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EDL Tommy Robinson on Asian Network today, LINK, FULL; indian sikh wants to join!
Topic Started: Jan 21 2010, 11:35 PM (790 Views)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00q2qkk/Nihal_21_01_2010/

Around 10 minutes in he comes on I think, i'm on 18 minutes so I can't tell you the exact time but I think it's around 10 minutes.

On 18 minutes, he's just spoken to Tommy and now all the public are phoning in, he's about to speak to some muslim mohammed (we all know what he'll say) but the presenter Nihal read out a text from "PJ Singh" from Coventry and he said something like, what's wrong with standing up for this countries traditions, I am proud to be english and have indian roots and I will happily join.

f**kING BRILLIANT LADS

THE SIKHS ARE OUR FRIENDS.


Watch this space, i'll update this post every now and then to mention important posts.

1st caller - Mohammed from some muslim organisation - he labelled tommy as an "extremist" and "the same type as choudary," what an idiot.....

Goes on to say the EDL are generally against all muslims, bollocks. Interesting debate.

2 more indians that agree with what we're doing and think we're right to stick up for our country and culture.

1 muslims came on just now and talked absolute bollocks, he said the EDL went round with fenceposts in brum on sept 5th and chased kids bla bla bla and just basically said a load of rubbish like muslims are doing enough to combat islamic extremism and the mosques are doing enough and he couldn't agree with anything tommy said, so hes a moderate muslim, this is exactly why the whole muslim community poses a threat to britain in my point of view, and remember my views are not necessarily representative of all yours but I as proudenglishlondoner do feel that the general muslim colonisation and islamification of this country is the main threat, because this brings multiple threats with it.

Sikh from Wolverhampton said he'd gladly join the EDL, that's the 4th indian that's said they're supportive/they would join the EDL.

5th Indian/Sikh says he has nothing against muslims but completely agrees with Tommy and says islamification is a problem.

Stephen in Cornwall says you should have "love for all people" (UAF soap dodger blatantly) and wouldn't join EDL and they will turn into an extreme organisation.

Texts: Several comments from muslims, obviously all anti-EDL, they are a "very racist organisation" bla bla f**king bla. A sikh called Anita said she would join the EDL, that's the 6th sikh to say they'd join/they support what we're doing.

That's it now. Go to the link and listen to it though, it's interesting to hear what some of these people have to say, like us or not, we are the EDL and enough is enough.
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Well done Tommy.

There was only one muslim who really tried to attack the EDL . Loved the NF supporter who popped up as well , what a f**king Prick.

Overall it was Good PR. Made sure the point got over that we dont Like the NF- types etc and we are not Racists. Try to avoid the Christian stuff, lessens the general appeal and gives something which people can pick at in arguements.
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well i think that went well, good job tommy
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weldone done tommy did well m8

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what the hell was that guy talking about saying in birmingham in september we were running through shopping centres ripping up fence posts and attacking asian kids with them we only went from broad street to bennets hill then on to the buses we went no where near any shopping centres tommy should have called him on that
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Thanks for the link PEL, I enjoyed that, well done Tommy "again".

The musics making me want a curry.
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This was a brilliant interview

Well done mate

I like how the host defended the EDL to that Muhammad bloke
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Well done Tommy.

There was only one muslim who really tried to attack the EDL . Loved the NF supporter who popped up as well , what a f**king Prick.

Overall it was Good PR. Made sure the point got over that we dont Like the NF- types etc and we are not Racists. Try to avoid the Christian stuff, lessens the general appeal and gives something which people can pick at in arguements.
The so called NF supporter who you have no evidence of being an NF supporter was me, I am not an NF suporter but if read some of their policies I would more than likely sympathise with some, but havbe not entertained them due to them being Unionists.

Be carefull of slanderous libal acusations please, it will not help your cause.

I note that I was cut off and dissmissed by both Tommy Robinson and Nihal who both found my point an uncomfortable truth and didn't know how to handle it, it seems.
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some really awful music, but atleast they're not showing hostility towards Tommy, Nihal seems like a fair guy. I hope he isn't against us himself.
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ingy why do you even come on here you clearly think that only white people can be english which is against the beliefs of just about everyone on here....do you come on here to try and make new members think that we are racist ? why dont you try stormfront from now on im sure you would have more in common with them than you would with us... Also in your opinion what constitutes being english ?
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It is indeed ridiculous to bring that into this.

England, is a country. We who were born in England are English, regardless of our parent's birth place. You may carry the blood of your parent's nation, but you're born, you grow up surrounded by the blood of the English. They integrate into our society, they've brung their cultures to our culture and there's rarely any conflict.

But radical Muslims are making our government make radical changes so it doesn't offend the minority.
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Not that c**t ingy again!!!!!
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I don't want to get involved in this. In fact I don't know why I am, and I was writing a brief post last night but thought why am I doing this and deleted it.

In 1 way Ingy is correct about Englishness. Like if your chinese and born in China than live here and become fully-integrated etc, fair enough, and if you call yourself English even, fair enough, but of course your not, your chinese, naturally, cos you were born there.

If your of two ancestries like your dad is jamaican and your mum is french, but your born in britain, you can then grow up and class yourself as british as you were born here, or even call yourself english but your really half french/half jamaican.

For some reason, I don't know why it is and i've seen the same argument on youtube, but the whole english/british thing is strange. To be English, it seems you have to be white, born here and have english or british heritage, like Tommy who's the son of Irish immigrants, I think he classes himself as English, fair enough....

But when it comes to the census, you never do get "asian english" or "black english" it's "british asian" and "black british," now I think if your family are pakistani or if your family are jamaican and you were born here and they've been living here for 3+ generations, I think you can class yourself as English, unlike a 1st generation immigrant.

However, it does remain to me the fact that, if your true English, you have English ancestry, like your ancestors descended from the Anglo-saxons, the Vikings, the Normans, the Angles, the Jutes or the Celts, these groups that settled here many thousands of years ago, the vikings from scandinavia, more viking ancestry found up north and the anglo-saxons from north-west germany, more found down south but all over the country and there's the celts (not great on my history) that I think were a kind of indigenous tribe to the UK, found in the south-west, Wales, Scotland I think and Ireland, all these tribes and groups, who were white in skin colour of course, they make up what English people are, the indigenous English person, the indigenous Brit.

Unlike Bonnie Greer, that african american who quite franky makes me angry as she's a black american running the "british museum," (and the black doesnt play the main part its the yank in her, it's the BRITISH museum for f**k sake but cos shes black we heard her false rubbish on Question time she is an afro-centrist she likes to claim everything successful that white europeans and asians have done and use the "well your all from my african people" bollocks) but these tribes are what makes up an indigenous brit. I know i'm indigenous English, my ancestors have been here from AT LEAST 1750 (how far back my Dad has researched our family tree, but probably way before 1750 but there's no info for before then) and they were from hampshire, most of them, anglo-saxons I think, I had some relatives from up north though, sheffield, moved to Birkenhead, then back to Lincolnshire, working down the pits in yorkshire, that was another part of the family.

I'm waffling on, but from my point of view, as long as you were born here, can speak English and are made up of BRITISH (scottish, irish or welsh) ancestry, you CAN call yourself English, if your 3rd generation+ black or asian, you can call yourself English, but if your true english you would have english ancestry.

It's a complex subject and people have different views, I agree with some of what Ingy says and some of what people that are opposing him say.

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what do you have to say about abdul then Ingy?
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So I'm not English? I was born in Canada to a Canadian mother, and English father...
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Abdul is British, not English I'd say. He's from Scotland for a start.

Yes, theenglishmandylan, your english son, you have english in you, the ancestry, regardless of being born in canada.
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yeah, interesting debate. Nihal seems great too. :)
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listening now tommy is doing a good job and nihal comes acroos a unbiased presenter
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Nihal presented that well, he wasn't biased at all, questioned Tommy, but never patronised or tried to make him small.

He gave Tommy the time to discuss the organisations stance in the world, and stopped people from talking over him when he was answering or talking.

Glad Tommy's the guy doing the talks and everything, he gets his points out. He speaks to people with respect, and he can answer the questions instantly.

Glad we've had support from the Sikh community, let's hope tomorrow's march is a good day for all!
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Wkd interview,as usual "moderate" Muslims are against us,no surprise there but at least Sikhs n Hindu's blacks and whites are all for the EDL.
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yep great interview, tommys a good speaker.
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Ingy is fully entitled to believe what he wants to and he is fully entitled to phone in to radio stations and express that view. But this was EDLs chance to talk to the Asian community and put it's view across to them.
What Ingy did was to take precious radio time away from Tommy and I find that disappointing.

You could have supported us Ingy mate, we don't get many chances like this to put EDLs viewpoint.

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End of the day, ingy may well be right to a certain extent but its f**king pointless and trivial. If ya born in this country, it dont matter where your parents are from. If you wanna be english then happy f**king days. End of. It's s**t like this that will cause problems to us. No one at all can claim 100% english end of.

Let Ingy continue spouting all this crap. No doubt the interlectual will come back with some crap.

Im half argie n jock n born in the east end. Yep and in my opinion as english as you ingy or any c**t on here. Lets just end this pointless thread mate.
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The so called NF supporter who you have no evidence of being an NF supporter was me, I am not an NF suporter but if read some of their policies I would more than likely sympathise with some, but havbe not entertained them due to them being Unionists.

Be carefull of slanderous libal acusations please, it will not help your cause.

I note that I was cut off and dissmissed by both Tommy Robinson and Nihal who both found my point an uncomfortable truth and didn't know how to handle it, it seems.


You disagree with the NF because there UNIONISTS not because they are racist lunatics?

The point you raised was the "English" was a racial Identity, which is wrong and is not a Cultural Identity. You said that none-whites who are born and bred in this country, who regard themselves English, are not. Thats stupid attitude to take and tbh I believe this Attitude you have not no better than some NF bootboy.

No wonder both Tommy and N, felt uncomfortable and angry at what you were saying.

Your a counter productive idiot, not a realist or a Patriot. A idiot and I dont think your welcome on this forum with your opinions.

I say we boot this Prick, anyone agree with me?
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Excellent interview and can't but help boost EDL support! :D

@ D'n'B! Have you not got a bigger pic I can't see that one! :'(
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Very interesting radio show.

Personally, I think it's great that anybody can join, England is now a diverse country, and if you feel english, who the hell are we to tell you you're not, especially if you're born here?

Me personally, I love being able to listen to english, music, or asian music, or jamaican music. Eat english food, asian food, jamaican food. Live with different groups of people, of all cultures, as long as they arn't against the english way, or don't try and enforce religious or other laws upon us. Sounds like a dream world, really.

But, if this country had played immigration correctly, it could have so easily worked. Instead, they have let too many people in, allowed muslims to segregate themselves in their own ghetto areas, and cause a division between the two. That isn't multicultural.

But, that's the aim of the edl, is it not? Force a rising against islamic extremism and islamic segregation to sort this country out good and proper.

Tommy Robinson is a great chap, he puts his points across very well. Fair play to him.

One thing Tommy you should have said (if you're reading), is that the BNP would kick you out if they were in power wouldn't they? Forgive me if I got this wrong, but I'm pretty sure Irish isn't english, or even British,
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why is there an asian network , another example of non integration , do they neeed their seperate station???? wheres the english network or is that racist
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i thought Nihal handle the interview very well, he's a bright man and listened well to Tommy's opion on things and i thought, found himself agreeing with Tommys point of view . EDL no surrender
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why is there an asian network , another example of non integration , do they neeed their seperate station???? wheres the english network or is that racist
The whole of the BBC is an english network, except for a few minority stations. Nothing wrong with that, they have classical music based stations, why not asian music channels?
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avfc is right.
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I like one of the text where it says if you want to see bravery come to Coventry, EDL are a joke.
Well i'm from Coventry myself and i support the EDL.
This guy obviously thinks Foleshill people represent all of Coventry.
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Well done Tommy :)

a pat on the back :)
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f**k invisable borders, this is just a tiny island, that once had an empire that streached 3/4 of the world, but just to have this green and plesant land back would be nice, you ither intergrate, or you f**k off, the time is coming when you make up your mind.
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Why is the Asian network called the Asian network? I don't listen to it, but after having a look at the BBC page I notice a lack of any Chinease, Japanese, Korean etc... sections. I thought Asian meant somebody from Asia. Clearly the BBC think it now means people from places like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh only. This is also evident on their news reports.
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I liked the music.

Presenter was good.

Tommy did ok.

Sikhs supporting EDL was the best bit.
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Listened a bit longer now. I take it all back...

About the music anyway.

1hr 10 mins has to be some of the worst music I have ever heard. Its the time tooooo Disco!!! Lol
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Jan 22 2010, 12:59 PM
ingy why do you even come on here you clearly think that only white people can be english which is against the beliefs of just about everyone on here....do you come on here to try and make new members think that we are racist ? why dont you try stormfront from now on im sure you would have more in common with them than you would with us... Also in your opinion what constitutes being english ?
I come on here to appeal to your decent inteligent common sense minds concerning the identity issue, that's all, I am not here to discredit your decent hard and successfull work which is actually applauded by me and cannot ever be taken away from you.

If you believe that being white which is part of the English ethnicity make up could some how have you dememd as being racist? then I presume you deem the Irish ethnicity as being racist? the Scottish ethnicity as being racist? the Welsh ethnicity as being racist? the Swedish ethnicity as being racist? the Russian ethnicity as being racist?

What about black identities? do you think that you have to be black to be a Zulu? Do you have to be black to be a Jamaican? of course you do as it is part of their ethnic make up... do you think some will deem their iodneity as being some how racist for having to be black to be of their ethnicity? becasue I don't and it is also not racist to ackowledge that part of the English ethnicity is to be white.

Where most of you are going wrong is that you are not acknowledging that yes the non-English can become anglicised willingly taking on a civc English role in an English society, I am completely fine with this, but they have not suddenly become of the English ethnic group, and ask them what their ethnicity is and they would not and cannot answer with 'English' as their ethnicity would not be English, just ask the likes of Ian Wright even, they will tell you.

Then there is the English national identity which any one can take on as it is a flimsly interchangable fake identity really as tomorrow, myself of English ethnicity, could move to China and call myself a Chinese national, ansd the next week move to Zululand and call myself a Zulu national, the next week I could then move to India and call myaself an Indian National, and the next wekk I could then move to DScvotland and call myself a Scottish national.... ya see, within just one month I can be Chinese, Zulu, Indian and Scottish! Would any of you deem ne as changing into all these different identities seriously? and would my English ethnicity change? No of ocurse not I was born of Englosh parents so would be of the ethnic Englosh group no matter where I was born or lived, the same goes for a Polishman or have they all now become English due to living and working here? if you think so please go and tell them this and see what answer they give you.

Your main issue that is a big concern for many English, is that you are using the name 'ENGLISH' for your organisation which then obviously suggests that you are 'ENGLISH', this is where a lot of your racsit acusations will come from, and whilst you then proffess that you a\re not actually just the English oir you proffess that any one and every one can join becasuse any one and every one can be English then you miss-represent the Englosh identity, again this will lose you support and being you problems, so to avoid this you could easy cahgne your name to the 'ENGLAND Defence League' maybe? as this does not suggest that you are 'ENGLISH' which brings you many problems,
but you would be sugesting a defence of 'ENGLAND' the country, the plot of land, and any one can defend it if they want to, as you are not suggesting that they are all English.

Am I getting any where? any points any one would like to make?



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FFS Here we go again! :'(

From the f'ing dictionary! ENGLISH

–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of England or its inhabitants, institutions, etc.

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3. the people of England collectively, esp. as distinguished from the Scots, Welsh, and Irish.

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Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM
It is indeed ridiculous to bring that into this.

England, is a country. We who were born in England are English, regardless of our parent's birth place.
That contradicts itself.... firsty you seem to state that being born in England makes you English, then you state it does not matter where your parents were born?
so if your parents were born in England this does not make them English yes? as they may have a different ethnicity to English yes?

It does not matter where any one was born, if an Indian Elephant was born in Chester Zoo would this make it an English Elephant?
If an Englishman was born at sea would that make him a fish?
If a Trinidadian was born on the moon would this make him an alien?

If I was of English parents born in Zululand this would not make me a Zulu would it?

If a Zulu of Zulu parents was born in England this would not make them English, just because they were born here...they would still be Zulu wouldn't they? or are you saying that you would attempt to cleans this Zulu of his ethnicity? your not into ethnic identity cleansing are you? what about this Zulu's ancestry? long shared culture? history etc etc ? are youy wanting to cleans him of all of this?
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English is not a racial but a Cultural identity. If you come to this country , adopt all its customs and culture, you have become part of the "English" national cultural identity.

To regard "Englishness" as a racial thing, in which nobody can fully join, is prehistoric.

The idea that ethnicity should be their to divide,seperate and distingush us is stupid, It doesnt come down to the colour of your skin to make you a Good british patriot but what you believe and hold pride in.


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If a Zulu of Zulu parents was born in England this would not make them English, just because they were born here...
I think this is the core of the racism that the EDL attracts. Nationaility and ethnicity are 2 different things. If your view is widespread, that only white people can be english, then the EDL is not open to all
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what do you have to say about abdul then Ingy?
For Abdul to support you he must have clearly become anglicsed willingly to an extent, which is fine, or does he have his own agenda simply against Muslims from his religious viewpoint? i.e. Sihks generally tend to dislike Muslims, Hindu's generally tend to dislike Muslims etc etc they all have strong beleifs of not marrying outsdie of their religions etc Religious hatred maybe? (This is all based on presuming he is a non-Muslim, of course)

Ask Abdul what his ethnicity is?
ask him about his ancestry?
ask him about his culture?

Put is identity in trial... just how you are putting the English identity on trial on here?

Do you know how hard, insulting, disgracefull and sinister it is having to justify my own identity to my own people? who claim to be from an 'English' protest group in my own country - England ??? Have a really good think about what you are all doing here.
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Go and make your own forum and annoy everyone else!

Your agenda is very different to everyone on here.
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If a Zulu of Zulu parents was born in England this would not make them English, just because they were born here...
I think this is the core of the racism that the EDL attracts. Nationaility and ethnicity are 2 different things. If your view is widespread, that only white people can be english, then the EDL is not open to all
Ingy's views are his own. He is 'not' an EDL member although he does support our cause. The EDL accepts anyone who wants to defend England, regardless of whether even they define themselves as English or not.
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the whole english/british thing is strange. To be English, it seems you have to be white, born here and have english or british heritage, like Tommy who's the son of Irish immigrants, I think he classes himself as English, fair enough....


It is only strange to our people because we have been cleansed so much... i.e the Brit state has never given us our true English history, culture and identity, but only to demonise us when they do acknowledge us of course.

No you cannot be English of you are simply white.... i.e. A person of Irish or Scottish, Welsh, Polish or Swedish ethnicity cannot be English... if you accept that they can, then you must accpet that myself of English parents/ethnicity can some how be Polish for being born there? or Eskimo for being born in Greenland? You know as well as me that the Polsih and Eskimo's would not accpet me as one of theirs, I would be deemed of immigrant ancestry, and they would be right and I would accept this without resistance as I would acknowledge that they love and cherish their identity so much that they will not and should not ever give it away to any one and every one to enable it to be waterd down into a multi-ethnic identity, diluting it into a mish-mash of nothingness, losing their unique identity etc Myslef would not want to be responsible for pushing that onto any people... yet here are quite a few on here pushing this onto the English identity?
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Ingy I'm trying desperately hard to keep a lid on my more passionate and "robust" posts on this forum but....

Piss off will you? Your more of a hinderance than a help obviously.
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So I'm not English? I was born in Canada to a Canadian mother, and English father...
You seem to be informing me that you are simply half English... I have no problem with any one who is half English, it is your unique identity and as you know I deem identities important, which includes my English identity.

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If a Zulu of Zulu parents was born in England this would not make them English, just because they were born here...
I think this is the core of the racism that the EDL attracts. Nationaility and ethnicity are 2 different things. If your view is widespread, that only white people can be english, then the EDL is not open to all
Ingy's views are his own. He is 'not' an EDL member although he does support our cause. The EDL accepts anyone who wants to defend England, regardless of whether even they define themselves as English or not.
The thing is I think it's a widespread view that "english" means white and ethnic minorites born here are "British". We should be called the "England" Defence league to avoid confusion
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Ingy
Jan 24 2010, 01:13 PM
If a Zulu of Zulu parents was born in England this would not make them English, just because they were born here...
I think this is the core of the racism that the EDL attracts. Nationaility and ethnicity are 2 different things. If your view is widespread, that only white people can be english, then the EDL is not open to all
Ingy's views are his own. He is 'not' an EDL member although he does support our cause. The EDL accepts anyone who wants to defend England, regardless of whether even they define themselves as English or not.
The thing is I think it's a widespread view that "english" means white and ethnic minorites born here are "British". We should be called the "England" Defence league to avoid confusion
Because that reads really well doesn't it! Stop being another Ingy and worrying about the word "English". 2 billion people around the world can speak English, but it doesn't mean they are English. Stop focussing on the word, as Ingy does, and remember why we're here! Most 'ethnics' in England, from my own experience, classify themselves as 'British', not 'English'. It's not a biggy, compared to the threat facing the country we all love.
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