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EDL Tommy Robinson on BBC Asian Network Radio Station
Topic Started: Jan 21 2010, 03:57 PM (629 Views)
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Jan 21 2010, 09:52 PM
I am an English Nationalist. Colour of skin and religion do not matter with regards NATIONAL identity. Along with the Irish,Scottish and Welsh WE are the TRUE BRITISH (a word and identity I have truly come to hate and detest over tha last 20 years). But I think Ingy has a good point about ethnicity.Multi-culture is the root cause of ALL the problems in OUR country and this multi-culture needs to be destroyed totally. I can understand people coming to this country retaining 'their' cultural identity for their lifetime but their children need to be 100% English. If immigrants are not willing to take on the identity of their adoptive country then they should loose the right to live there. Someone like Tommy Robinson is obviously English. My mate Sanjay (Hindu) has just returned from a year of travelling in China and he travelled as an Englishman. Born here,loves it and proud to be English. I can see your point Ingy but surely being English is a cultural thing. His parents are Indian but he is not,either in heart or soul. The only good thing about this multi-cultural hovel is that it is waking up a 300 year dormant nationalism in the English people which I sincerely hope ends up annihilating it. England for the English.
Hi I am a newbie on here and totally agree with you I find it a relief that so many people are thinking on the same lines. I am personally against multiculturalism especially at the rate its happening in this country. Skin colour and race doesn’t matter to me, if immigrants are prepared to come over here and work hard and be a part of British culture and the number of immigrants is regulated then that’s fair enough.
I can’t work out why people would come over here for a better life and then the carry on the same as they always have, demanding their existing ways regardless of any cost and disrespect to the native culture, if they are going to do that they might as well continue living where that culture exists! (unless there are any other motives).
There are a lot of different cultures and religions all over the world, which have over the years have developed us all as individuals, the point being some countries have progressed more than others and some are just too different to mix with other cultures. We now have all the ingredients for riots and a possibly a civil war in this country as you now have the world’s problems on one small Island and if it carries on we will be too weak to do anything about it.

If I chose to emigrate it would be to a country with a culture I like I wouldn’t go to one I disagreed with and then try and convert everyone! If all countries go multicultural everyone loses their freedom of choice because everywhere will be the same.


Probably a load of waffle but I think I know what I mean!

(Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it)
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I can't see why there is any confusion about this issue at all.
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Driftwood
Jan 21 2010, 10:09 PM
Probably a load of waffle but I think I know what I mean!
Not waffle at all mate. Well said!
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BALDYMONSTER
Jan 21 2010, 10:42 PM
I can't see why there is any confusion about this issue at all.
It's only coz Ingy's got tunnel vision. Seems he'd rather have the country destroyed than give up his beloved identity. I just hope there aren't too many more tits like him. I understand his underlying point about 'ethnicity', but he just hasn't got any way of expressing it without p*ssing everybody else off! He should stick to caling himself 'Englisc' - in the old language - and not worry about others calling themselves 'English'!
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Jan 21 2010, 08:13 PM
Any English Asian, English African etc member on the forum?
im an english fijian. does that count? born and bred here, my dad was a fijian in the british army. my mum english. i was born and bred here , i call myself english and regard myself as english. tough s**t anyone who thinks im not. im lucky though at least the fijian flag has the union jack on.
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Jan 21 2010, 10:57 PM
shadowbound
Jan 21 2010, 08:13 PM
Any English Asian, English African etc member on the forum?
im an english fijian. does that count?
Got to be close enough mate! :D

You're here - and that's all that matters!
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read this read late but I'd just like to add...

...f**k it, I cannot be bothered with questions like this. Most of you have said what need to be said about this topic. Englishness is both inherited and adopted. It wouldnt matter if every bloody member on this forum was of Indian decent, as long as you regard yourself as English or British, It doesnt Matter what skin colour you have, or if you have Two Heads, 12 toes or love Black pudding.

What matters is what you believe and take pride in.
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f**k me you lot can s**t some, bottom line. . defend england remember england take a good long look out the window because if edl doesn't wake up the country in 50 years it will be englandstan. Thats if russia dont sell these pricks a nuke first then it will probably resemble saudi arabia and really make them feel at home .
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Jan 21 2010, 08:37 PM
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Jan 21 2010, 08:29 PM
I think that borders just divide people, and thus need to be abolished so we can live in an internationalist world, where people are free from being labled from a certain country or culture.
:'( Have you been sniffing drugs? :D :D
Just pulling your leg. B-)
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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Ingy can now suck my fat hairy cock! hows that for an intellectual argument???


yes i had a beer more than one actually more like 5 fosters 3 guiness and two boddies so yes i had a drink but no i am not drunk just think ingy is an ill educated moronic troll so if he wants too callenge me he can
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I am English, real English, with a mother from Somerset and a Geordie father, I have light brown hair and beautiful green eyes and a face that is probably among the most handsome in the country (irrelevant but true and I just wanted to say it).

I have four children from four different mothers, American, French, German and Czech.......but according to you my children should not be permitted to fight for England.....laughable !

Now this is the way it stands......

EDL stands for English Defence League, consequently anyone who wishes of their own volition to assist in the defence of England and the English can join and stand as a brother or sister.....whether they are black, blue, Martian, pink or a yellow subsea creature.

We are not supremacisits or exclusivists as a people but rather sharers of our values and beliefs. There are plenty of people in other nations that like and respect the entity that is England and for many different reasons, a quick example would be the Gurkhas. According to your strange logic if a bunch of Gurkhas wished to join our battle we should turn them away for not being "English"......

.......again laughable !!!!

If you had been running the RAF during Battle of Britain you doubtless would have told the Polish and Czech volunteers to go back home I suppose, which would have been rather a waste as the top scoring pilot turned out to be Czech.


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Jan 21 2010, 07:11 PM
Ingy, don't start this pointless thread up again. If we want to argue over who is or who is not English, then we can go over to one of the 'ethnic' English sites - but this ain't the time and this ain't the place. Wait until the war is won, then argue to your hearts content - but get your priorities straight. In simple terms, if there ain't no England, there won't be no English, ethnic or not. Get your f*cking arse in gear and stand with anyone who wants to protect the England we all love. It's going to look pretty pathetic if 'your' group of ethnic English sit back and let those who aren't bothered, either way, do all the f*cking work!

EDL - No Surrender
I am here again because I do not believe that no one gets it... I think most do but it is an unconfortable truth and there is too much testosterone for any one to admit that this is a genuine issue.

My ethnicity is English, I am proud if this and it is my duty to defend and protect my identity... the EDL are calling themselves 'ENGLISH' it is in your name title, this sugests that you are an English organisation, yet many are clearly not English even its creator, now my issue does not mean I hate any one, it merely means that I have great concerns with you using my namesake, my identity - 'English' which is a miss-representation going on the evidence I read and hear.

If I was born of English parents in Scotland and set up a Scottish organisation in favour of Scottish Protastants aimed at defending from Catholics and called it the 'SCOTTISH Protestant Defence League' do you think when the Scottish find out that I am actually of English ethnicity that they will not see this as a little false/farcical? i.e. I am using the Scottish identity for something quite contriversual and am not even Scottish ?

Do you also deny an Englishman protecting his identity?

If there wasn't an England yes the English will still exist, you can take the country away but the people will still exist.

I do get my arse in gear hugely for the English cause but I won;t bang on about what Ive done as this would just be seen as boasting as many already on here have taken that the wrong way when I was pushed to explain all I have done before.

Myself and many many other ethnic English nationalists do plenty and have been doing plenty for years longer than the EDL, but I am not here to debate who has done what, I am here to defend my identity as I have a duty to.
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Jan 21 2010, 04:06 PM

now I was born in a country not far away from england called germany[/quote]Now according to the EDL view your identity is based on where you were born....so the EDL would regard you as German!

Any views any one?
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Dude


At one point even your family came from France or Germany or Scandinavia etc.


At the end of the day the leader of this organisation is doing 100 times more than you are to protect this countrys identity.

If you dont agree with how its run, you are free to leave by any means.
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Jan 21 2010, 06:56 PM
Anyone who considers thereselves English regardless of where their parents/grand parents etc are from and are against Islaic extremism are welcome into the EDL,this aint about some master race s**t or whatever.
Everyone else regardless of where they decend from originally just want to get on in this country but the Islamists are looking to take over our country,thats our country,all of us white black indian or any other nationality joined together in unity.
We have always been a tolerant nation n invited others here for a better lifejust dont take the piss,but as we all know the jihadists have taken the piss with our good nature so a group like the EDL was inevitable.
A bit of diversity is good in my opinion but when a race/religion/creed etc want to collonise us then we must all stand together as England regardless of where we all may come from originally.
Who sugested anything about a master race?

If any one is welcome into the ENGLISH Defence League are you sugesting they are English?

No every one else in our country apart from Muslim Extremists do not want to get on, in fact a recent Report shown that it was the English who have suffered the most racial attacks in England, you are living in a liberal, cloud cuckoo, lieying media brainwashed, rose tinted world.


So this country England belongs to Indians then does it?
Would you say that India does not belong to the Indians?
Does China not belong to the Chinese?
Does Norway not belong to the Norwegions?

Does England not belong to the English?
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Well then those are your personal beliefs

This is a group of people that want to stamp out the threat of muslim extremists
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Indy what exactly is your agenda here? Can you please elaborate further on your argument?
Firstly, your points are virtually all irrelevant, and in reality not too sophisticated by any means.

I'm not going to bother writing an unnecessary essay on this topic, however, I will contribute some simple facts for your intellect to grasp.

Firstly, people presumable came to England for a better life for themselves, and possibly their children, therefore, what is your problem with people supporting the country that helped make a better life?

I support a little known football team named Birmingham City FC. I can guarantee you that a good percentage of the fans' parents were from many different countries on this planet originally; however, they are 100% behind Birmingham and the England football team too, why? Because they love this country. What exactly would you say to these people?
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Jan 21 2010, 07:03 PM
Why would anyone want to "cleanse them of their roots"?
Obviously they wld be proud of their roots but that dont mean theyre not also proud of being English aswell.[/quote]So if some one says I acknowledge and am proud of my ethnic origins Zulu roots and I am also proud of being English (because he was presumably born here or lives here) do these sound like wrods of an Englishman?

What true Englishman walks around stating they are proud of their Zulu roots, or Indian roots, or Turkish roots, or Scottish roots, or African roots ??????

This doesn't sound very English does it?

Can you not see how this notion is a nonsense?
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Mate I see your point to some extreme. We can sit here all night and argue the fact. i got mates born in South Africe/Rhodesia of British descent and they are proud as f**k to be from Rhodesia and SA first, but also respect their British roots. Same as a Black man or Indian over here. Your British first and jamaican/Pakistanian second. This is my humble opinion and im sure everyone on here got their own.

End of the day, who gives a f**k. EDL/SDL or whatever faction is for people born in this country or even those who have intergrated into this country (as me dad has for the past 40 odd years) and wants to stand up for this country against the rise of extreme islam. f**k all the poncy clever s**t. It dont matter what colour, what religeon, what political allegiance. Thats it end of. Again in my humble opinion lol [/quote]I think you are trying to tell me here that peo0le arre proud of their idneities and identities are important.... I realsie this too which is why I am protecting my Englosh identity... the EDL seem to be OK mwith all non-English people being proud of their identity but not an Englishman??????

You are now also talking about 'British' is it the 'British Defence League' ? You would be better off with this label, but you state you want to distance yourself from the BNP which is odd as I always see Union Jacks at your Demo's?

I have nothing against any one being born in this country or becoming anglicised willingly, but I do taker issue with English identity feft/impersonating an Englishman, as I am not prepared to give my identity away so freely and neither should any other self respecting Englishman or women and if they had any respect, pride and love of their English identity they wouldn't give it away so easy.

But it sounds to me going on the evidence on here that many of the EDL are immigrants to England, be them 1st 2nd or 3rd generation etc which is fine I have nothing against their immigrant identity but am deeply offended when they use my idneity as a cover and miss-represent it.

If you were called the 'ENGLAND Defence League' this would not suggest you are all English, it merely suggests you are defending 'England' the country, a plot of land, it would be OK for you to do this, this is not identity feft of my English identity.
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Ingy,,,,are you trying to say because the defence league is a spread of countries that our parents or we are from ,then in your opinion it should be named Englands Defence League
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do you know what you are ingy ? . . . Your a f**king racist .
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It is quite a simple conclusion to this argument in reality. Just look up the English race via many decent history books in the Library, or on the net. This should clarify your questions with the answers you're looking for.

Many people here, whether they're 200 generation, or 2 generation, have the same zeal for this land, it's values and customs' we all helped build. This is what we are trying to protect, not some extreme Islamic ideology, which is in principle, everything England does not stand for.
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I,m bored reading this and I,m only half way down.

So from the bottom of my second generation irish catholic but wholly patriotic ENGLISH soul i would like to say f**k off Ingy you boring c**t. Are you some lefty troll looking for soundbites.

Go away you tosser.
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Jan 22 2010, 11:20 AM
I,m bored reading this and I,m only half way down.

So from the bottom of my second generation irish catholic but wholly patriotic ENGLISH soul i would like to say f**k off Ingy you boring c**t. Are you some lefty troll looking for soundbites.

Go away you tosser.
:D I suspect he's a UAF type writing an essay for the 'University of f**kwits' :D
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Ingy when I first read your original post I just thought you were someone just putting over your own views and asking for a debate on them. After reading further posts from you I now believe as others do that you are in fact a troll who's main objective is to wind people up. Your answer to your original post can be found in the dictionary. I have posted it before but I will do so again:

ENGLISH (From the dictionary)

–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of England or its inhabitants, institutions, etc.

–noun
3. the people of England collectively, esp. as distinguished from the Scots, Welsh, and Irish.
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Jan 21 2010, 08:29 PM
I think that borders just divide people, and thus need to be abolished so we can live in an internationalist world, where people are free from being labled from a certain country or culture.
This is what those ultra-lefties want.
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Nationality is primarily taken from where you are born. But you can take the nationality of a country that you live in especially if you identify with it's culture, ethics and lifestyle. Some of the greatest Englishmen were born foreigners but became ardent English nationals. For instance the actor Leslie Howard came from Hungary. He was one of only a few actors who didn't flee to the US at the outbreak of WW2, but continued to make patriotic films and fly as a pilot for the RAF. He lost his life for this country and you can see quite clearly his love for Britain in his films.

So he is hungarian by birth and descent but English by choice.

What ingy is doing and I suspect he is either a tranzie or a post-communist marxist-hegelian communitarian, is to try and sew doubt about our loyalties and how we identify with the nation state. It's the stated aim of Tranzies and communitarians (who are marxist collectivists in reality), to destroy the nation state and national identity for the greater glory of the Socialist Order they are trying to bring about.

Being English is a choice but it's not irrelevant.
Edited by ignominius, Jan 22 2010, 12:38 PM.
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If a Bloke born in baghdad all his family is from Baghdad but he wants to be English elopes to England and sits with me in the worst pub (may be edited due to sponsorship deal or share purchasing) in England, Stand up for England and protests against extremist Islam and call himself English then in my eyes English he is. If we changed the name to women's feckin knickers the message and recruitment would still be the same he could still join accept I wouldn't have wasted 5 minutes typing out a response to the most pointless argument on this site.
Also how much better was the name Marathon compared to Snickers and much difference does it make
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Ingy, to be honest I think your on a f**king wind up just trying to piss people off or alienate them, or some bloke whos been university, read a few books and thinks his misguided opinion is right. You can sit there mate and believe you can only be english if ya can trace your roots back to f**king King Harold or suming.

I thnk evryone on here see's the EDL as not an exclusive club only open to those with 100% english blood, but those people brought up in this country,or those people wo have been living here for years.

I don't actually see your point or what your problem is to be honest.
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Tommy needs to learn a bit about reality. An english guy questioned him on the definition of english, Tommy claims that if your born in England you automatically become english, which of course is nonsense. Tommy says he also "goes out of his way to denounce the BNP" "He hates the BNP" , Obviously its a wise move to distance the edl from bnp and vise versa but you guys need to concentrate on 1 thing only - OPPOSE ISLAMIC EXTREMISM"

Peace :D

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