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Understanding UAF; WHY?
Topic Started: Jan 19 2010, 11:00 AM (243 Views)
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http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/01/444870.html?c=on#c241055

Can somebody help me with this I'm sure this has been covered but I don't understand. Why do people turn up to support the UAF?

This whole article seems to be a statement of what they believe in but has no tangable links to the EDL apart from the 1st paragraph "a group of racist football hooligans with links to the fascist BNP" Now personnaly I have no real reasons to protest against football hooligans I cannot remember a single newspaper headline where football fans have been violent to anyone other than football fans.

The other part of this statement "links with the BNP" now If a group of doctors set up a league against NHS reform I would be able to make links with the BNP would the UAF march against them.

Later on it does say "Today they threaten the mosque, tomorrow it could be a synagogue, temple or church. Today they threaten Muslims, tomorrow it could be Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, blacks, gays, travellers or any other minority" Is that not the same as saying we should protest against students as one day they could threaten everyone by joining the communist party.

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No one will ever understand the UAF i'm a afraid. There like a different breed of human kind.

They make things up and they know its bullshit but they actually believe it. As far as im concerned anyone who goes to UAF protests are mentally ill. If theyve got a problem then fair enough but going around being violent little thugs is going to get them know where, and also there cracks are showing everyday, people aren't dumb enough to believe it anymore.
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I think it's quite simple a bunch of social misfits and an influx of upper middle class students trying to be rebellious looking for something to belong to and feel a bit "hard". The smelly branch of the UAF are total misfits and this gives them something to all get together with and have purpose, the simple facts as outlined in the first post shows how ridiculous they are. They protest against one thing but not another of the same ilk as its just not as trendy or valid, this and the fact they don't look any deeper into it.

Also don't forget it's the only chance they have of getting a shag as nobody else from society is going to want to touch them. I love the hard man talk they come out with especially about how we are going to get smashed etc. "if it wasn't for the police you would be dead", seriously look at them they know they would not stand a chance.
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Jan 19 2010, 11:00 AM
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/01/444870.html?c=on#c241055

Can somebody help me with this I'm sure this has been covered but I don't understand. Why do people turn up to support the UAF?

This whole article seems to be a statement of what they believe in but has no tangable links to the EDL apart from the 1st paragraph "a group of racist football hooligans with links to the fascist BNP" Now personnaly I have no real reasons to protest against football hooligans I cannot remember a single newspaper headline where football fans have been violent to anyone other than football fans.

The other part of this statement "links with the BNP" now If a group of doctors set up a league against NHS reform I would be able to make links with the BNP would the UAF march against them.

Later on it does say "Today they threaten the mosque, tomorrow it could be a synagogue, temple or church. Today they threaten Muslims, tomorrow it could be Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, blacks, gays, travellers or any other minority" Is that not the same as saying we should protest against students as one day they could threaten everyone by joining the communist party.

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why would we be against Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, blacks, gays or anyone else? we welcome them all, as well as moderate muslims! it wouldn't make any sense if we turned on them.

the people who write on that website have serious problems
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"

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I don't suppose joining the UAF March would be much of a rebellion if Mum and Dad wanted to attend aswell maybe thats the UAF tactic. In that case having no credible facts to base the objection on would'nt matter. I wonder do UAF members get discount acid and weed, just a thought.
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I had never heard of them until we formed the EDL. We just had enough of our spineless government doing nothing, and figured "Who could possibly disagree". Then came the smelly social outcasts!

Bless their little hearts! Their arguments are so thin, like "Links to the BNP" that could mean anything!
We have just left them to it so far, and they have hung themselves time and time again with their futile arguments. I say leave them to it. They are getting smaller every time we meet and eventually they will disappear.
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I had heard of them. I went to their protest against Nick Griffin and David Irving in Oxford in 2006. Didn't realise what they were beforehand, but when I got there I saw it was just a whole bunch of communists, hiding under the anti-fascist tag. That's what they are really, folks who are trying to get communism mainstream by calling it anti-fascism, to the detriment of real anti-fascism.
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I attended a few Socialist group meetings, the aim of the UAF is to 'combat' fascism through counter-protest.

The idea of the UAF itself is great, British people uniting to fight an old enemy, that is fascism. But the UAF got hi-jacked by marxists, socialists, anarchists and communists. People turn to support the UAF because it's fighting racism, and its kind. The current generation of youth have grown up in an multi-cultrual society where the majority of us just get along.

The idea of being assiocated with Nazi's is not a good one, now is it? The students want a label to put themselves under, so they join the socialists, marxists, anarchists and communists, because it gives them a label, a fashionable label too. These people have a new way of promoting their political ideologies, like freedom fry said, they hide under the anti-fascist flag. When the UAF protest, the flags of their political ideas are flown high, they're photographed, and the pictures printed onto newspaper that gets nationwide and even internationally.

All you have to remember about these people and their far-left ideologies is that communism easily turns into a dictatorship. Remember the term 'Red fascist', this is what they called Stalin. A fascist in the far-left, so they called him a red-fascist.

And then about the UAF and anti-fascists, is the Winston Churchill quote 'The fascists in the future will be called the anti-fascists' or something along the lines of that.

Their tactics of countering fascism are fairly fascist themself.
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Jan 19 2010, 11:29 AM
I think it's quite simple a bunch of social misfits and an influx of upper middle class students trying to be rebellious looking for something to belong to and feel a bit "hard". The smelly branch of the UAF are total misfits and this gives them something to all get together with and have purpose, the simple facts as outlined in the first post shows how ridiculous they are. They protest against one thing but not another of the same ilk as its just not as trendy or valid, this and the fact they don't look any deeper into it.

Also don't forget it's the only chance they have of getting a shag as nobody else from society is going to want to touch them. I love the hard man talk they come out with especially about how we are going to get smashed etc. "if it wasn't for the police you would be dead", seriously look at them they know they would not stand a chance.
I agree, and all that ten men hard talk over the interent only makes me more hatefull towards them, cuz we all know that in a one on on fight if the O.B werent there to protect them they'd get dropped with the first 5 seconds
Proud - DAM RIGHT I'M PROUD

Racist - NO

Do I give a f**k about the opinion of lefty commie UAF troll wankers - DO I f**k
Will I fight them till I die - ALL THE WAY

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Jan 19 2010, 03:50 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 11:29 AM
I think it's quite simple a bunch of social misfits and an influx of upper middle class students trying to be rebellious looking for something to belong to and feel a bit "hard". The smelly branch of the UAF are total misfits and this gives them something to all get together with and have purpose, the simple facts as outlined in the first post shows how ridiculous they are. They protest against one thing but not another of the same ilk as its just not as trendy or valid, this and the fact they don't look any deeper into it.

Also don't forget it's the only chance they have of getting a shag as nobody else from society is going to want to touch them. I love the hard man talk they come out with especially about how we are going to get smashed etc. "if it wasn't for the police you would be dead", seriously look at them they know they would not stand a chance.
I agree, and all that ten men hard talk over the interent only makes me more hatefull towards them, cuz we all know that in a one on on fight if the O.B werent there to protect them they'd get dropped with the first 5 seconds
They thought that they would "smash" us is by far the funniest.
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It really is ridiculous that people that look and act like that even consider shouting that bollocks. They couldn't fight the tide in the bath.
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Jan 19 2010, 02:50 PM
The idea of the UAF itself is great, British people uniting to fight an old enemy, that is fascism. But the UAF got hi-jacked by marxists, socialists, anarchists and communists.
I agree with everything else you say TED, but I must correct you on this one point. The UAF did not get hijacked by these groups - it was founded by them!
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I've been rattling my brains for weeks now with the UAF. It usually comes down to me just thinking "What are they on?". I think anyone who supports extremist Islam is an traitor to the state.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
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They, and their support for Islam is part and parcel of the government's plan to destroy the fabric of our society, destroy national identity and national sovereignty. Socialists and Marxists have always detested, ney hated the idea of the nation state - much as Islam does. They hate the rights of the individual and believe that the state knows better, just as Islam does. Islam controls your thinking, down to your very actions. Let's face it you can't go to the toilet without Islam telling you which foot first to enter it with and which hand to wipe your behind with. Just like communism/communitarianism.

That is why the UAF like Islam and hate EDL. EDL represent individuals who can think for themselves, who can reason for themselves and don't like being told what to do by a greater who organisation who thinks it knows better what is good for the individual.
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I have been reading up on the series of events that led up to the decision the UAF made to protest against us and the conclusions I have come to are these.

Firstly If the UAF didn't protest against us (using all the dirty tricks it has with the BNP e.g. discrediting the leaders, false media, stirring race hate etc etc ) They would have to admit that the only reason we are all here is that they couldn't see past race to spot racism and do the one thing they are sponsored to do and protest against the offenders. Therefore admitting being racist

Second They will not admit they are racists EVER. They are planning a conference to decide how best to fight this new racist threat and I don't think they will ever realise two very important issues, One they are not dealing with the right wing there attacks on us makes us stronger and look better and two the only way they could ever hope to win is by stopping fighting us and start fighting racism no matter what colour the offenders are.

can I ask 2 questions
how irritating are the UAF?
if they left us alone took the hint and started fighting ALL racism not just picking on the given easy target white males what would you think?
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Can somebody help me with this I'm sure this has been covered but I don't understand. Why do people turn up to support the UAF

Very good question, Generally because the people who support the uaf are supporters of sister groups for example.
The socialists workers party and the socialist party. Are both far left openly marxist groups there support is quite high in some area's and the organisers between the socialists and the UAF is quite noticeable.
People like weyman bennett and martin smith often take part in socialist workers activies.
There are also other groups such as troskeyist trade unions who are involved in socialist activity who are connected to the uaf.
Then there are other small groups involved such as the communist party, Antifa, Anarchist federation, Feminist groups etc etc etc.
Generally it is wrong to say the people who oppose us are just uaf because it always comes out to be small groups united that why they are big on unity.
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Now personnaly I have no real reasons to protest against football hooligans I cannot remember a single newspaper headline where football fans have been violent to anyone other than football fans.

They are refering to four people who went on a rampage after the demo, Because four people are involved in the far left mindset we all act the same.
Even though the majority of us hate violence and random acts of racism.
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"a group of racist football hooligans with links to the fascist BNP"

They are refering to one or two people who were involved in BNP activity and because of this they are blowing it out of perportion making out we are all bnp.
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tomorrow it could be a synagogue, temple or church. Today they threaten Muslims, tomorrow it could be Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, blacks, gays, travellers or any other minority"

Well for a kick off, We are no way threatening mosques or muslims they are not the problem it is the radicals only.
The reality is we would never attack people we support. I totally support and encorage jew's sikths and hindu's to get involved but the UAF are trying to compare us to early white power gangs which we are not.
I would not and pay to much attention but sadly some people do.

The point is patriotism and right wing politics(not far right) conflicts with far left revolutionary idea's. So instead of calling us what we generally are right wing and patriotic they go for fascist and nazi.
It is a smoke screen which they hind behind.

I would also like to point out that, The UAF conciously attack us and use the ANTI BNP ammo they already have.
If they can link us to the BNP they can oppose us for being "islamophones" and "Racists" but the reality is totally different.
Edited by southwales, Jan 21 2010, 04:34 AM.
If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities.

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I had never heard of them until we formed the EDL. We just had enough of our spineless government doing nothing, and figured "Who could possibly disagree". Then came the smelly social outcasts!

Bless their little hearts! Their arguments are so thin, like "Links to the BNP" that could mean anything!
We have just left them to it so far, and they have hung themselves time and time again with their futile arguments. I say leave them to it. They are getting smaller every time we meet and eventually they will disappear.
Well that is the plan and before I was started posting with you guy's it was only the BNP who had problems with them.
Hopefully there numbers will dissapear however the far left as a whole should not be underestimated.
I think they will have no choice but to ignoring us because they may focus on being anti bnp.
If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities.

Freedom is not free.
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I dont know about anyone else but hearing "Nazi scum, off our streets" really bothers me.


Not just because the EDL is not a nazi organisation and has the EXACT opposite to Nazi beliefs...It's more to do with the fact that good men layed down their lives to protect those people from the REAL nazi's yet they have the audacity to disrespect their memory with those outlandish chants.




The reality is these people do not genuinely see what is happening to these working class areas. They see the somewhat *National*-cleansing of our streets as some multi-cultural achievement. These are your typical middle class University students who believe themselves to be freedom fighters inspired by the civil rights movement in the US.

The reality is these people are protecting the most vicious and most evil warped religion to exist in modern times. f**k them.
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Jan 19 2010, 02:50 PM
The idea of the UAF itself is great, British people uniting to fight an old enemy, that is fascism. But the UAF got hi-jacked by marxists, socialists, anarchists and communists.
I agree with everything else you say TED, but I must correct you on this one point. The UAF did not get hijacked by these groups - it was founded by them!
I suppose I said it wrong, the idea of the UAF is good. But those who set it up are the the hi-jackers.

I'm all up for anti-fascism, but I know the UAF was set up to hide those bastards true colours.


The 18th of January was a disgusting day for Brighton, so many red and black anarcho-syndaclist flags, made me want to puke.
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