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80 year old Saudi marries 11 year old girl
Topic Started: Jan 18 2010, 04:38 AM (233 Views)
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The more I find out the more I am amazed, shocked and disgusted. No more so than stories like this:
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News of a Saudi octogenarian marrying an eleven-year-old girl has outraged human rights activists amid calls on the government to regulate the marriage of underage girls, local media reported Saturday.

The Saudi National Human Rights Commission formed a committee to investigate the marriage, which activists consider a flagrant violation of human and children rights, the Saudi newspaper al-Riyadh said.

The father, who took 85,000 riyals (more than $22,000) in dowry, defended his decision to marry off his 11-year-old daughter even though his wife vehemently objected.

"I don't care about her age," he told the paper. "Her health and her body build make her fit for marriage. I also don't care what her mother thinks."

The father added that marriage at such an early age has been a custom in the Saudi society for a very long time and that he saw no reason why it should be a problem now.

"This is a very old custom and there is nothing wrong with it whether religiously or socially."

On the other hand, the groom said that the father, who is also his cousin, was the one who offered him his daughter and that the mother was totally against the marriage.

"He told me 'I have a girl and she will marry no one but you,'" the groom told the paper. "So, we got the witnesses and summoned the registrar. I paid the dowry and we held the ceremony and that was it. "

The groom expressed his surprise at how the media leveled harsh criticism against him and his family for marrying the girl.

"It is very simple. We didn’t do anything wrong. It is a valid contract that meets all the conditions for marriage? What's the point of all this fuss?"

The groom has three other wives, all much younger, and they all have kids.

As for the bride, she just called for help as she burst into tears.

"Save me. I don't want him," she cried.

How the hell can a human being, more so a parent allow this to happen to their child???????????????? Even if someone was suggestive towards my daughter I would rip their god damn heads off!

Article link here: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/01/80-year-old-saudi-marries-11-year-old.html
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i was about to post this article.... i don't know how parents can let do this. well, actually, i do.

Mohamed the prophet did married a child even though he could have been her grand father, so, why should they be blamed for imitating "the man chosen by God himself" ?

SICK.
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these dirty f**kers need to wake up to the 21st century
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/12/saudi.child.marriage/ judge refuses to annul 8yr old girls marriage yet another case of stoneage barbarity allowed by our so called allies inthe war on twerror. these tossers are our biggest enemy
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This man is a pedofile no other words need been said........sick sick sick
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there just sick .see the mothers have there rights not
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Reminds me of the very first video I did for YouTube. Whatch it right through, it's kinda true but also pretty funny (WATCH THE BAT!):

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That is disgusting, how can any parent do that?
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sick cunts!
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On a serious note. If you think the problem's limited to Saudi then you're sadly mistaken! It happens in the UK too. Girls as young as 11 being forced to marry God knows who and yet the police and authorities are too cowardly to do anything about it for fear of upsetting Muslims. Not just one case either, we're talking hundreds, maybe even thousands of cases:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6981134.ece
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Quote from Times article:

“A woman who is forced into marriage is likely to be raped and may be raped repeatedly until she becomes pregnant.”


This is just sickening, when are the people in government going to wake up and address the very serious issues that fester away under the guise of Religious 'tradition.'
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Having viewed this s**t I found myself suddenly pacing up and down the room without realising it. I have daughters myself, I don't have words to describe how I feel. Any religion or culture that allows this, is absolutely disgusting and vile, and just listen to how they got the f**king balls to justify it? the father of the girl said "This is a very old custom and there is nothing wrong with it whether religiously or socially." what the f**k?
Every now and again I have to take a couple of weeks sabbatical from the internet, especially when I read stuff like this, because it makes my blood boil, and I feel helpless to do anything about it, then everything I read starts to drag me down mentally. But then I realise, that's the state of apathy most people have been forced into over the years in this country.

The one thing that's given me a glimmer of hope is the EDL and Geert Wilders, and I'm sure that must be the case for millions of people in this country. We need to pave the way to make it easy for people to stand with us, or support us in ways other than just turning up at a demo. Many people young and old may be scared at this point to go to demos, so we must find other productive things to involve our supporters in, making the most of our human resources.

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Many people ask how their parents can allow this, the answer is simple.


It's because of Sharia law, this is just more anti-sharia for us.
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Having viewed this s**t I found myself suddenly pacing up and down the room without realising it. I have daughters myself, I don't have words to describe how I feel. Any religion or culture that allows this, is absolutely disgusting and vile, and just listen to how they got the f**king balls to justify it? the father of the girl said "This is a very old custom and there is nothing wrong with it whether religiously or socially." what the f**k?
Every now and again I have to take a couple of weeks sabbatical from the internet, especially when I read stuff like this, because it makes my blood boil, and I feel helpless to do anything about it, then everything I read starts to drag me down mentally. But then I realise, that's the state of apathy most people have been forced into over the years in this country.

The one thing that's given me a glimmer of hope is the EDL and Geert Wilders, and I'm sure that must be the case for millions of people in this country. We need to pave the way to make it easy for people to stand with us, or support us in ways other than just turning up at a demo. Many people young and old may be scared at this point to go to demos, so we must find other productive things to involve our supporters in, making the most of our human resources.

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I have three daughters too mate, 13, 12 and 11 they are. So, when I read this kind of stuff I get like that too. f**king raging sometimes!! I was on the 4F freedoms website a couple of weeks ago and there was a Muslim on there trying to debate Islam. So, I pulled out the old mohammed was a paedophile card and asked him how he can idolise a man who liked givin' it to little girls of only nine years of age! His answer got me f**king raging!! If I could have got my hands on the c**t I'd have ripped his f**kin' face off. He posted a photo of a little girl, aged 11 who had just given birth to a wee baby and said that Allah made these girls to bleed at this age, so Allah knows best! Who are we he said, that we know more than God who makes them mature so young!!

Here's the picture he posted, but he actually condones this as a devout Muslim and he makes no qualms about it:

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It's just beyond belief and I just can't get my head around it. I have an 11 year old daughter who is so innocent and her main love of life (apart from me :D ) is her DS and going on Facebook to chat to friends. I monitor her Facebook 7/7 because of the worry of the sick gets in this world and have even sat her down to warn her of the dangers out there.

Put quite simply its just unbelievable that ANYONE could do this or even come close to agreeing its right because of their religion. NORMAL people would question there religion and believes if it condoned this sort of behaviour and have nothing more to do with it!

Paedophiles are the scum of this earth and deserve a slow painful death END OF! My heart goes out to these young girls who didn't ask to be born into that way of life!

And they want sharia law and the islamification of the UK? Over my dead body!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sick,depraved and barbaric!What makes a man of that age decide to inflict such misery on a child?Any normal straight thinking man knows that this is very wrong,even if your religion is islam,in these modern times you would think that they would ignore what the prophet did,and wed a woman.

Paedophilia is as bad as it gets,cut their cocks off!
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I have three daughters too mate, 13, 12 and 11 they are. So, when I read this kind of stuff I get like that too. f**king raging sometimes!! I was on the 4F freedoms website a couple of weeks ago and there was a Muslim on there trying to debate Islam. So, I pulled out the old mohammed was a paedophile card and asked him how he can idolise a man who liked givin' it to little girls of only nine years of age! His answer got me f**king raging!! If I could have got my hands on the c**t I'd have ripped his f**kin' face off. He posted a photo of a little girl, aged 11 who had just given birth to a wee baby and said that Allah made these girls to bleed at this age, so Allah knows best! Who are we he said, that we know more than God who makes them mature so young!!





I have talked to Muslims sometimes about Mohamed pedo.
As a victim of pedophiles myself... I try to tell them that this is wrong, a little girl CANNOT desire a man, that it's pure rape... I try to talk about the physical consequences... Not the mention the psychological ones.
I said : "if Mohamed was really sent by God, why didn't he banned this perversion ?! It goes against nature. Even animals don't have sex with their babies..."

I usually hear the same s**t :
- in the 7th century, (there were bio food, so,) children were stronger and healthier than now.
- in the 7th century, it was a tradition
- Aicha loved him too (yeah, i know, when you're 9 years old, you love your Daddy - or someone who can be your father - it doesn't mean you want him to f**k you and make your blood piss - sorry if i'm rude but that's the truth...)


When you rape a girl or a women, she wants to disappear. That's why some woman will to wear niquab, veil and burqa. They think this clothe protects them from Men who look at them like piece of meat if they don't look how they expect.
For Muslim men, a girl is either a pure woman or a bi.tch. And bitches have more chances to be beaten and raped.

Here, in Europe, the only men who bug me in the streets are likely Muslims (people from north africa are mostly Muslims and it was also like this in Morocco). I've never ever seen a Chinese, for instance, harasseing me... I started to stop putting make up on me, heels, and put large clothe, hoping they would let me, i would be invisible... But apparently, it doesn't work. So, i got sick (eating disorders, "ghosts" pain, i stopped going out because i felt i could be harassed which i live like an agression and a lack of respect of my dignity).

The fact my friend got attacked by 2 Muslims and raped in 2009 by one of them in the name of Allah didn't help...




When i lived in Morocco, at the age of 17 yrs old, an man of about 40-45 yrs old came to my father to ask if he can marry me. I didn't know him, he didn't even asked me. I felt like a mechandise !! Hopefully, my father wasn't Muslim... But see... How things work? And it happened in Morocco, a so called "moderate" islamic state...




I cannot understand how people can think a pedo is a prophet... I cannot and it's unbearable.

Can you imagine how I feel, everytime i go outside and see a woman with a veil ? I don't have any hate for her at the beginning, but for the symbol of her religion, which reminds me the memories of my own agressions... And it's always, always, always, when i go out. I cannot escape it, except if i go in a place where there are 0 Muslims visible.

When you are hurt, either you flee or you become agressive yourself. So, how can i live peacefully with people who glorify 5 times a day a garbage like the men who destroyed me? How can I live again, let the past behind and move on if some women, with their precious veil, support and find excuses for what a bastard like the ones who broke me did?? In the end, you can't help to hate them.... Because they support the kind of asshole who ruined your life entirely.

You're sick, cannot go out, fear the telephone ringing, can't see your friends when you want, have problems to find a boyfriend, no job...
It's like all the efforts I do in my dailylife to get over my own demons are nothing... It's like an unbearable provocation.

You can tell them all the damages pedophiliae cause to the victim, and so do a rape, they just ignore it... Or denie it and try pitifully to justify it... which is even worse !
They say "we condemn rape in Islam" BUT if a husband rapes his wife, it's not considered as a crime in any way, so if a husband rapes his wife of 9 years old... Forced sex inside marriage is not considered as criminal, but normal.
And the woman (or the child, if it's a child) has the duty to please her husband when he orders her anything, including sex. Otherwise, he's encouraged to harass and beat her (sourate 4 verse 34).
A girl who says she was raped, if she doesn't have witnesses, she's not believed !
And most Muslims will tell me that it was my fault... Because i dress in a bad way, so, when you look like "a piece of meat", don't be surprised if men assault you...
Some say "it wasn"t your fault". Then, I answer : "so why do you support Mohamed who did to Aicha what my abusers did to myself ?!"
No answer.


I don't want to live with people like them.
Here, we're in the West... We have others values, other cultures and pedophiliae is a 100% crime that NOTHING can excuse!
All kind of forced sex = rape. A husband doesn't have the right to beat or assaulted his wife...

Either we impose our values to Muslims or Muslims will impose theirs... which would mean regression for us. All also that the women in your families won't be safe anymore, or respected, for just being who they are : western girls.
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Thank you for your personal story Daze . Very apt to the Issue I pray God though his son Jesus heals the physical , emotional, and spiritual scares of you experience
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Thank you for your personal story Daze . Very apt to the Issue I pray God though his son Jesus heals the physical , emotional, and spiritual scares of you experience
Thanks...

I wish people will wake up massively.

Either this will finish with a civil war, or the western values will islamise if the islamic values don't westernize.
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at 9 how can a girl be ready for a sexual realtionship or anykind of realtionship? sick perverted twisted relgion and its followers.
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its so they get the most out of every man, sprogwise, saying that i doubt he fires well at 80
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I have three daughters too mate, 13, 12 and 11 they are. So, when I read this kind of stuff I get like that too. f**king raging sometimes!! I was on the 4F freedoms website a couple of weeks ago and there was a Muslim on there trying to debate Islam. So, I pulled out the old mohammed was a paedophile card and asked him how he can idolise a man who liked givin' it to little girls of only nine years of age! His answer got me f**king raging!! If I could have got my hands on the c**t I'd have ripped his f**kin' face off. He posted a photo of a little girl, aged 11 who had just given birth to a wee baby and said that Allah made these girls to bleed at this age, so Allah knows best! Who are we he said, that we know more than God who makes them mature so young!!





I have talked to Muslims sometimes about Mohamed pedo.
As a victim of pedophiles myself... I try to tell them that this is wrong, a little girl CANNOT desire a man, that it's pure rape... I try to talk about the physical consequences... Not the mention the psychological ones.
I said : "if Mohamed was really sent by God, why didn't he banned this perversion ?! It goes against nature. Even animals don't have sex with their babies..."

I usually hear the same s**t :
- in the 7th century, (there were bio food, so,) children were stronger and healthier than now.
- in the 7th century, it was a tradition
- Aicha loved him too (yeah, i know, when you're 9 years old, you love your Daddy - or someone who can be your father - it doesn't mean you want him to f**k you and make your blood piss - sorry if i'm rude but that's the truth...)


When you rape a girl or a women, she wants to disappear. That's why some woman will to wear niquab, veil and burqa. They think this clothe protects them from Men who look at them like piece of meat if they don't look how they expect.
For Muslim men, a girl is either a pure woman or a bi.tch. And bitches have more chances to be beaten and raped.

Here, in Europe, the only men who bug me in the streets are likely Muslims (people from north africa are mostly Muslims and it was also like this in Morocco). I've never ever seen a Chinese, for instance, harasseing me... I started to stop putting make up on me, heels, and put large clothe, hoping they would let me, i would be invisible... But apparently, it doesn't work. So, i got sick (eating disorders, "ghosts" pain, i stopped going out because i felt i could be harassed which i live like an agression and a lack of respect of my dignity).

The fact my friend got attacked by 2 Muslims and raped in 2009 by one of them in the name of Allah didn't help...




When i lived in Morocco, at the age of 17 yrs old, an man of about 40-45 yrs old came to my father to ask if he can marry me. I didn't know him, he didn't even asked me. I felt like a mechandise !! Hopefully, my father wasn't Muslim... But see... How things work? And it happened in Morocco, a so called "moderate" islamic state...




I cannot understand how people can think a pedo is a prophet... I cannot and it's unbearable.

Can you imagine how I feel, everytime i go outside and see a woman with a veil ? I don't have any hate for her at the beginning, but for the symbol of her religion, which reminds me the memories of my own agressions... And it's always, always, always, when i go out. I cannot escape it, except if i go in a place where there are 0 Muslims visible.

When you are hurt, either you flee or you become agressive yourself. So, how can i live peacefully with people who glorify 5 times a day a garbage like the men who destroyed me? How can I live again, let the past behind and move on if some women, with their precious veil, support and find excuses for what a bastard like the ones who broke me did?? In the end, you can't help to hate them.... Because they support the kind of asshole who ruined your life entirely.

You're sick, cannot go out, fear the telephone ringing, can't see your friends when you want, have problems to find a boyfriend, no job...
It's like all the efforts I do in my dailylife to get over my own demons are nothing... It's like an unbearable provocation.

You can tell them all the damages pedophiliae cause to the victim, and so do a rape, they just ignore it... Or denie it and try pitifully to justify it... which is even worse !
They say "we condemn rape in Islam" BUT if a husband rapes his wife, it's not considered as a crime in any way, so if a husband rapes his wife of 9 years old... Forced sex inside marriage is not considered as criminal, but normal.
And the woman (or the child, if it's a child) has the duty to please her husband when he orders her anything, including sex. Otherwise, he's encouraged to harass and beat her (sourate 4 verse 34).
A girl who says she was raped, if she doesn't have witnesses, she's not believed !
And most Muslims will tell me that it was my fault... Because i dress in a bad way, so, when you look like "a piece of meat", don't be surprised if men assault you...
Some say "it wasn"t your fault". Then, I answer : "so why do you support Mohamed who did to Aicha what my abusers did to myself ?!"
No answer.


I don't want to live with people like them.
Here, we're in the West... We have others values, other cultures and pedophiliae is a 100% crime that NOTHING can excuse!
All kind of forced sex = rape. A husband doesn't have the right to beat or assaulted his wife...

Either we impose our values to Muslims or Muslims will impose theirs... which would mean regression for us. All also that the women in your families won't be safe anymore, or respected, for just being who they are : western girls.
Daze, I'm sorry to hear that. I've known a few lassies in my time, I've been close to a lot of them and it's shocking how many were affected by paedophilia, rape or assault at one time or another. I've heard some real horror stories. Abuse within families, real disgusting s**t like! Abuse from ex-partners. It's so f**kin' sad. Listen though lass, you'll be awright. You'll find a good fella that'll look after ya. I'm sorry you've had to deal with such things.

Thankfully, most British men are nice, decent people who would NEVER hurt a woman and we believe that hurting a child is lower than low. Child abuse of any kind maybe be dealt with by a lenient prison sentence in this country, but I can assure you it IS STILL punishable by death as far as I'm concerned. I would not have a problem executing a paedo. I f**kin' HATE them!!

So, when I discover that Mulsim's worship a f**kin' paedo it makes me f**king ANGRY!! HOW COULD THEY WORSHIP FILTH?!? It beggars belief!!!
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Thankfully, most British men are nice, decent people who would NEVER hurt a woman and we believe that hurting a child is lower than low. Child abuse of any kind maybe be dealt with by a lenient prison sentence in this country, but I can assure you it IS STILL punishable by death as far as I'm concerned. I would not have a problem executing a paedo.

Yeah, I know this... :)

There are sick perverts everywhere but according to my own experience, it's true that English men with an english culture are usually charming and respectful.



I think culture, values and education play.

- As for pedophiliae, all Western people with a western backrgound (except some sick ones) feel repulsion and disgust about this. It's part of our culture.

- Many Muslims feel disgusted by this too, I'm sure... But yet, they defend a pedo and think he's the source of all "Truth", that he brought them the key to open paradise's door. :blink: If you think rape is a crime, then, why following and defending a rapist ? This is non-sens.

- As for the Radical Muslims... They promote pedophiliae. I saw a blog in french like this which was not even closed. :X

Here is it, I translate from : http://moqawama.canalblog.com/archives/2008/10/21/11034070.html


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Age of marriage in Islam

Another issue about Islam that has provoqued these last weeks violent reactions in the medias, especially the western ones, against genuine Islam and its members.
This is the subject : according to Islam, when can a girl be legally married?
Obviously, a torrent of abuse and insults about genuine Islam and its members, after many reports and articles were released, talking about the account of young muslim girls of 8 or 9 years old who were legally married in Yemen and Arabia Saoudia. They were immediatly assimilated to pedophiliae.

Although it would be the case, it is very surprising it bothers so much the West when pedo crimes consist in the favourite hobby of the illumunati leaders...
The debate got harsher in Morocco when a courageous cheikh (Mohammed Abderrahmane El Maghrawi) dared recalling that it is simply legal according the islamic law.

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To sum up in one sentence : the Muslim can perfectly marry a girl no matter what is her age in an islamic act of wedding, but this marriage, although it's valid and complete, can be "consumed" (with penetration) only when the bride is 9 (in reality 8 years and 9 month, because it's 9 years old in the moon calendar).

Indeed, whether the Kuffar like it or not,whether the mounafiqine (the hypocrits) like it or not, it works this way and the 1st Muslim who gave this example is our Prophete (saws) who married Aicha Bent Abi Bakr when she was 6.

(...) Either the Muslim accept this islamic law and respect it, and it that case, he's a genuine and honorable Muslim, or, at the contrary, he considers the action of our Prophet (saws) like a shamefull horror and rebels against this law saying it's illegal or old fashionned, then, in that case, he's not a Muslim anymore (as for the Kafir, we don't care about what he thinks, the simple fact of getting information about what he thinks is already flattering him).

(...)

The decadence and the massive mental slavery of Muslims nowadays, including many of those in the so called "ouléma", is very shocking because it makes Muslims read Islam not with the "genuine islamic intelligence"'s eyes but with predjudices and stupid hypothesis of a modern western ideology that promotes humain rights.





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To sum up in one sentence : the Muslim can perfectly marry a girl no matter what is her age in an islamic act of wedding, but this marriage, although it's valid and complete, can be "consumed" (with penetration) only when the bride is 9 (in reality 8 years and 9 month, because it's 9 years old in the moon calendar).


This literally sickens me to the stomach how they actually believe this crap. Anyone who is capable of this is capable of anything! The more I find out about radical islam the more I think that it is worse than satanism, its that god dam evil! I hope the MF's burn in hell!!!!!!!!!
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daze after reading your post i feel a wave of emotions ranging from sickness and revulsion through to shame and sorrow.
what is done in the name of religion is sickening and basically being the father of 3 girls and bringing up my 2 year old niece as well, if anyone touched them i would kill them, i dont give a toss what the law says i would just kill them. in fact an old friend of mine has a daughter who was raped by the man who ran the corner shop. the police got involved and it ended up with this man getting 9 months inside for indecent assualt, after the 9 months were up my friend found this bloke early one morning beat him sensless and then poured lighter fluid all over him and torched the sick f*cker. he got 10 years for attempted murder but more than that he got peace of mind and justice for his daughters life getting f*cked up.
rapists and peados can not be rehabilitated they should be locked up for life or just put down for the good of society, in my book this covers any person who thinks due to religion and stoneage customs they may marry and rape a 9 year old.
muslims either change to suite the western way of life or theycan leave our society for good. dead or alive i dont give a s**t as long as the sick f*ckers leave our shores
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Here, in Europe, the only men who bug me in the streets are likely Muslims (people from north africa are mostly Muslims and it was also like this in Morocco). I've never ever seen a Chinese, for instance, harasseing me... I started to stop putting make up on me, heels, and put large clothe, hoping they would let me, i would be invisible... But apparently, it doesn't work. So, i got sick (eating disorders, "ghosts" pain, i stopped going out because i felt i could be harassed which i live like an agression and a lack of respect of my dignity).



I totally Agree MY other half an i went to Tunisia 2 years back an she got f**king proposed to by the pool boy i wanted to f**king drown the c**t

and she got stopped non stop in streets because she has blonde hair an blue eyes

eventually i jus had to have hold of her all the time they buggered off once they realised she is with a english man.


Any way this man is wrong ! But Someone Had To Beat Gary Glitters Track Record
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Agamemmon : the men who hurt me are dead. They both got sick and didn't make it after few years... So, there's a justice somewhere, or something looking after me, don't know...



Naff : All kind of girls are harassed by men coming from Muslim countries in the streets, not only the european type, except the Muslims who are raised in a Western way, they act like Western men usually do.

Men with a muslim culture only don't bother women who have the hijab, not to mention the niquab (full veil), because for them, they're respectful. They're religious women.


Once, I tried to talk about this suffering to a Muslima living in Belgium. She was a nice person even if I didn't always get along with her ideas.
I told her that the veil, for us, Western women, is oppressing because it's OUR OWN submission we see... I told her about my friend who was raped last June in the name of Allah, it was because she didn't have a veil on her... If she was a Muslim, the 2 guys who agressed her and the man who raped her would have never touch her because for a Djihadist, raping a Muslim woman is a crime while raping a "ennemy's woman" is a reward... :blink:

One of the guys who demonstrated with Choudary says it : "we'll take their wives as war booty" (time : 3:13) and they're not joking...

video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM


Men coming from muslim culture target us, bug us, while they would not if we put a veil - submit.
Very religious Muslim women support them, saying it's our fault because we don't dress in a descent way (except we don't have the same definition of "descent"...)

It's a form of abuse, a form of violence to change our way of life that we don't understand here since Western culture, women don't cover their hair or face and we have an industry of fashion...
And we don't want to dress like a bag. And Western men don't want us to neither... They like girls who look like girls, not unformed bags or nones, and are usually perfectly able to respect them and stay reserved.


I understood why.
It is because for a Western man, a girl who put a skirt is a feminine girl who dresses like this because she likes being who she is. He considers her as a independant individual, with the ability of having pleasure and hurt, a person with a sensitivity and a sensibility, capable of deciding for herself, of thinking by herself...
For a man coming from a Muslim culture, a girl putting a skirt is a "slut" who is trying to seduce men and calling for sex. Women act for men, only, in their head, never for themselves.

HOW MANY TIMES i repeated to Muslim men who say that we are "female" that if I put make up, it's not to please men... It's for ME ! for MY OWN pleasure, because it makes me happy !! Call it narcissism, fine !... I don't dress for men, I dress for me. and I have the right to ! It's MY body and OUR way of life, here, in the West... I only belong to myself.

Apparently, in the Muslim culture, women body belongs to men if it doesn't belongs to Allah.
And it's like we're blamed for acting as Western girls in the West, now.
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Gah we can't do anything can we they are all like a bunch of old People aiming moans at us Young people (westerners) they probably sit at home watching Currynation Street moaning about us lot
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Gah we can't do anything can we they are all like a bunch of old People aiming moans at us Young people (westerners) they probably sit at home watching Currynation Street moaning about us lot
In France, there's a association created by a "westernized" muslim woman (who is today a minister) :

http://www.niputesnisoumises.com/campagnes-actions/

But there is a lot of work...
- And as immigration from Muslim countries is still on, we'll have to do the information work again and again to change mentalities...
- But there are also Muslims who REFUSE to tolerate our way of life and keep on dispising us for being who we are. (this includes all Radical Muslims, for instance).

So, yeah, that's a problem...



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