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Alcohol at demonstrations ( yet another thread started by some twat that has never got off his arse and attended a demo!)
Topic Started: Jan 13 2010, 12:04 AM (1,001 Views)
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I'm glad I found this post on here because it's something that should be given serious, tactical consideration. The fact is that there are many potential supporters who feel that some of the EDL clips on youtube etc. make the EDL look like a 'subversive neo nazi rabble'. I've heard this opinion from a lot of people who feel the same way we all do, but who just don't want to associate with the EDL. Now, if we're serious about gathering as much support as possible through 2010, then hear me out here. Do we want 1,000 at demos or do we want 100,000?

What people see on the net when they research the EDL will dishearten, enrage and sadden folk who are researching us with a view to joining and supporting our cause. You 'will' see Nazi salutes, hear inciting chants, see bad behaviour within the immediate area of the EDL - am I wrong? No!! The footage of the EDL does not come out well and it is deeply saddening that such a simple image problem (which stems from an on-the-field management problem) is also alienating THOUSANDS of potential support!

It's been said many times, but in order to achieve and maintain EDL credability and encourage many more to join us, it is essential that we conduct ourselves in a much more orderly manner. Failure to do so will only serve to render us open to ridicule by the public at large and those who seek to destroy us!!! Silent, well organised marches will prevail over mob behaviour AND GAIN HUGE PUBLIC SUPPORT.

I want to stand up and be recognised, I want people held to account, I want Rabid Islamic extremists out of my country, I want the EDL to be a vehicle that helps me and MILLIONS of others achieve the above!!

We MUST address this image problem, starting with a ban on alcohol before demos and some basic management and conduct guidelines. We MUST make the EDL appealing to those who will otherwise steer clear.

It's that simple. If we want 100,000 at demos instead of 1,000 then we should sacrifice the beer and just have a few pints AFTER the demo. A few basic rules on how to present ourselves and thereby make our ranks appealing so the average Joe will join in. 100,000 is not a pipe dream, it could be done!!
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It is naive to think that if we didn't have a pint our numbers would increase a hundred-fold. Our numbers are increasing massively, and who is gonna go round telling the lads they can't have a beer?

You can, cos I bloody aint.
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Jan 13 2010, 01:17 PM
It should be banned.The EDL needs a code of discipline to show it is superior to the opposition.The EDL is here to do a job and needs an ultra professional approach.Save the drinking for football matches.
Exactly. We have a job to do and it's an important job! Who here shows up to their work with a few pints in them? No one! So why show up at demos with a drink? This is serious business, the future of the country could hinge on the EDL and if there's anything we can do to improve, no matter how small, then we should do it.
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Jan 13 2010, 07:44 PM
It is naive to think that if we didn't have a pint our numbers would increase a hundred-fold. Our numbers are increasing massively, and who is gonna go round telling the lads they can't have a beer?

You can, cos I bloody aint.
It's not difficult to ask everyone to refrain from drinking before demos. It makes a lot of sense. I'm sure most people agree that the EDL have a huge image problem? Well, if something's broke it needs fixed. It really is that simple.
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Firstly who will implement this ban and how,
Secondly TheEDL police liason officers need to ask for an alternative meeting place that isnt a boozer,
What are your suggestions. where can 500 ppl meet with toilet facilitys plus food,That are willing to have us there? ( i hear marks and spencer do a nice pot of tea and a scone,)LOL

So Constructive critisism needed , not just critisism please


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Jan 13 2010, 07:57 PM
Firstly who will implement this ban and how,
Secondly TheEDL police liason officers need to ask for an alternative meeting place that isnt a boozer,
What are your suggestions. where can 500 ppl meet with toilet facilitys plus food,That are willing to have us there? ( i hear marks and spencer do a nice pot of tea and a scone,)LOL

So Constructive critisism needed , not just critisism please
As previously said, I am not out for a ban - just the `bladdered` part.
Just a point though, the great unwashed manage big numbers without meeting in pubs.
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Jan 13 2010, 07:57 PM
Firstly who will implement this ban and how,
Secondly TheEDL police liason officers need to ask for an alternative meeting place that isnt a boozer,
What are your suggestions. where can 500 ppl meet with toilet facilitys plus food,That are willing to have us there? ( i hear marks and spencer do a nice pot of tea and a scone,)LOL

So Constructive critisism needed , not just critisism please
Where there's a will there's a way :) You're not seriously telling me that the reason everyone takes a drink before the demo's is because there's no place to meet except a pub?? That statement doesn't need criticised, it speaks volumes about the management problems in fact.

If you don't meet in the boozers then you won't need toilet facilities. If you don't meet in the boozers and show up totally sober then perhaps the cops wont feel the need to coral everyone inside the boozer. For all the cops know, everyone in the boozer is tanked up and ragin' for a fight.

OK, so let's throw some ideas around then. Why not meet out in the open like? Away from the pub means empty bladders. I can't believe I'm having a conversation about how to avoid needing to piss for a few hours. I don't see the hippies piss their pints against walls during demos. I don't see oneLaw4all meet inpubs and need to piss during their demos. I don't recall the women of the sufforagettes with their knickers round their ankles, pissin' their pints down the stank during their protests?

Do you agree the EDL have an image problem? Do you agree it needs fixed? Then shouldn't we be taking steps to sort it?
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Jan 13 2010, 08:14 PM
Do you agree the EDL have an image problem? Do you agree it needs fixed? Then shouldn't we be taking steps to sort it?
I agree with Geert and this seem to be the key point. A lot of people on here moaning about the media image but few prepared to change to improve it. The main battle is not with radical islam at the moment it is the media image. A positive media image would massively increase numbers. Poll after poll shows majority public opposition to islamification. At the end of the day no one takes drunk people seriously.

Unfortunately the poll has been changed to make it a joke so it doesn't make sense. Of course no one can ban it, but meeting places other than pubs and a request from the leaders not to drink would help.
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Jan 13 2010, 08:52 PM
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Jan 13 2010, 08:14 PM
Do you agree the EDL have an image problem? Do you agree it needs fixed? Then shouldn't we be taking steps to sort it?
I agree with Geert and this seem to be the key point. A lot of people on here moaning about the media image but few prepared to change to improve it. The main battle is not with radical islam at the moment it is the media image. A positive media image would massively increase numbers. Poll after poll shows majority public opposition to islamification. At the end of the day no one takes drunk people seriously.

Unfortunately the poll has been changed to make it a joke so it doesn't make sense. Of course no one can ban it, but meeting places other than pubs and a request from the leaders not to drink would help.
Thank you.
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Well if we meet in pubs, the EDL leaders can tell the pub landlord not to serve alcohol.

As for a meeting, what about a park, car park, town centre. The meeting places are endless.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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If Sharia law is implemented you won't be drinking anywhere! Think longterm and what people will be doing on a Saturday afternoon in fifty years time.Will it be watching a football match or watching a stoning?This is the only opportunity we are going to get so if we blow it now its goodbye England hello Sharia.
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Jan 13 2010, 09:52 PM
Well if we meet in pubs, the EDL leaders can tell the pub landlord not to serve alcohol.

As for a meeting, what about a park, car park, town centre. The meeting places are endless.
Exactly, it's a no-brainer.

I say it again, it's something that should be given very serious consideration because there ARE many, many potential supporters who look at the EDL and see the clips on youtube etc. which make us look like a bit of a mob. So, if we really are serious about gathering as much support as possible this year then let's get off to a flying start and aim for 100,000 supporters by December! You may laugh, but the vast majority of people in the UK are against Islamic extremism and they're looking for an avenue of protest that doesn't involve a mob.

So again, in order to achieve and maintain EDL credability and encourage many more to join us, it is essential that we conduct ourselves in a much more orderly manner. Failure to do so will only serve to render us open to ridicule by the public at large and those who seek to destroy us!!! Silent, well organised marches will prevail over mob behaviour and gain HUGE public support.

We need to give the EDL an image image that appeals. A ban on alcohol before demos is just a basic no-brainer. Coupled with some good management and formal guidelines, we could easily make the EDL appealing to those who presently prefer to steer clear.

I'm not saying it can happen overnight, but it's simple enough to implement if we're serious about moving forward and gathereing more and more momentum. If we carry on as we are, there is a danger we'll peak off and lose what momentum we've gathered so far. If we want 100,000 at demos instead of 1,000 then sacrificing the beer and implementing a few basic rules on presentation is a small price to pay.

100,000 is not a pipe dream, it could be done!!
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Jan 13 2010, 11:31 AM
I voted it should be banned. The EDL have a job to do, theres a time and a place for everything. We already struggle WITH people seeing us in a good light so why give them ammo towards us?? its mediocre mentality to drink alchohol before a march. JMO

Afterwards get plastered it doesnt matter but on EDL buisness we need our full wits about us surely

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Everyone who voted "GET BLADDERED" well done, you served your country proud FFS.
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Lets start this thread and vote again? I bet they'll be a change in what people think.
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How about smoking dope instead? I never get violent when I have a fat spliff in my mouth.
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How about glue sniffing? this is the image we want yeah??
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All we need is management and acceptance that management are right. EDL should be treated like a job and a VERY serious job. Not a fcuking excuse for a piss up!!
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HEAR HEAR!!!!!
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I eat muesli but voted yes!
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zcott you can get to fuck as well! start another thread when you've actually been to a demo!!
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I can understand your sentiment SW, but to be fair, you don't have to attend something to have an opinion on it. I reckon there's no one on these boards ever attended a Shar'iah court but we're all unanimous in declaring we don't want them :D !
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SW get that f**king chip off your f**king shoulder!

not for the First time you rename threads which you dont particularly like to insult their makers, then you act like a prized self rightous cock to people who are only making a suggestion.

What has Zcott done to you?
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Jan 24 2010, 04:34 AM
zcott you can get to f**k as well! start another thread when you've actually been to a demo!!
Why do you feel the need to have a go at me when I didn't start another thread, or rebump this one?
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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Way to ostracise and alienate those who can't come to demos.....
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ok lets spread the demonstrations , who want a drink meet at such a point and who dont, meet at such a point infact put a sharia law on us and tell us we cant do it cant drink ,
or lets get complete f**kwits that think ther edl sit behind a f**kin pc , let all the lads do the hardwork and let someone else sit and critise ,

what f**ks me off baldy monster is scottish yeah and hes a no 1 helper on this site so he has every right to say im sick of you pissed up c**ts !!! shammone and we all know it

but come on you half baked wankers who post on these sites that say delete my account ,,,,, edl are this and that ,,,, you should be deleted anyway u c**ts id spit at you half wits who say lets delete my accoutn HAVE U EVER SHOWN UP up the edl

baldy monster has and hes shown his way and he is pure edl , he was showing his anger , nothing else he is pure EDL ,

lets get one thing right

YOU c**tS ARE NOT EDL ,

i respect people like blady monster who was not there that day in stoke through obvious etc etc hes one of us

but you half wit c**ts who say delete my account i dont want anything do with edl because of this and that id delete ur account gladly ur the reason of this country is a s**t streak u give up

so glady delete there accounts f**k them off
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Jan 13 2010, 12:04 AM
Before every demonstration, the EDL meet up at a pub where members are able to buy alcohol. Should this be banned before and during demonstrations?

It's not a good image for us. We're often seen as a 'drinking club with a website'. Drinking alcohol makes you want to urinate more. So if we're Section 60'd and people are full of piss, they have to go in the corner. Then you get images of EDL members pissing up a castle. Not good image now is it.

Some of you might say "It's a free country, and I want to drink". That's fine, but, do it after the demonstration. Can't you skip on the alcohol for a few hours. What's more important? Drinking, or your country?

Should alcohol be banned at demonstrations?
turn up 1ce then and well f**kin know whats important , whats important to you , country or someone else fihhtin ur battle then pretending ur part of that team


what cheekly c**t can say whats more important your country or alcahol

WHATS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU UR KEYBOARD OR YOUR PRIDE

EXACLTY UR TYPE OF PERSON WHOLL NEVER LEAVE THERE HOUSE ANYWAY SO IF SHARIAH KICKED IN IT WOULDNT BOTHER YOU COS ULL SIT ON ur ass send PICTURES OF FIREMEN TO PEOPLE AND TELL EM ITS YOU BUT UR JUST A KEYBOARD DICKHEAD
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southwestedl had a go at me last night too, I was discussing something about the notts demo which I would've gone to had I bit extra money and he said "were you even f**king there" or something, he had a go at baldy too, southwest you need to f**king chill were you on the booze or something last night cos there were a lot of pissed off people but dont mean you should go shouting your mouth off on the forum....
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As knuckles said before , people doing a good job of Alienating us other on this forum.

Have you even considered that people sometimes cannot make it to demos? Zcott is on a limited budget , as with me , Arthur is a pensioner, are you going to rant at him for not coming?

For some it simply isnt possible to travel Nine hours on a train to get to the other side of the country, just so we can stand around and shout "Engerland Engerland Engerland" for a couple of hours.


Accept it and move on. These "Keyboard warriors" which you look down upon so much, do more work behind the scenes than most people.

Who you you think has to clear up the negative image generated at some demos which is spread over the Internet? I dont see you posting on Chatrooms around the world trying to convience people to join the EDL. Your scumy "Keyboard warriors" do that job. It's your "Keyboard Warriors" who post PR youtube videos, who advertise the EDL, who defend it.

Come BRITISH? would you do all these things? No.

You rather go to demos and be there, nothing wrong in that, Its what Id be doing if I could.

Dont insult something unless you know about it in the future.


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Why is this idiot on the EDL?

I offered him some reason why he should look down at so call "Keyboard warriors" and Im getting death threats and insults off this stupid Moron now.

Arh bless, He sent me a message! I wonder if at least he spelt this threat right :P
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imperial think before you say go outside and have a s**t in your outside toilet mate before you post u little billy elliot c**t seriously mate im actually readin what i post now , before potin ,
seriously id like buy ur little area to stick all p***s in it buddy ,
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BRITISH is a classy guy isnt he?!

Insulting people because of how much money they have to play about with
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f**k sake cool it, you should get that last post deleated mate.
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death threats mate lol ,,,,, ok ---- seriously if i was death threatin you i swear on my mums life it would happen
domt give it the big edl like ur part of it ive told you you never been a demo you never fought tooth and nail so how can u can ur self edl ,,,,


wait you mention arthur we all nkow hes pensioner does it make you more edl
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Jesus Christ, this is all getting silly now. Stop having ago at each other everyone, were all f**king EDL.
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a bit of tempers here lads, I can see all the points of view.

Baldy didn't go to the demo but he was there the week before handing flyers out with us, good lad, hope he comes back soon.

Folks do get edgy (I do myself) when told this and that by someone who wasn't at a demo, though everyone has a right to an opinion, and an opinion from an outsider 'looking in' is a good one to have.

Let's keep it calm folks, we all want the same thing here ;)
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brittish, that is, get your number of mate and cool down a tad
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British that isn't going to help our cause, kicking the s**t out of each other...
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imperial think before you say go outside and have a s**t in your outside toilet mate before you post u little billy elliot c**t seriously mate im actually readin what i post now , before potin ,
seriously id like buy ur little area to stick all p***s in it buddy ,


Outside Toliets? In Newcastle?

Have you ever travelled North? or would you be afraid all the Big Northern boys would hurt you :$

Its posting mate. "Potin" is not a word, maybe if you'd stayed in school past your Eleventh Birthday you meet know that ;)
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Right lads, I think we should take a 'time out' here, let each other calm down a bit and see how we feel in the cold light of day eh? ;)

Gonna lock the thread for now, see you all tomorrow, EDL for life - no surrender!
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Chill it lads. Getting ridiculous.
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