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Topic Started: Jan 12 2010, 09:48 PM (303 Views)
dickie
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please tell me why my daughter of 9 does not know the national anthem ,when asked the head master of the scholl he basicly told me co's multi-cultural now it could affend ......now i just looked at my daughters homework and there teaching her about ISLAM .....not impressed
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Jan 12 2010, 09:48 PM
please tell me why my daughter of 9 does not know the national anthem ,when asked the head master of the scholl he basicly told me co's multi-cultural now it could affend ......now i just looked at my daughters homework and there teaching her about ISLAM .....not impressed
The same is happening up and down the country Dickie, if your daughter has school dinners check out the meat served i bet its halal, so not to offend!!!
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but it is offedneding US you need complain
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i did ,that was the responce was told it was my job to teach her it and about the monarchy as she didnt know what the queen looked like (asked me who that lady was on tv)....thing is im in newmarket , suffolk and there hardly any musslims reside here as all jockies.so cant see the problem of teaching them ......could you also tell if there a edl based in this area.....
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I'd rather offend one person by doing something than by offending many by not.

At GCSE, people are required to take R.E. as a subject - a lot of them will have to study Christianity and Islam as part of it. When I did it, all it did was skip out the negatives - war and peace was one of the subjects and all we had to write about Islam is that it is peaceful, but it is active rather than passive. That was it. No detail. Even in full GCSE Jihad was never even mentioned - i'd say its a pretty big part considering the state of the Middle East etc.

cant rely on education to teach these things anymore!
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What I learnt in GCSE RE (I finished GCSE last year) was different religions views on issues such as medicine, IVF, war etc.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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You should complain to the school. Tell them you are a Christian and are offended that they are teaching about a heathen religion...bet your arse there would be complaints the other way around.
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It's up to us to educate our kids, you can't expect the middle-class self hating socialists who populate the teaching professions to educate our kids properly in patriotic matters.
My kids know who the Royal Family are, know the national anthem and also know how important it is to vote
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The national anthem should be Jerusalem in my honest opinion, the anthem brings tears to my eyes whenever I hear it. I'm sure alot more people would be patriotic if we had a national anthem that actually stir's emotion when you hear it.
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I do think we need a new national anthem. God save the queen? Come on we're not living 300 years ago, and she's got the entire military to protect her.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
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Jan 14 2010, 01:54 AM
I do think we need a new national anthem. God save the queen? Come on we're not living 300 years ago, and she's got the entire military to protect her.
f**k that mate, can you imagine what they would change it too? It would be some politically correct unpatriotic bollocks, anyone that questions the monarch is no better than the terrorists we seek to dispose of. Long live the Queen and the national anthem.
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I can see some Mullah now. World Cup, standing in the middle of the pitch singing some shit wobbly voiced cat screaming sound. Oh, wait, where did he go? What's that pile of bottles doing on the pitch ;)
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haha exactly, if Labour had their way that’s probably what would happen, doubt it would even be in faaackin english!!!!
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The schools are being used by our government to indoctrinate our young. The New World Order that they - the government are trying to build - requires that our youngster's heads be filled with this kind of nonesense. It's all part of the effort to destroy national identity and the nation state.

Maybe it's time we as parents (although mine have all long since left school!) formed our own independent schools, that taught real subjects and taught the basics of right and wrong and not the political ideals of the multiculturalist hatemongers.
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Jan 15 2010, 11:19 AM
Maybe it's time we as parents (although mine have all long since left school!) formed our own independent schools, that taught real subjects and taught the basics of right and wrong and not the political ideals of the multiculturalist hatemongers.
I think it's too late to be thinking about forming our own schools - much easier to just take back the ones we've got! But, in the meantime, every parent should be paying great attention to what their children are being taught at school - and correcting any PC crap that the teachers feed them. No parent can rely on teachers to give their children a positive introduction to Christianity or our own heritage; if they are mentioned at all, it will be in a negative light. It is up to parents to teach these things to their own children. Most of all though, it is up to parents to teach children 'not' to believe everything they are told by teachers; even if the teachers are good people who share our concerns, they will be hamstrung by PC rules that control everything they do and say.
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Jan 14 2010, 01:54 AM
I do think we need a new national anthem. God save the queen? Come on we're not living 300 years ago, and she's got the entire military to protect her.
Yeah? Change it to what? engerland, engerland, engerland..... engerland, engerland, engerlannnnndd :)

Don't start f**king with the national anthems. God Save the Queen, our Flags and our National Anthems!

As for this busines with schools! I have five kids, all in different years at school and yet every single one of them have been taught about Islam and how f**king peaceful it's suppoed to be! Yet I had to teach them the national anthem!

Schools don't teach kids about their roots any more. The history they're taught is politically correct bulls**t! The government curriculum is deliberately designed so that the patriotism is being bred out of our young! This is why our generation needs to sort it out!! Don't leave it to our kids to do, we need to sort it out, NOW!
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I reckon we need a new national anthem, God Save The Queen (and Land of Hope and Glory) is the most monotonous, boring and demoralising song of all time, the reason most people don't know it is because they don't bother remembering it as its so dreary.
I'm not religeous and I think the idea of a monarchy being better than the rest of us by accident of birth is bollocks, so God Save the Queen does'nt do it for me.
New anthems ? How about "Jerusalem" or the Angelic Upstarts "England" ?
Any more suggestions ?
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I got no problem with singing God Save the Queen at British events but I won't sing at English events. England, like our neighbours, needs a national anthem just for ourselves.

Jerusalem, Angelic Upstarts - England or EngeeerlandEngeeeerland, I'd happily sing any of these.
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dickie
Jan 12 2010, 09:48 PM
please tell me why my daughter of 9 does not know the national anthem ,when asked the head master of the scholl he basicly told me co's multi-cultural now it could affend ......now i just looked at my daughters homework and there teaching her about ISLAM .....not impressed
and no doubt being force fed that cruel form of ritualistic slaughter in the school dining room. hal-al meat (or if the poor animals could talk would be called hell-al meat)
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This is disgusting. But, I think it also up to the parents to bring the children up to love the country they are in. They'll listen to the parents more than the lefties who are too scared to insult others.
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:D I wasn't on about a modern day themed anthem. But something like 'Jerusalem', or 'I vow to thee, my country'. In my opinion, they're more patriotic. :P

Edited by Zcott, Jan 15 2010, 03:39 PM.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
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This is all giving me an idea.....i might quiz my younger sister who is still in school what they are actually teaching.....and ask her some general knowledge questions about England which everyone should know the answer to.....and if it doesnt seem satisfactory, i would go up to the school, and go:

"Remember me? thats right....its me....i did your head in a few years back....and im back for more, but this time ive actually got purpose......."

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All the none-believers are spitting in our face, A brutal attack on our way of living,
Only with one major difference, this time, its coming from the inside, From our own people.

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I quite like i vow to thee my country especially the politically incorrrect second verse

I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;
The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test,
That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

I heard my country calling, away across the sea,
Across the waste of waters she calls and calls to me.
Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,
And round her feet are lying the dying and the dead.
I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns,
I haste to thee my mother, a son among thy sons.

And there's another country, I've heard of long ago,
Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.
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If it ain't broken don't f**k about with it. God save the Queen
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Jan 15 2010, 02:44 PM
I got no problem with singing God Save the Queen at British events but I won't sing at English events. England, like our neighbours, needs a national anthem just for ourselves.

Jerusalem, Angelic Upstarts - England or EngeeerlandEngeeeerland, I'd happily sing any of these.
Angelic Upstarts, England..... TUUUUUNE....... Brings back memories....
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Jan 15 2010, 04:51 AM
anyone that questions the monarch is no better than the terrorists we seek to dispose of. Long live the Queen and the national anthem.
i think opposing something as undemocratic as a monarch (and denying divine right) is somewhat different from supporting nutjobs who want to blow up innocents.
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being Dutch, I offcourse have nothing to say about your national anthem....but I do anyway.
It is not exactly uplifting and it sounds a bit desparate and scared. I like Jerusalem, and also land of hope and glory better.
Cant say much though, in the Dutch national anthem they say that we are actually sort of german!!!
(Which I dont really mind tbh, I could'n care less.......)
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Jan 22 2010, 02:25 PM
being Dutch, I offcourse have nothing to say about your national anthem....but I do anyway.
It is not exactly uplifting and it sounds a bit desparate and scared. I like Jerusalem, and also land of hope and glory better.
Cant say much though, in the Dutch national anthem they say that we are actually sort of german!!!
(Which I dont really mind tbh, I could'n care less.......)
isnt there also a line about the king of spain in your national anthem?
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Jan 22 2010, 03:07 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 02:25 PM
being Dutch, I offcourse have nothing to say about your national anthem....but I do anyway.
It is not exactly uplifting and it sounds a bit desparate and scared. I like Jerusalem, and also land of hope and glory better.
Cant say much though, in the Dutch national anthem they say that we are actually sort of german!!!
(Which I dont really mind tbh, I could'n care less.......)
isnt there also a line about the king of spain in your national anthem?

Thats right, the last sentence of the first of the first verse end with "I have always honoured the king of Spain"...

Ben ik van Duitsen (german) bloed should be ben ik van Dietschen (dutch) bloed, so somebody started to not use the right words anymore and that causes a lot of confusion now.
The Spanish sentance: Allthough an honourable fight, William the first of Orange was fighting the Spanish. Protestant against catholic thing as well. A confusing lot centuries ago !!
Edited by FRNL, Jan 22 2010, 04:40 PM.
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The National anthem is anything but. It is not actually official. It's been used since the restoration when it was written back in the 1680's or earlier and is not official, just been used out of respect to the monarchy.
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Jan 22 2010, 02:25 PM
being Dutch, I offcourse have nothing to say about your national anthem....but I do anyway.
It is not exactly uplifting and it sounds a bit desparate and scared. I like Jerusalem, and also land of hope and glory better.
Cant say much though, in the Dutch national anthem they say that we are actually sort of german!!!
(Which I dont really mind tbh, I could'n care less.......)
mate aint we all a bit German being anglo's saxons, freisians etc! ?
I thought you were still in debate about the krauts returning your bikes anyway? !!!
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Jan 13 2010, 10:43 AM
It's up to us to educate our kids, you can't expect the middle-class self hating socialists who populate the teaching professions to educate our kids properly in patriotic matters.
My kids know who the Royal Family are, know the national anthem and also know how important it is to vote
Well said Villa............... The PC crowd needs to go.
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I worry about the state of the Union when i hear people wanting to get rid of 'God Save The Queen'. They have mentioned a few times that a separate anthem should be used in Northern Ireland. I can only imagine with horror what utter bowel clenching, communist, hippy crap would be forced on us. We are more than happy with 'God Save The Queen'. She is our Queen and we are her loyal subjects. In Ulster we sing it at the closing of meetings, partys, discos, lodges, parades etc. Englishmen should sing it with pride.

O Lord our God arise,
Scatter her enemies
And make them fall;
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their papish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
Oh, save us all!

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The National Anthem,still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end,some people dont realise there are 2 verses?,but I must admit I do like a good rendition of Jerusalem.
I vow to thee, my country—all earthly things above—
Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;
The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test,
That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

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Jan 13 2010, 01:20 AM
I'd rather offend one person by doing something than by offending many by not.

At GCSE, people are required to take R.E. as a subject - a lot of them will have to study Christianity and Islam as part of it. When I did it, all it did was skip out the negatives - war and peace was one of the subjects and all we had to write about Islam is that it is peaceful, but it is active rather than passive. That was it. No detail. Even in full GCSE Jihad was never even mentioned - i'd say its a pretty big part considering the state of the Middle East etc.

cant rely on education to teach these things anymore!
I'm currently half-way through my course, and i picked it optionally, I had the choice if i wanted to or not.. 8 people in my class.

We've never done anything about Islam, just Case studies on Christianity, such as 'What would a Christain say on the matter of Abortion' and stuff like that..
The closest we've got to talking about Islam, or Jihad is the part of the course called War & Peace.. which is pretty self explanatory.

We did most of the religious side to the war in history. Their was part of the course in which i had to write an essay about the motives of the
9/11 terrorist attacks against the USA, so i wrote about how Bin Ladens religion was a big part of the problem, and why he held a grudge against the US. From what my History teacher told me, Apparently the US in the 1970's were going around middle-eastern countries trying to turn muslims into a christain way of life. If none of this is true, feel free to enlighten me. :D

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God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us:
God save the Queen.

O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all.

Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign:
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen.

although i like as an unoffical anthem

No One Likes Us, No One Likes Us, No One Likes Us – We Don't Care!
We Are Britons, Super Britons, We Are Britons From Great Britain!
No One Likes Us, No One Likes Us, No One Likes Us – We Don't Care!
We Are Britons, Super Britons, We Are Britons From Great Britain!
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Jan 12 2010, 09:48 PM
please tell me why my daughter of 9 does not know the national anthem ,when asked the head master of the scholl he basicly told me co's multi-cultural now it could affend ......now i just looked at my daughters homework and there teaching her about ISLAM .....not impressed
You should've taught her the national anthem just as you should be teaching her our culture and history.
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Were you aware our Queen along with Tony Blair has passed England over to the EU. It can be shown both are guilty of treason, our Queen now has no more reverance than a pop star.

Once you understand that, the lyrics of our national anthem are a joke, it makes us into fools.
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