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When did islamic extremism start in the UK
Topic Started: Jan 3 2010, 02:35 PM (298 Views)
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I read on the net from someone from Leeds who said that it was the early 1980's that islamic extremism started to bubble underneath the surface in England or more to the point in Leeds ????.
He says that mate, when i was at college in leeds in the early 80s the tension was already starting to brew under the surface. previously, the asians had been pretty quiet compared to the caribbeans, but then many of the uk born generation of asians rebelled against their parents' culture. then many of these rebels became disillusioned with 'western' culture and rebounded back to a version of islam that was far more radical than that of their parents.

But i have have read other stuff on the internet that the asians in the early 80's where just forming groups to defend against right-wing Skinheads and it was the mid to late 1980's that things started to change amongst some asian's became more militant esp when Rushdie 's book came out in 1988.

What do you think.
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My first memory of Islamic extremism was the Salman Rushdie affair with his satanic verses in 1988.
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Around 1980,the year after the Islamic Revolution in Iran.I distinctly remember driving around Leicester and seeing women in burkas,not many of them at first, but at the time I thought they were Muslim nuns or part of some fanatical sect.Rushdie's book was also a turning point as it gave Muslims something to be angry about.

Things started get really bad after the first Gulf war and the real nail in the coffin was the current goverment's distasterous immigration polices and implementation of political correctness.
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Jan 3 2010, 03:47 PM
Around 1980,the year after the Islamic Revolution in Iran.I distinctly remember driving around Leicester and seeing women in burkas,not many of them at first, but at the time I thought they were Muslim nuns or part of some fanatical sect.Rushdie's book was also a turning point as it gave Muslims something to be angry about.

Things started get really bad after the first Gulf war and the real nail in the coffin was the current goverment's distasterous immigration polices and implementation of political correctness.
God 1980 thats mad as i thought the burka thing was a late 1990's onwards thing,was it the full face burka.The local muslim girls up my street sometimes wore loose headscarfs alongside westrn clothing.
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I read some where that muslims had a base on and island of Cornwall in the 17th Century from where they would launch rapist and Jihad attacks on the coast - Not sure if its true or not

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Read the Koran or about Mohammed lads. Know your enemy.

In the Koran Mohammed who was an excellent warlord, was extremely ruthless, cruel and preverted. In addition to countless examples of beheading, mutilating and torturing enemies he also tells his Muslims to live quietly in foreign lands, to eat, sleep and work with infidels until the time is ready to strike with the objective of world domination. Sounds a little like sleeper cells in Bradford etc...

Mohammed was born in 570 AD, however the religion of Islam was founded by Mohammed in his prophectic career which began at age 40 in 610 AD (sounds like a mid-life crisis to me). He died in 632 AD, so give or take a few years, Islamic extremisim has been around since 610 AD.

Most Muslims couldnt tell you this and neither would the BBC or any other main media outlet as they are all cowards. It is forbidden to translate ancient arabic Koran text to modern languages such as as the ever popular, ENGLISH. Therefore Muslims trust their wholesome Imans for interpretaions of what the Koran says and mean...

Islam is distinctly different from everyother religion, Islam actually translates to 'submit' or 'submission'. Islams purpose is not only to control your religious beliefs, it is also to control every aspect of your life via Sharia Law, which governs what you wear, to what bank you use to how much money you are allowed to earn or spend. Burkhas are not traditional dress for women, when Mohammed was on earth women never wore them, they were introduced through sharia law to humilate and degrade women. THIS IS ALL FACTS LADS.

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Many of you will find the following link useful. It's the story of a UK Muslim's travel from having no real religious belief, to going through a religious stage, then an 'activist' stage, then a moderate stage, and then finally to apostasy and becoming an ex-Muslim. It is a 'very' good read and taught me a lot. The whole story is over 12 not too long pages. Go through them in order when you have time. The link here is to page 4 - 'Growth of Activism' - which begins in 1981 and is most relevant to this thread.

http://abooali.wordpress.com/86/
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Jan 3 2010, 04:32 PM
I read some where that muslims had a base on and island of Cornwall in the 17th Century from where they would launch rapist and Jihad attacks on the coast - Not sure if its true or not

http://www.historyofjihad.org/britain.html?bl=showcase
Thats Lundy island just of the Bristol Channel.
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Around 1645 Barbary Pirates under command of the Dutch renegade Jan Janszoon operating from the Moroccan port of Salé occupied Lundy, before he was expelled by the Penn. During this time there were reports of captured slaves being sent to Algiers and of the Islamic flag flying over Lundy.
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I can still clearly remember watching the embassy siege as a kid
and the murder of WPC Yvonne Fletcher at the hands of the PLO
That was my first memories of Islamic terrorism in Britain.
I maybe wrong but being so young at the time it seemed like their was an airliner blown up everyday by those bastards.
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Jan 3 2010, 05:53 PM
Many of you will find the following link useful. It's the story of a UK Muslim's travel from having no real religious belief, to going through a religious stage, then an 'activist' stage, then a moderate stage, and then finally to apostasy and becoming an ex-Muslim. It is a 'very' good read and taught me a lot. The whole story is over 12 not too long pages. Go through them in order when you have time. The link here is to page 4 - 'Growth of Activism' - which begins in 1981 and is most relevant to this thread.

http://abooali.wordpress.com/86/
Ah,Hassan's blog.I have read most of it before,really good read and it does give you an insight into Islam.I found chapter three to be the most interesting,re:The Sufi Path.Spoken to him on another forum.He is a very intelligent guy but his approach is completely different to that of the EDL and he does lean towards the left,not in the lunatic UAF way, but he is certainly not a fan of nationalism.
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In response to the OP, whenever the first Muslims came here.
Islam is a supremacist, violent and deeply stupid ideology littered with contradictions (this can be 'explained' with abrogation) and wholly incompatible with Western Democracy (this in turn can be countered using Cultural Relativism and Moral Equivalence ).

A pocket Guide intro into the ROP - http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html

(Apologies if posted previously).

This insane belief system is a proven, historical blight upon every civilisation wherever it has landed its massive, greasy arse . While there maybe moderate Muslims there is NO MODERATE ISLAM.

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Jan 3 2010, 02:35 PM
I read on the net from someone from Leeds who said that it was the early 1980's that islamic extremism started to bubble underneath the surface in England or more to the point in Leeds ????.
He says that mate, when i was at college in leeds in the early 80s the tension was already starting to brew under the surface. previously, the asians had been pretty quiet compared to the caribbeans, but then many of the uk born generation of asians rebelled against their parents' culture. then many of these rebels became disillusioned with 'western' culture and rebounded back to a version of islam that was far more radical than that of their parents.

But i have have read other stuff on the internet that the asians in the early 80's where just forming groups to defend against right-wing Skinheads and it was the mid to late 1980's that things started to change amongst some asian's became more militant esp when Rushdie 's book came out in 1988.

What do you think.
"Asians" and "Muslims" are two different things, though most Muslims are Asian, but that's not the point...

The British media needs to stop using the term "Asian" when referring to Muslims. It just confuses people and makes them think we're all animals.


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Jan 4 2010, 03:32 AM
"Asians" and "Muslims" are two different things, though most Muslims are Asian, but that's not the point...

The British media needs to stop using the term "Asian" when referring to Muslims. It just confuses people and makes them think we're all animals.
The Sikh lads I used to drink with never liked to be called "Asian"!
"Sikh" or "Indian" was fine, but "Asian" really annoyed them!
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Jan 4 2010, 04:03 AM
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Jan 4 2010, 03:32 AM
"Asians" and "Muslims" are two different things, though most Muslims are Asian, but that's not the point...

The British media needs to stop using the term "Asian" when referring to Muslims. It just confuses people and makes them think we're all animals.
The Sikh lads I used to drink with never liked to be called "Asian"!
"Sikh" or "Indian" was fine, but "Asian" really annoyed them!
Lol, most probably because most people think of "Muslim" and "Asian" as the same.

It's quite sad really.


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you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers."

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Jan 4 2010, 12:02 AM
Ah,Hassan's blog.I have read most of it before,really good read and it does give you an insight into Islam.I found chapter three to be the most interesting,re:The Sufi Path.Spoken to him on another forum.He is a very intelligent guy but his approach is completely different to that of the EDL and he does lean towards the left,not in the lunatic UAF way, but he is certainly not a fan of nationalism.
Yep, Hassan's the Man! :)

I'll pop his blog up as a separate topic because it really is enlightening and I'm sure most people will learn from it. The link is sort of lost in this thread.
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I think before the Rushdie affair in 1988 there was a small and growing group of Muslims wanting to follow a so called pure path of islam and didn't want to intergrate with western society but they didn't want to blow planes up or cause the UK harm and they seemed no different from followers of another stupid cult like Haredi Judaism in which we have had in England for a number of years.The militant bollocks seemed to creep in slowly around the Rushdie protests.
It also says that Captain Hook AKA Abu Hamza set out to fight in Afghanistan in 1984 when from other sources i have read it wasn't till he moved to Brighton in 1986 to do a degree in civil engineering at the local polytechnic.He went to the local mosque and asked the imam whether he could stay there and help with chores in return for a small amount of rent.

Imam Sajid was in charge at the time.

"He was a good looking man, well built and very polite but he had no understanding whatsoever of Islam," he said.

Radicalisation
Abu Hamza continued with his studies but Imam Sajid noticed a sudden change in the student after he started mixing with Algerians at the mosque. They were part of a movement which wanted an Islamic state back home.
"Hamza would listen to the Algerians and was influenced by them. He started a study circle involving up to 10 other people and we started getting complaints about his extreme views," he said.
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Jan 4 2010, 12:02 AM
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Jan 3 2010, 05:53 PM
Many of you will find the following link useful. It's the story of a UK Muslim's travel from having no real religious belief, to going through a religious stage, then an 'activist' stage, then a moderate stage, and then finally to apostasy and becoming an ex-Muslim. It is a 'very' good read and taught me a lot. The whole story is over 12 not too long pages. Go through them in order when you have time. The link here is to page 4 - 'Growth of Activism' - which begins in 1981 and is most relevant to this thread.

http://abooali.wordpress.com/86/
Ah,Hassan's blog.I have read most of it before,really good read and it does give you an insight into Islam.I found chapter three to be the most interesting,re:The Sufi Path.Spoken to him on another forum.He is a very intelligent guy but his approach is completely different to that of the EDL and he does lean towards the left,not in the lunatic UAF way, but he is certainly not a fan of nationalism.

Thanks for that link. That is a good read.

Have you ever read The Islamist? It's a simular type of thing, only in more detail.

Link: The Islamist
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I think the January 14 1986 was the start of the extremism in England as thats when Omar Bakri Muhammed came into this country and started Hizb ut-Tahrir.

I think the english University are to blame for the mess this country is in be it the former students running the country and the islamic pricks who where allowed in study at them as well as starting this stupid and dangerous groups.
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The link here is to page 4 - 'Growth of Activism' - which begins in 1981 and is most relevant to this thread.

http://abooali.wordpress.com/86/
Ah,Hassan's blog.I have read most of it before,really good read and it does give you an insight into Islam.

Thanks for that link. That is a good read.

Have you ever read The Islamist? It's a simular type of thing, only in more detail.

Link: The Islamist
You're welcome for the link morgana. :)

I haven't read 'The Islamist' yet, although I do intend to. It looks like a good read.
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I think the January 14 1986 was the start of the extremism in England as thats when Omar Bakri Muhammed came into this country and started Hizb ut-Tahrir.

I think the english University are to blame for the mess this country is in be it the former students running the country and the islamic pricks who where allowed in study at them as well as starting this stupid and dangerous groups.
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I was in Bradford in 1980 - 1986 time, in general the asian/muslim thing was low key but I did have a college friend that was always calling whities racist, just to get the upperhand, but I could detect a real hatred of whites deep down. Basically he was the racist.
That is a good point about Sikhs/Indian distinction, I noticed that too, they have their own agenda.

However I suspect the Satanic Verse book triggered the change, a coming together of hot head muslims in the UK.
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I was in Bradford in 1980 - 1986 time, in general the asian/muslim thing was low key but I did have a college friend that was always calling whities racist, just to get the upperhand, but I could detect a real hatred of whites deep down. Basically he was the racist.
That is a good point about Sikhs/Indian distinction, I noticed that too, they have their own agenda.

However I suspect the Satanic Verse book triggered the change, a coming together of hot head muslims in the UK.
Good post i think most of the 80's didn't have us living in the fear that we have now and that was the same with the 1990's in my eyes.
Talked to a guy who was a Skinhead in the late 70's/early 80's and he saw nothing extremists but said by the mid/late 80's in the Eastend the Cockneys where moving out in big numbers and the Asians wheremoving in/getting bigger.
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rudeboyJan 3 2010, 01:35 PM
I read on the net from someone from Leeds who said that it was the early 1980's that islamic extremism started to bubble underneath the surface in England or more to the point in Leeds ????.
He says that mate, when i was at college in leeds in the early 80s the tension was already starting to brew under the surface. previously, the asians had been pretty quiet compared to the caribbeans, but then many of the uk born generation of asians rebelled against their parents' culture. then many of these rebels became disillusioned with 'western' culture and rebounded back to a version of islam that was far more radical than that of their parents.

But i have have read other stuff on the internet that the asians in the early 80's where just forming groups to defend against right-wing Skinheads and it was the mid to late 1980's that things started to change amongst some asian's became more militant esp when Rushdie 's book came out in 1988.



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rudeboyJan 3 2010, 01:35 PM
I read on the net from someone from Leeds who said that it was the early 1980's that islamic extremism started to bubble underneath the surface in England or more to the point in Leeds ????.
He says that mate, when i was at college in leeds in the early 80s the tension was already starting to brew under the surface. previously, the asians had been pretty quiet compared to the caribbeans, but then many of the uk born generation of asians rebelled against their parents' culture. then many of these rebels became disillusioned with 'western' culture and rebounded back to a version of islam that was far more radical than that of their parents.

But i have have read other stuff on the internet that the asians in the early 80's where just forming groups to defend against right-wing Skinheads and it was the mid to late 1980's that things started to change amongst some asian's became more militant esp when Rushdie 's book came out in 1988.



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We can't forget that it happened much much earlier than the Sep. 11 attacks, Al Queada cells had already started operating in the USA at least a decade earlier, remember the attempt at blowing up the World Trade Centre in the 90s, I think they tried to put a bomb in the carpark or something. But we could even say that islamic extremism occurred much earlier on when the advocates of islam began spreading their ideas, with the help of the book and the sword, moreso the sword.

Their spread was very rapid, which is why it led to blows with the christian kingdom at a relatively early stage. Contrast this to christianity which spread out peacefully at first, and only sought religious violence when the muslims began attacking our cities.
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Haven't read all these comments, but I left school in 82, and my comprehensive was already starting to be invaded by muslims! I come from a working class Birmingham estate, which was predominantly white' but with a small, but vocal, and well integrated Afro-caribbean minority. We got along OK at school, it was the years of 2tone, and Ska etc, but we also had the odd fight! However, when they started shipping in pakistani muslims from a neighbouring area (no secrets! it was Alum Rock!), then we saw a difference! They would NOT integrate! caused animosity, and on the whole, didn't fit in at all! arrogant! thought they were better! and we had mini-racial riots! 'Paki-bashing' we called it! and I now realise that's an awfull use of language, but it was a direct response to being confronted with an 'alien' group, who had no interest in becoming British, and kept themselves separate!Now, I appreciate, the debate was about ' radical' muslims?! but to behonest, I can't possibly see how a religion, that believes itself to have the very 'words of god', and considers everyone else to have it WRONG! can be anything other than 'Extremist'! They can not live alongside anyone else!!!! look at the world? on every border, THEY are in conflict!!!
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Haven't read all these comments, but I left school in 82, and my comprehensive was already starting to be invaded by muslims! I come from a working class Birmingham estate, which was predominantly white' but with a small, but vocal, and well integrated Afro-caribbean minority. We got along OK at school, it was the years of 2tone, and Ska etc, but we also had the odd fight! However, when they started shipping in pakistani muslims from a neighbouring area (no secrets! it was Alum Rock!), then we saw a difference! They would NOT integrate! caused animosity, and on the whole, didn't fit in at all! arrogant! thought they were better! and we had mini-racial riots! 'Paki-bashing' we called it! and I now realise that's an awfull use of language, but it was a direct response to being confronted with an 'alien' group, who had no interest in becoming British, and kept themselves separate!Now, I appreciate, the debate was about ' radical' muslims?! but to behonest, I can't possibly see how a religion, that believes itself to have the very 'words of god', and considers everyone else to have it WRONG! can be anything other than 'Extremist'! They can not live alongside anyone else!!!! look at the world? on every border, THEY are in conflict!!!
s**t that's early.
**** Bashing was a known thing in the late 70's/early 80s.
The thing about them then was they where more like the Orthodox Jew's who didn't want to mix (and they where strong in the 1930's/40's)and not the militant or american style asian gangs that we have now and prob have for the past 15 years.
The Chinese never mixed but there seemed to never get s**t.
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