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Sex with Animals and Kids - Muslim Rules
Topic Started: Jan 2 2010, 08:31 PM (1,097 Views)
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Good find on the Iranian laws. When I put that challenge out to you, I did not expect you to come back so quickly. I'm going to have to re-read what you have written about the various distinctions in crime (Hadd, Zina).

However, just because the meat is declared haram, I still do not see that as a condemnation of the crime. I get your point that the financial loss to the shagger might be seen as a punishment. However, even that is moot - if he was to sell it on to non-muslims for a full price, then there's no loss to him (apart from in the bedroom/stable).
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Dec 21 2010, 11:14 AM
Good find on the Iranian laws. When I put that challenge out to you, I did not expect you to come back so quickly.
I have been saying for quite some time, that I did not believe the stories that Khomeini wrote it was okay to bonk animals, because he kept strictly to the koran and the hadithes, so it did not make sense, that he should condone bestiality when the hadithes states death for it. So for me it was a good find to see that it is included in the Iranian law. So it seems that Iran where ahead of Britain in making bestiality illegal.

Any way people here seem to forget Stephen Clarke (british) who arrested a while back in Washington state at what investigators say was a farm (not the same as I cited earlier) where visitors could have sex with animals. Then Joseph Squires from Leicester admits having sex with a horse and a donkey also Mark Woollen's misdemeanours with Molly the horse

What is hypocritical is the OP paints all muslims as animal fcukers and many just follow along, then stay silent when clear evidence shows other wise. They like to use islamic scriptures to prove mohammed was a pedo, I have done like wise to prove that bestiality is forbidden.




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Dec 22 2010, 06:56 PM
What is hypocritical is the OP paints all muslims as animal fcukers and many just follow along, then stay silent when clear evidence shows other wise. They like to use islamic scriptures to prove mohammed was a pedo, I have done like wise to prove that bestiality is forbidden.
I think some of that comes out of frustration - frustration that nothing has been done for the last 20 years about the rising challenges to civilisation in the west. Twenty years of the educated, professional middle class doing nothing to stop the spread of islam throughout Britain, followed by the utmost betrayal by the so-called socialist Labour Party.

It is right to point out when people are making stuff up, using poor logic, being hypocritical, etc.

IMO it is not a question of demonising muslims. It is a question of focusing our attention on explicitly fascist organisations like Hizb ut Tahrir, and all the implicitly fascist, pro-sharia organisations in Britain.

Turning muslims into monsters is going to play well with people who are given to hatred, but it won't play well with people who like to see themselves as tolerant (never mind that they are tolerating intolerance).

Part of why I'm involved with EDL is because I see that unless we do something to stop it, we are heading for a terrible future, where there is going to be so much violence and disorder. The quicker we can get those human beings who are muslims out of islam, the better.
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That's probably the reason the women wear burkas if the men would rather bang a donkey! We should make a banner for the MDL of a man shaggin a donkey with a red line through it like a no smoking sign, that would be amusing, any takers on this? :)
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There is a serious side to this that most here completely over look

The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC), is, as mentioned on other threads trying to shut down any criticisms of Islam, myself I do not think they will succeed, but there are many other organizations out there that are also doing this through law-fare , that do have a lot of clout, one only has to look at google advertisements and see how much money google are getting from these organizations.

So the risk is any one of these groups can put pressure on google to remove from their search engine sites that are defaming islam or muslims. If this should happen then a lot of sites run the risk of being blocked, especially if the claim that islam condone bestiality and call mohammedans goat fckers, as there are hadithes that condemn the practice. There are many sites that try and say that it is permitted, and give quotes, yet should the quotes be read properly, it is very clear that they concern cleaning in the event the such an event should happen.

Calling mohammedans goat fckers and claiming islam permits this vile act can be classed as hate speech. In a court of law, you will win if you are being tried for saying islam allows pedophillia, as the are enough surah and hadithes to support your claim. Not so in the case of bestiality, there are hadithes that call for the death penalty, they maybe weak, but never-less they are there, and you will lose, especially when Iran treats this matter far more seriously than Britain. In britain the punishment may be two years, but the offenders are only tagged, where as Iran, it is classed as Hadd, which is a very serious offense and does carry the death penalty, in accordance with the hadithes

Some may think it is funny, others as an expression of disgust towards islam, but is it necessary on a forum that is attempting to make people aware of islam.

What should be discussed instead is the islamic punishment for this vile act too harsh and wrong, like it is towards adultery and gays
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Dec 23 2010, 10:55 AM
There is a serious side to this that most here completely over look

The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC), is, as mentioned on other threads trying to shut down any criticisms of Islam, myself I do not think they will succeed, but there are many other organizations out there that are also doing this through law-fare , that do have a lot of clout, one only has to look at google advertisements and see how much money google are getting from these organizations.

So the risk is any one of these groups can put pressure on google to remove from their search engine sites that are defaming islam or muslims.
I completely agree.

In fact the issue is far more serious than you have stated. It's not just a question of not being listed in Google. It is about pressure being put on Zetaboards to shut the forum. If EDL moves away from Zetaboards to their own hosted server, then the pressure can be put on that hosting company to stop "hosting hate speech".

Without being able to circumvent the mass media, EDL will fail. Having direct access via the web is what has allowed EDL to grow, and more than that, has allowed EDL to transform the representation of EDL in the mass media. Without that autonomy and control, EDL could just be vilified and there would be no recourse.

By all means people should put forward criticism of islam, but that criticism should be challenged. That way EDL's message and content grow stronger. What has been achieved in 12 months is extraordinary - from alleged "neo-nazi organisation" to "anti-islamist organisation". EDL has been able to wear down the media bias and vilification.
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Dec 23 2010, 06:45 PM
By all means people should put forward criticism of islam, but that criticism should be challenged. That way EDL's message and content grow stronger. What has been achieved in 12 months is extraordinary - from alleged "neo-nazi organisation" to "anti-islamist organisation". EDL has been able to wear down the media bias and vilification.
Good to see some one here sees the point.

There has been a lot of work by a lot of good people here, and thanks to them EDL has come a long way.

Making jokes about mecca being nuked, calling mohammedans goat-fcukers and muzzies does put all that hard work at risk.

I ask you is it worth the risk

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