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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 2 2010, 08:31 PM (1,096 Views) | |
| Old War Dog | Jan 2 2010, 08:31 PM Post #1 |
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Don’t let them deny it, it’s right there in the holy books. It says in their Hadith that they can have sex with animals. There are even rules for it!! Let me quote now from a fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran. Paedophilia "A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister." Bestiality Is there a proper Muslim way to have sex with animals? Indeed, there is! Guidelines for sex with animals can be found in the writings of Ayatollah Khomeini. Two excerpts from his writings serve to clarify the matter. "A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." Don't the buyers deserve a discount of some kind? Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 "If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned." What if it was really good and invites another lap or two? Must animals always be one-night stands? Now, if you want more proof, other than actual quotes from their scriptures and leaders, then how about actual footage of a Muslim man and a mule: Now, those of you who know me may think I'm just posting this thread to poke fun at Islam or to just basically have a laugh at Islam's expense. That's not my reason! I find it disturbing that a civilised society allows a 7th century, paedophilic, beastiality religion to occupy our shores and dictate to us their laws and beastly principles!! I'm disgusted by Islam every URL I click, every article I read, every time an Islamist opens his gobsh*te mouth!! Edited by Old War Dog, Jan 2 2010, 08:38 PM.
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| Old War Dog | Jan 2 2010, 11:34 PM Post #2 |
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CAIR press release cites claim that "Muslims have sex with animals" ..."and are obsessed with killing Jews" ... http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/41 |
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| Span | Jan 2 2010, 11:41 PM Post #3 |
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shouldnt this be in the religion section not general chat? |
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| Old War Dog | Jan 2 2010, 11:50 PM Post #4 |
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I've never even seen a religion section but I guess it'd be more suited to a "Islamic Faith Discussions" type section. Maybe a mod can move it? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 3 2010, 12:57 AM Post #5 |
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oooh donkey
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| yabbadabbagoo | Jan 3 2010, 10:42 AM Post #6 |
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What ever section it is in they are a bunch of sick bastards.. |
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| Old War Dog | Jan 3 2010, 12:28 PM Post #7 |
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sick 'buggers' you mean
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| yabbadabbagoo | Jan 3 2010, 12:38 PM Post #8 |
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No I mean sick bastards. The buggery is a seperate issue. It don`t get a lot sicker than nonsing kids and animals.. |
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| Old War Dog | Jan 3 2010, 12:52 PM Post #9 |
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Yeah, that's true. It makes you wonder why some people actually convert to Islam, considering their noncing, beasting, mass-murdering desires. |
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| Old War Dog | Jan 3 2010, 03:03 PM Post #10 |
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I found a link to the actual Hadith that documents the rules for having sex with animals: http://www.investigateislam.com/ebooks1.htm This is taken from the an official hadith as its from SAUDIA ARABIA GOV ISLAMIC SITE!! The hadith translation to English Commentary of Imam Al-Nawawi on the Hadith "The saying of the prophet – peace be upon him- ‘When he site between a her fours legs!) mostly its home animal (shu’biha Al-arba) and intercourse her then fatigues her’" "If a woman inserts (in her vagina) AN ANIMAL’S PENIS she must wash, and if she inserts A DETACHED PENIS (thakaran maktu-an, lit. “a severed male member”; a marital aid perhaps!?) there are two opinions; the most correct is that she must wash." "Our companions have said that if the penile head has penetrated A WOMAN’S ANUS, or A MAN’S ANUS, or AN ANIMAL’S VAGINA or ITS ANUS then it is necessary to wash whether the one being penetrated is alive OR DEAD, YOUNG OR OLD, whether it was done intentionally or absentmindedly, whether it was done willfully or forcefully. This also applies if the woman places the male member inside her while the man is asleep, whether the penis is erect or not, whether the penis is circumcised or uncircumcised. All these situations require that the person committing the act and the one the act is committed on must wash themselves, unless the person committing the act or the person the act is committed on is a young male or female. In that case it cannot be said that the person must wash, for they do not have the responsibility, rather it is said that this person is in a state of impurity. If that person can discern (the sexual act) then his guardian can command him to wash just as he commands him to perform the ablution washing for prayers. For if he prays without washing, his prayer has not been performed correctly; likewise if he doesn’t wash after he reaches puberty he must be forced to wash. If he washed as a youth and then reaches puberty, then he does not have to repeat the washing." Here is the actual hadith in Arabic: http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=1&ID=75883&SearchText=%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%AF%D9%87%D8%A7&SearchType=exact&Scope=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8&Offset=0&SearchLevel=Allword Edited by Old War Dog, Jan 3 2010, 03:09 PM.
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| Deleted User | Jan 3 2010, 03:22 PM Post #11 |
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SICK,SICK, BASTARDS..... I'm speechless..... |
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| Old War Dog | Jan 3 2010, 03:26 PM Post #12 |
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You're speechless, my wife seen me typing in "Muslim Animal Sex" in Google and thought I'd developed a new fetish ![]() lol... Showed her the Hadith and how Muslim's are allowed to have sex with dead animals, "So long as they wash afterwards" and she's fcuking disgusted by it too. Yet, we allow them into our country to dictate their morals to us!! |
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| LC75 | Jan 3 2010, 04:58 PM Post #13 |
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thats just sick! tell me what pleasure they get from doing these acts im confussed:/ |
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| Old War Dog | Jan 3 2010, 05:03 PM Post #14 |
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Well, you have to remember there are some pretty harsh rules surrounding Muslim women. It's not like in our culture where you can go out, get to know someone a little and have extra marital sex with them. In the Muslim world, if you have sex with a woman yourun the risk of execution, especially the woman! So, the chances of having sex with a woman if you're not married (apart from rape which is also commonplace in Islam for the same reasons) is slim. So, they're allowed to take out their frustrations on animals. |
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| hops | Jan 3 2010, 05:12 PM Post #15 |
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did`nt that mad ayatollah k sanction this s**t in his teachings?
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| LC75 | Jan 3 2010, 05:14 PM Post #16 |
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lol my wife would divorce me if she saw me googling that! brave man |
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| Old War Dog | Jan 3 2010, 05:20 PM Post #17 |
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Yes he did, it's well documented. He sanctioned paedophilia and also sex with animals. |
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| Old War Dog | Jan 3 2010, 05:22 PM Post #18 |
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Yeah, her face did drop, she understand though, I do tell her how sick Islam is and she understands why I am devoted to the erradication of all Islamists, especially the donkey fcuking, paedo child molesting, mass-murdering, wife-beating type!! Edited by Old War Dog, Jan 3 2010, 05:23 PM.
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| hops | Jan 3 2010, 05:23 PM Post #19 |
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thought so.dirty c**t. |
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| missy100 | Jun 14 2010, 09:26 PM Post #20 |
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one word 'sick' |
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| WATPBRIAN | Jun 14 2010, 11:59 PM Post #21 |
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these are sick people! Peado islamic bastards! |
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| made in England | Jun 15 2010, 02:44 PM Post #22 |
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No folks youve misunderstood them, thats all part n parcel of their wonderful cultrial identity which we all also have to recognize and embrace. Dont dare speak out against their valued customs and traditions else you will be tarred with the racist brush Several months ago my son whilst at college during a culture and communication lesson was the only one out of all his class to make his views known regarding this abomination he was then immediately told to leave the class because he had been disrespectful towards their culture by the self proclaimed communist tutor. As you can well imagine the war between myself and the Dudley college is still ongoing but going no where fast as these communists stick together like s**t to a blanket |
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"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!" Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished Midsomer the last great bastion of Englishness ....Brian True-May Werian se Angelcynn | |
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| General Pershing | Jun 16 2010, 01:03 AM Post #23 |
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We want peace and prosperity - they wanna blow themselves up and fcuk animals We want to get on with our lives - they wanna have sex with our kids and fcuk animals We want to build homes and businesses - they wanna rape, murder and have sex with animals We want a better future for our kids - they wanna kill our kids and fcuk animals WTF people? Is this some sort of nightmare? Where are our leaders in all of this? When are we going to make a stand? |
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| waspish | Dec 19 2010, 12:10 PM Post #24 |
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donkey fcuking, paedo child molesting, mass-murdering, wife-beating type!! thats most of em then.... |
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| ekki | Dec 19 2010, 12:27 PM Post #25 |
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Theo van Gogh called them “goatfcukers”. A term that has been in use in Holland ever since… |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 01:32 PM Post #26 |
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The Ayatollah Khomeini's Fling With A Four Year Old "The Ayatollah Khomeini was the man who led the Islamic Revolution which established the Islamic Republic of Iran in 1979. Khomeini died in 1989, and the current Ayatollah Khameini took over the reins of power from him at that time. If you want to understand the depths of depravity upon which Iran is founded, you need look no further than this story: An excerpt from 'Hal Ataaka Hadeeth ur-Raafidah?' by the late Sheikh Abu Mus'abaz-Zarqaawi “The author of the book 'For Allah, Then For History' [1] mentions to us an event that took place before his very eyes, when al-Khomeini [2] was living in Iraq, and was visiting an Iranian individual by the name of Sayyid Sahib. He says: 'Sayyid Sahib was joyous with our visit, and we arrived at his house around the time of Dhuhr. So, he prepared for us a lavish dinner, and called some of his relatives, who came to see us, and the house became crowded in celebration of our presence. Sayyid Sahib then requested that wespend that night at his home, to which the Imam agreed. When it was night time, we were given our supper, and the guests would take the Imam's hand and kiss it, and they would ask him questions, with him answering their questions. When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful. So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming.'” Footnotes [1] This book was written under the alias Husayn al-Musawi, a former companion of al-Khomeini who later abandoned his previous beliefs. [2] Ayatollah al-Khomeini was the leader of the Shee'ah Raafidah of Iran in the 1980s. http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/01/ayatollah-khomeinis-fling-with-four.html |
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| fireman_tim | Dec 19 2010, 02:37 PM Post #27 |
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How many times can you prove that Islam is full of demented cnuts? Doesn't seem to mean sh1t to the majority of sheep out there. Dumb pricks voting in the same pricks every time, no matter which party gets in, they are all self serving pricks. |
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| lionsingh | Dec 19 2010, 02:56 PM Post #28 |
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What about necrozoophilia ? Is that covered. My dead Turkey needs a good stuffing for christmas day. Just want to be on the safe side. ?? Can I leave the cling-film on..The bitch looks great ?
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| General Pershing | Dec 19 2010, 05:24 PM Post #29 |
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Bestiality in Islam Is there a proper Muslim way to have sex with animals? Indeed, there is! Guidelines for sex with animals can be found in the writings of Ayatollah Khomeini. Two excerpts from his writings serve to clarify the matter. "A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." Don't the buyers deserve a discount of some kind? Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 "If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned." What if it was really good and invites another lap or two? Must animals always be one-night stands? Pedophilia in Islam Let me begin with a quote from a fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran. "A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister." You need not fear that your Muslim male baby-sitter will rape your 7-year-old daughter. If he is a good MuslimMullah_kissing_boy_1 he will only sodomize her. If he does force his penis into her tiny vagina he is obligated to pay for any surgical repairs that may be required. If those repairs are deemed insufficient you may work out a financial settlement to compensate you for his trivial infraction. No big deal. Muslim boys will be Muslim boys. And, after all, she is only a girl. Other forms of sexual abuse inflicted on children by Muslim male family members include fondling of genitals, coercing a child to fondle the abuser's genitals, masturbation with the child as either participant or observer, oral sex, anal or vaginal penetration by penis, finger or any other object. Another technique used by Muslim men is called "thighing". The child's legs are pressed together and the abuser inserts his penis between the thighs of the little boy or girl. As this was how Mohammed had sex with his wife, Aisha, from the time she was six years old the practice, of course, was approved of by Ayatollah Khomeini who in his Little Green Book asserted “It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.” Yes, indeed, you can be a good Muslim while copulating with the thighs of an infant. This practice flourishes in Muslim countries where women are ruthlessly oppressed and normal sexual development systematically suppressed. That would include the Arab world, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Deny men wholesome and natural sexual outlets and they will find unwholesome and unnatural alternatives. The Grand Ayatollah's full ruling on marriage can be found here. The institution of "temporary marriage" appears to be designed to facilitate prostitution. A USA Today article tells the story. Edited by General Pershing, Dec 19 2010, 05:26 PM.
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| lionsingh | Dec 19 2010, 05:31 PM Post #30 |
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still dont know if I can stuff my turkey ;-) |
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| shiva2 | Dec 19 2010, 05:34 PM Post #31 |
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Unfortunately for you I am very familiar with the linked site, yes it is the official SAUDIA ARABIA GOV ISLAMIC SITE, but the link does not bring us to the mentioned hadith but to their index page of the different hadithes If this hadith is correct why is there no name, volume or verse number If any one is looking for a good koran translator this site is one of the best and easiest http://quran.al-islam.com/Loader.aspx?pageid=738&BookID=15&page=1 |
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| General Pershing | Dec 19 2010, 05:36 PM Post #32 |
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I'll check the hadiths but I'm sure you're allowed to 'stuff' a turkey, so long as you read a verse from the Qu'ran and offer a small gesture of payment to the owner of the tukey I think Ayatollah has it covered!That's odd, the link definitely used to work. The beasts must have removed it. Edited by General Pershing, Dec 19 2010, 05:37 PM.
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| a fresh start | Dec 19 2010, 05:46 PM Post #33 |
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just make sure you wash!!!! |
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| shiva2 | Dec 19 2010, 06:39 PM Post #34 |
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Can you put your money where your mouth is and prove that this volume exists, better still as it is so famous how about a screenshot. Here is a little something you should know, any quotations of Khomeini used as a polemic against Islam should just be shrugged off as most Muslims (roughly 90%) do not view him with any authority whatsoever. in fact they hate him, because he is Shia and most muslims are sunni, and these very dubious claim originated from anti khomeini site. What we see here is Sunni anti Shia muslim hate propaganda being taken up by non muslim, and being used as anti muslim propaganda However, there is no evidence he approved of sex with animals. He was simply giving his opinion related to purification with regards to the crime of bestiality. In any case when he spoke of such an act (hypothetically) he appended the words “Allah protect him from it” thus indicating he did not approve of such an action. “If a man – Allah protect him from it! – fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary” http://prophetofdoom.net/The_Little_Green_Book_2_14.Islam There is a weak hadithe that mohammed slept with a corpse As for the turkey, as you are a sikh/xtain you have no problem stuffing it. For muslims they must stick to the tafsir 23- If the animal which someone had sex with it is one of the eatable animals like sheep and cow and camel it should be killed (Zebh) and burned....... Edited by shiva2, Dec 19 2010, 07:00 PM.
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The sex with kids is real enough, even if the works of Ayatollah Komeini are moot, and even if 90% of muslims are not shias. The shias call us non-believers walking piles of sh1t. But the laws permitting paedophilic marriages are to be found in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Nigeria and Malaysia (and very probably a number of other islamic countries). One of the most knowledgeable people on islam who was on here (not seen him for a month or two), posted a link referring to the idea that islam permitted sex with animals and corpses. I challenged him on it as I could not believe it, and he then pointed out that he had been misled by another site, and that he regretted posting it. I've seen him challenge others who post things that are untrue. Until I see evidence that makes me believe the worst of islam and muslims, I can't bring myself to believe it. For example, it took me a long time to accept that there were islamic countries that permitted paedophilic marriages. Mostly I could not believe this because I naively thought our media would draw attention to it, and our muslims would have been wanting to condemn those countries. Alas, in both cases I've been disappointed. I think it does no good to paint islam as any worse than it is. Ibn Ishaq's The Life of Mohammed is bad enough. As are the laws in islamic countries. And the 1300 years of black and white slavery. And the endorsement of slavery in sharia law. And the rejection of the UN Declaration of Human Rights by all 56 islamic states. Not to mention, of course, the islamic fascist party Hizb ut Tahrir. These should be enough to make most muslims question their indoctrination. We should stick to the facts and try to substantiate everything. Unfortunately, it seems that now even telling the truth is being classed as a hate crime. |
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| lionsingh | Dec 19 2010, 07:08 PM Post #36 |
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Yippee I can stuff a dead turkey for Xmas...Think I will use my fingers
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| shiva2 | Dec 19 2010, 07:50 PM Post #37 |
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Well I am surprised that you and our friend Pastorius over at IBLOGA have been taken in with this one. I have searched for this book on several occasions but it does not seem to exist. Anyway the authors name and alias is a give away that this is a spoof Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Husayn Al-Musawi, as you should know are both notorious terrorists It should be noted that Zarqawi had a blistering hate towards Shias |
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I wouldn't be so fast to defend Khomeini from these charges. Mark Steyn argues (and pretty much proves) that Khomeini's Blue and Green books exist: http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/1516/26/ ![]()
He provides photographs of the Blue books, in both Farsi and English. Steyn claims he book does indeed include rulings concerning sex with little girls and sheep. Considering this is in the context of Steyn defending himself from charges of lack of professionalism, I'd say he's putting his name and reputation on the line. It would be fairly easy to call Steyn out on this - just get someone to translate this Farsi: ![]() I too have had trouble locating this book. If you ever get hold of a copy in English, I would love to see it. It looks like I'm going to have to believe that Shia muslims do endorse bestiality and paedophilia on this evidence. Now I know why Sunni muslims want to kill them. Oh hang on, sadly I doubt that they want to kill them because of their endorsement of paedophilia... |
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| lionsingh | Dec 19 2010, 08:14 PM Post #39 |
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"It should be noted that Zarqawi had a blistering hate towards Shias" well the Shias believed in in Ali...you know how sensitive Sunnis are to NO IDOLS..poor iranian Mullahs...they are still waiting for the 12th Iman..The islamacist terrorists hate Shia ...what are you mate ? Dont worry Shias are 3rd on the list. Are you Sunni or Sunni may I ask. Fair question. Happy CHRIST MASS |
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| shiva2 | Dec 19 2010, 09:06 PM Post #40 |
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Yes, sex with kids is a very big problem everywhere, what makes it worse is it is condoned in islamic countries. Now if people here are really concerned about this, then they should find common ground with muslims on this matter, because muslims in general do not want their daughters to be victims of pedos, by tarnishing all muslims as perverts based on a book that does not exist, is to say the least counter productive
If people are posting falsehoods here they should be challenged and corrected, in the long term it will strengthen EDL. I predict that in the near future there is going to be a clamp down on anti islamic sites, and those that contain blatant lies are going to be shut down first
That s a big problem that people like to believe muslims have the same mindset as they do
Most are devastated when they question their indoctrination
Yes, and by doing so we become stronger, and not a mindless mob
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In general, they don't seem at all disturbed when daughters of non-muslims are victims of Islamic pedophilia!
grovel grovel...go easy on me! So transparent.
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| General Pershing | Dec 19 2010, 09:37 PM Post #42 |
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@abdulhamza - watch the top video in the OP. |
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| shiva2 | Dec 19 2010, 09:37 PM Post #43 |
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Thats a brilliant find, I can now remember reading about it a 6 or 7 years ago It is a bit late now to make a long comment But well done Giving respect where respect is due Edited by shiva2, Dec 19 2010, 09:40 PM.
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| Eeedl | Dec 19 2010, 09:42 PM Post #44 |
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Dirty disturbed freaks.Why would somebody want to fcuk an animal or even worse why would they want to marry and have sex with a child oh wait it's what their prophet did. |
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| fireman_tim | Dec 20 2010, 05:31 AM Post #45 |
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How does a Muslim eat a frog? He puts one little froggie leg over his left ear, the other little froggie leg over his right ear.
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| shiva2 | Dec 20 2010, 09:46 AM Post #46 |
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I have not contested that The Blue or Green book existed I even linked to it a few post above http://prophetofdoom.net/The_Little_Green_Book_2_14.Islam As for the blue book, a few years ago there was a discussion about it some where, so I googled and came to Amazon books, where there where pix, the same as Steyn shows, I am sorry now I did not look into it at the time.
It would be help if he had also added what it says in the introduction to Risaleh Towzih al-Masa'il: The first Risaleh Towzih al-Masa'il (Explanatory treatise on questions of religion) was issued by the leading ayatollah of the 1950s, Ayatollah Sayyid Hossein Borujerdi (d 1960). It was compiled by Ali Asghar Karabaschi as a layman's abstraction from a turn of the century text, Sayyid Kazem Yazdi's (d.1919) `Urwat al-wuthqa ("The Handle of Trust"). In this form, it is thus a very new genre of book. Since the 1950s, every senior cleric with claims to being an ayatollah or marja-i taqlid, has issued a nearly identical Risaleh Towzih al-Masa'il. So identical are they, that at one point a volume was issued called Dah Hashiyeh ('Ten Commentaries`) which was the original Borujerdi test with footnotes explaining the minor difference in wording among the other Risaleh. Thus indicating that almost all of Resaleh Towzih al-Masa'el was copied, not written by Khomeini
![]() Yes the farsi does translate to #2631. It is loathsome to eat the meat of horse and mule and donkey and if somebody makes coitus with them, that is an intercourse, they become unlawful and they must be taken out of the city and sold elsewhere. #2632. If they have intercourse with a cow and sheep and camel their urine and dung becomes unclean and drinking their milk will also be unlawful and they must be killed and burned without delay, and the person who had intercourse with them must pay money to the owner. Further, if he had intercourse with any beast its milk becomes unlawful. I fail to see how this fatwahs make it okay to have sex with animals, because they only warn of that sodomized animals are impure Where as Finally, there's a source of quotes from Tahrir al-Vasileh that's spread throughout the internet to anti-Islamist and anti-Islamic websites. They can be traced back to the website of the "Dr. Darabi Foundation” (a secular, anti-Khomeini non-profit named after a prominent Iranian woman physician woman of the same name who set "herself on fire in a crowded square in northern Tehran, on February 21, 1994 ... to protest the oppression of women.”) The foundation declares itself dedicated to combating "all violations of human rights focusing on defending the rights of women against religious, cultural and social abuse.” Many of the quotes are similar to one's above from Resaleh Towzih al-Masael, but a couple are even creepier. With that caution, here are some translations from http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225445 A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine. From Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 (Note: This quote is found many places on the Web, often citing www.homa.org, but is no longer at www.homa.org itself as far as I can tell.) Khomeini's Teachings on sex with infants and animals Islamic Teachings on sex with infants: A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister. The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in "Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh," Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?View=Detail&ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445
It can be found at most online book stores and cost about ₤70
Well we do have this Whoever comes unto an animal, kill him and kill it with him. Narrator: Abu Huraira and Ibn Abbas. Reference: Sahih Al-Jami'a,number: 5938. From what I have dug up so far it is pretty clear that neither the Shia or Sunni endorse bestiality any more than it is endorse in the west, wiki has a good write up on the subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia The taboo of zoophilia has led to stigmatised groups being accused of it, as with blood libel. ![]() So by falsely claiming muslims are goat fcukers, only strenghens their claim when they play the " we are the new victimized jews card" Footnote Until 2005, there was a farm near Enumclaw, Washington that was an “animal brothel”, where people paid to have sex with animals. After an incident on July 2, 2005, when a man was pronounced dead in the emergency room of the Enumclaw community hospital after having been sodomized by a horse, the state legislature of the State of Washington, which had been one of the few states in the United States without a law against bestiality, within six months passed a bill making bestiality illegal. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:35 PM Post #47 |
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My searches for the Blue Book turned up copies costing between £100 and £500. Alas, I can think of far better things to spend £100 on (such as books on buddhism). I don't think you have established what you believe you have. Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not the case that in islam all is halal (permitted) that is not designated haram (explicitly forbidden)? You have never answered my questions about whether or not you are a muslim, but that is my understanding of the haram/halal distinction in islam, and it would be good to get the opinion of a well-informed, independent and articulate muslim on this matter. Assuming my understanding is correct... There are rules specifying what must be done with animals that are anally-fcuked - certain things are no longer permissible if these animals are handled in such a way. Doesn't that mean that it is permissible in islam to have sex with animals? There is no condemnation of bestiality in anything you cite. Therefore it is halal, not haram. I don't personally think that the bestiality permission is one that any non-vegan should get particularly upset about (there's lots of mistreatment of animals in factory farming that I think has a claim to being worse than bestiality). It is the religious sanctioning of paedophilia (and the sharia laws in islamic states enshrining this sanction) that show that islam is evil. And the Ayatollah Khomeini is only one amongst many islamic religious leaders that explicitly talk about this paedophilia being moral. Thank you for making it clear that Khomeini was not offering novel instructions, but simply repeating those of other Ayatollahs from the 1950s, and that these earlier Ayatollahs were harking back to older books pre-1919. If Khomeini had been the initial and only source of these instructions, or had deviated wildly from the previous Ayatollahs, then shia muslims would be able to say "he was a crackpot" (not that I think they ever would). What you've shown is the lack of inventiveness in islam and the hold of the past over even modern thinkers. Assuming that Khomeini is just re-afffirming what previous Ayatollahs have said, then it seems bestiality is assumed (and permitted) within islam (or at least within shia islam). The religious rulings do NOT proscribe it, and by specifically describing it without prosribing it, these religious rulings make it conscionable. Islam lays down interminable instructions in Bukhari on how to pray, how to clean one's cock, how to go to the toilet, and how to treat the victims of bestiality, yet it lays down no proscription against goat-fcuking (except how to sell the animal afterwards). Just as no muslim man is compelled to have sex with a 9 year old girl (but it is so permitted), so he is not compelled to have sex with goats (but it is so permitted). 24 hours ago I was highly suspicious of the idea that sex with animals was permissible in islam. Now I'm minded to think otherwise. Thank you for clearing that up for me. Of course, my understanding of the permissibility of all that is not forbidden may be mistaken. We may have to move onto discussing that instead. An interesting further point would be to find out if islamic countries (such as Iran) have passed laws making bestiality illegal, the way civilised places like the State of Washington have done. Can you think of any islamic state that has passed laws outlawing the bestiality apparently permitted by islam? Perhaps they are more concerned about the treatment of animals rather than little girls? Your comment on the existence of anti-bestiality laws in the US will provide us with a good comparison with islamic countries. We did not need laws in the UK forbidding Female Genital Mutilation until the last 30 years, because it was an unconscionable practice before the arrival of so many African and Middle-Eastern immigrants. Like the State of Washington, we put those laws in place when we realised people were engaging in such barbaric practices. I've no idea if the Animal Brothel in Washington is still in business, but experts believe that 20,000 British girls a year are being mutilated, without one conviction in the 25 years since this practice has been explicitly illegal in Britain. Are you aware of any islamic country that makes this practice illegal? Actually, from the translations of the Farsi you give, does not say the animal is anally-fcuked. For all we know this is vaginal bestiality. Unless someone with greater knowledge of the anatomy of quadripeds wants to enlighten me on this matter. |
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| shiva2 | Dec 20 2010, 09:50 PM Post #48 |
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I would rather have an I-Pad
That is why there are the hadithes
I would not trust a well-informed, independent and articulate muslim on this matter, the same as I do not trust many of the more sensationalist ant-jihad sites, as both have misleading imformation. I would rather do my own research
#1 What I cite was written before Khomeini came to power, so I assume he was not proposing punishment if he was not able to enforce it #2 If the meat is declared harem, then surely the act is also harem #3 As in most islamic societies livestock is expensive, and for many it is their livelihood, the fatwa states that the animal is to be killed, so for many it means financial disaster, which is punishment in itself. also the fatwa states that the culprit must pay the owner of the animal if killed.
And thank you for observing the above and pointing it out
Sahih Al-Jami'a, Number 5891. Narrated Abdallah Ibn Abbas. Cursed is he who profanes his father. Cursed is he who profanes his mother. Cursed is he who kills (an animal or sacrifices an animal) to other than Allah, Cursed is he who alters "takhoom" of earth. Cursed is he who "kammahu" (I don't know the meaning of the word) blind person from a path. Cursed is he who goes in unto an animal. Cursed is he who does what the people of Lot did (sodomy) Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4449: Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him. I (Ikrimah) said: I asked him (Ibn Abbas): What offence can be attributed to the animal/ He replied: I think he (the Prophet) disapproved of its flesh being eaten when such a thing had been done to it. Sahih Al-Jami'a, Number: 5938. Narrator: Abu Huraira and Ibn Abbas. Whoever comes unto an animal, kill him and kill it with him.
Animal sex (ityan al-baha’im) is classed as Zina, and not allowed in islam and certainly not in Iran Here is an extract from Islamic Republic of Iran's Penal Codes and the Death Penalty Hadd Hadd, (plural: huddud. Meaning “boundary or limit”) is a punishment for which “Sharia has fixed the measure, the degree and the method.” It is thus by definition unchangeable, irreducible and mandatory. Huddud capital crimes consist of three subcategories: - Sex crimes: These include seven offences under zina (illicit heterosexual sex) including male and female adultery, rape, intercourse with stepmother and relatives with whom marriage is forbidden, and intercourse between a Muslim man and a non-Muslim woman; three under lavat (penetrative male homosexual sex) including consensual intercourse, rape, and intercourse with minors, one under tafkhiz (non-penetrative male homosexual sex) when the ‘active party’ is non-Muslim and the ‘passive party’ is Muslim, and also two under necrophilia. - Crimes against the state and religion: These include five offences under moharebeh and mofsade-fil-arz (literally, “fighting God’s ordinances” and “corruption on earth”). They also include two under irtidad (apostasy), witchcraft, heresy and blasphemy which, although not included in the penal code, have always remained applicable under Sharia. - Recidivism: These include a fourth conviction for non-capital zina (fornication), tafkhiz, mosaheqeh (lesbian sex), qazf (unfounded accusation of zina or lavat), sirqat (theft), renewed irtidad (apostasy), bestiality, necrophilia, and a third conviction of drinking alcohol. Since hadd crimes are claims of God, they do not require a private complainant for prosecution (qazf is the only exception). A wife or husband who has been found guilty of adultery is put to death even if their spouse has made no complaint or has opposed the death sentence. The only mitigating circumstance for a hadd death sentence is “repentance,” which only applies to persons whose crimes have been proven in court on the basis of their own confessions. Even then, the judge has the discretion to propose the granting of a pardon or to implement the death sentence. http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=107261949318147&topic=11 3) Ittiyan al Bahimah (Buggery with animal) Offence and Punishment of Ityan al Bahimah The jurists unanimously agreed that sexual intercourse/buggery with animals is a great sin and cursed by Allah but they differ as regards to the punishment applicable to the offender. [41] Some of them viewed that this offence constitutes zina and thus the punishment of zina should be imposed on the offender. On the other hand, another group opined that buggery with animals does not amount to zina. Therefore, tazir punishment shall be applicable in such cases. The first view is supported by the companions of the prophet as well as one opinion of the Syafi’e school. In this regard, it is narrated from Hassan that sexual intercourse with animals amounted to zina. Jabir bin Zaid narrated that the offender of this kind of offence should be hadd with the punishment of zina. From Ali, it is narrated that if the offender is a muhsan, he should be stoned to death. From the above view of the companions, we can see that hadd of zina shall be imposed on the offender of buggery with animal. If the offender in such case is a muhsan, he should be stoned to death, whereas if the offender is a ghair muhsan, a flog of hundred lashes should be imposed. [42] The school of Syafi’i in one of its opinion suggested that the offender should be killed. This is the second view available in discussing the punishment for the offence of this kind. The above opinion was made based on the hadith from Amr bin Abi Amr, from Wrimah, from Ibn Abbas, where Prophet said, ‘Whoever performs a carnal intercourse with animal, kill him and the animal both” (Narrated by Ahmad, Abu Daud and tarmizi) [43] In Kitab al Bahr it is stated that the animal concerned should be killed though it is one that is unlawful to Muslims. The rational behind the killing is to avoid such animal from producing heirs that is genetically and physically different in kind. [44] The third view is the unanimous preferred opinion among the jurists. Hanafi, Maliki and Syafi’i in one of its opinion submitted that zina is a willful sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who are not validly married to each other. It does not cover the sexual intercourse between human being and animal. Thus, if a man had a carnal relation with an animal, he shall not he liable to hadd as the act does not amount to zina. In this case, ta’zir punishment should be applicable. This view is also shared by other jurists such as Mijayyad Billah, Nashir and Imarn yahya. [45] 4) Ittiyan al-maitah (intercourse with dead woman) Offence and punishment of Ittiyan al-maitah. According to the jurists, to be liable to hadd in the case of zina, the woman concerned must be a living human being at the. Time of commission of the offence. Therefore, if a man commits sexual intercourse with a dead woman, he shall not be liable to hadd of zina. Ta’zir punishment shall take place in such cases. The jurists however concurred that severe ta’zir punishment should be imposed on the offender because he has disgraced the dead body of a woman. http://maqasid.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/unnatural-offences-the-controversy/ http://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Documents/Session7/IR/ELEI_UPR_IRN_S07_2010_ExtraLegalExecutionsinIran.pdf |
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| fireman_tim | Dec 21 2010, 10:09 AM Post #49 |
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It is sick, but also funny, because they are quite literarally Cammel fcukers
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| shiva2 | Dec 21 2010, 11:04 AM Post #50 |
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Yes HS his reputation in my eyes remains intact, also he does not lack in professionalism as he does not resort to calling muslims sheep shaggers. Also I would like to thank-you again for the link. As I already said I do not trust many anti-islamist sites, as they carry to many falsehood such as this myth concerning Khomeini and bestiality, okay in all he was an evil bastard, but to attribute this allegation to him is damaging to the anti islamization movement, as it leads to dimwits here calling muslims goat-fcukers etc etc, which the media and left see as hate towards muslims Now what is ironical the quotes are reported to have come from Khomeini,s non existent book "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume. Yet The main criminal statute in the Islamic Republic of Iran is largely drawn from Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s book of Islamic jurisprudence "Tahrirolvasyleh" First and Second volumes that do exist. If there was any truth that Khomeini endorsed bestiality, can those who call muslims goatfcukers explain why in iran fcuking goats can be punished with death, amputation or flogging These include a fourth conviction for non-capital zina (fornication), tafkhiz, mosaheqeh (female homosexual sex), qazf (unfounded accusation of zina or lavat), sirqat (theft), renewed irtidad (apostasy), bestiality, necrophilia, and a third conviction of drinking alcohol. With the exception of necrophilia and bestiality, which remain uncodified (unchanged) in statute law, the 2007 Draft ICC retains all the other six capital crimes in this subcategory. Drinking is punished on the fourth conviction and not the third. Extracted from the UPR Working Group of the Human Rights Council http://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Documents/Session7/IR/ELEI_UPR_IRN_S07_2010_ExtraLegalExecutionsinIran.pdf |
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