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What I think should happen in Britain.....; Please Rate, discuss or dismiss
Topic Started: Dec 29 2009, 03:06 PM (773 Views)
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i like a lot of your ideas here, the idea of leaving the eu super state but staying inthe common market is my ideal position for this country. yes 85% of our trade is made through the eu but then thats because we have to. we have a brilliant source for our products and purchases and thats the common wealth. many years ago we had a referendum for a common market and now new labor have removed our nations right to govern ourself.
as to your economics im a world away from you. yes as ex forces i know they need more money but not at the cost to health and education.
our health service once the best in the world is now on par with a 3rd world country. it needs a good injection of cash, though not to managment levels and admin, we need to get more doctors rather than uni degree numpties that have no life experience. the way drugs are a post code lottery is a disgrace to the country if a drug can save a persons life then cost should not come into it.
we need to stop doctors using nhs hospitals for private work, if people want to use private sugeons then they should go to a private hospital, why should someone get pref treatment at same hospital and sugeon if they can afford to pay for the services that should be free?
education. now dont get me started on that i could go on for days and my wife it would be weeks. the schools need seriously sorting out. they need cash and they need it fast. dump the national curiculum and go back to a more classic style of education with a strong leaning towards verbal reasoning to get the kids to think again rather than accept spoon feeding from teachers.
as to free child care places for all pre school i dont like this. kids should be at home with either mum or dad for at least the first 5 years of life not farmed out to child care or school for pre indoctrination like they are now. wages need to be sorted so 1 wage earner can keep a family. tax needs to be lower the cost of living needs to be lower. i have 3 kids living at home with us and recently my wife and i have stepped in to help my wifes niece and we have taken on bringing up her 2 small children so now that is 5 kids ranging from 2 -16 and we need a large house. to rent this place i live in costs 1100 per month then half again in council tax, gas, electric and other bills. i need to earn a fortune to cover this, then east euro imigrants made my wages from from 180 per day to 70 if i was lucky during this time my wife who has a long term illness took a turn for the worse due to stress i needed to spend more time with her and at 70 per day i lost my contracts and couldnt find more that could pay. then i lost my house due to no mortgage help for first 9 months when you are off work. then my wife took an even worse turn and now i have to be her full time carer and cant go back to work.
the kids need money spending on them so they have more text books and stationary. they need lots of trips out visiting heritage site like museums and art galleries as well as sites like ancient hill forts. the kids today get 1 or 2 trips a year. i was lucky and had a private education until the age of 11 and we did a field trip at least once a month it helped us know the world better and find things out on our own rather than sitting at a desk listening to a mono tone teacher.
cutting pay of firemen and police is not needed. you can save a forutne getting rid of the red tape crap they deal with and the excess of admin staff. the firemen do a great job and risk their lives for us so why should we skimp on them they are worth every penny and more.
the police on the other hand need stripping of these powers they have gained under labor, no need to cut pay but get rid of the admin and toy police.
as to the tax issue i never seem to understand the thought behind super tax rates on super rich. we need these super rich in the country and to many leave for tax havens and have off shore banks. 5% higher tax maybe 10% ontop of the average joe but not 30-50% increase as its really no incentive to stay here if you can earn that money and pay less tax some other place.
im not overly keen on your ideas of imigration either. i feel that moderate imigration is good for the country as we do lack certain skills. this style of imigration should be along the lines australia or newzealand might use. imigrants should be able to keep themselves and not rely in any way on the state for 5 years. but to put a cap on numbers is unrealistic in the actual world. ok we your 10,000 quota for the year and then suddenly due to markets or nature we find we need another couple of hundred people with skills that we cant find here. we cant turn down a kighly skilled professional from africa or asia even america die to quota levels and have to take a substandard from our own work force.
all employment oportunities should be filled british citizerns and only them should we outsource to foreign nations. but if we need 12 or 20,000 then we need that amount of people. many financial imigrants areonly here to earn money and have no real wishes to actualy retire here so the numbers would even out over time.
we also need to able to take a number of refugees from the world. we have at the moment in haiti with the earthquake 100s of thousands of people with no home or work. would you refuse a small number of these people a home and future on our shores?
also would you refuse to accept political refugees? by this i mean actual people like dissidents from countries like iran and yemmen that speak out against the regimes and flee for their lifes. not the gay afro caribean drug dealer that would get killed if he went home or the afgan plane hijackers that somehow managed to claim asylum here. they are not wanted by me here so they can sod off.
all together its a pretty good package and maybe very similar in ways to ukip or bnp as well as old school tory. being old school tory through and through until "call me dave" came along im finding myself swaying towards ukip now but i like a lot you have to offer
Edited by agamemnon, Jan 21 2010, 08:40 PM.
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The NHS costs a fortune. To get other plans off the Ground I would need to freeze increase of money into the Pot for a couple of years. I wouldnt cut it, that would be stupid, but hopfully I would take a load off the NHS by slashing immigration.

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more classic style of education with a strong leaning towards verbal reasoning to get the kids to think again rather than accept spoon feeding from teachers.


I agree totally. Education these day is about learning about how to answer exam questions.


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as to free child care places for all pre school i dont like this. kids should be at home with either mum or dad for at least the first 5 years of life not farmed out to child care or school for pre indoctrination like they are now. wages need to be sorted so 1 wage earner can keep a family


Unfortunately this doesnt happen in many cases. A lot of Families these days are "Two worker families" with both parents working and , usually the Grandparents looking after grandkids. I think free and universal Pre-school would be welcome in many areas.

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im not overly keen on your ideas of imigration either. i feel that moderate imigration is good for the country as we do lack certain skills. this style of imigration should be along the lines australia or newzealand might use. imigrants should be able to keep themselves and not rely in any way on the state for 5 years. but to put a cap on numbers is unrealistic in the actual world. ok we your 10,000 quota for the year and then suddenly due to markets or nature we find we need another couple of hundred people with skills that we cant find here. we cant turn down a kighly skilled professional from africa or asia even america die to quota levels and have to take a substandard from our own work force.


I would accept professionals but not the unskilled or the aimless refugee. If your a professional there is no limit on how many can come live here. The rest, which makes up the Bulk of the 600,000 current level of immigrantion would have the 10,000 quota slapped on.

Britain doesnt have a shortage of labour. It has a excess of unused Labour. We have huge amounts terminally unemployed people. Not just the standard unemployment, or the Eldery people or mother-at-home ,who are economically unactive. Citizens who can work but seek be unemployed. If we strive to get this huge lump of people employed, doing the manuel tasks which the Immigrate popualtion used to do, we will be fine. Personally i think Britain is on the Verge of another "Baby Boom", with IVF tech and lots of Govt incentives atm.

Thanks for your imput mate, you've changed some of my opinions on certain topics, reminding me of others. Im current opinons are adopting, changing and reforming, Which is just what I wanted to gain from this thread B-)
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"Unfortunately this doesnt happen in many cases. A lot of Families these days are "Two worker families" with both parents working and , usually the Grandparents looking after grandkids. I think free and universal Pre-school would be welcome in many areas."
this is the part of the problem that we face today, family break down and this is due in some meassures to both parents out at work, where do you find time for the kids?
we are forced to be a 2 parent working family in a lot of cases due to poor wages for semi skilled or manual labour. many people in the haulage and construction industry have in the last 15 yearsor so seen wages flutuate from 25-30k down to 15-18k and with a medium sized family its impossible to maintain a nice life style on less than 20k if you are not in a council house, mortgages and private rental drain the money.
i trace the fall in haulage wages directly to european compettition with cheaper running costs and labour charges and then the construction industry has dropped due to east euro migration. both of these points are valid arguments to be in a common market but not a free for all super state.
how would you suggest we get wages back up and cost of living back down so that we could once again become breadwinner and house keeper style family units, where the kids dont need 12 hour child care every day
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Jan 9 2010, 05:46 PM

teachers, social workers and people who work with children in any area should not be allowed to start their career in child care unless they have had at least one child of their own. social; workers and child protection "proffesionals" are always saying "we will learn from this latest tragedy" but seldom do, because they havent got a clue how small children act. i can spot a miserable hurt child a mile away because ive had babies. anyone who hasnt had one cant know the difference.



this is a very valid point. in my own experience of taking on my 2 yr old niece and 4 yr old nephew we had a social worker who had kids and was a real support to my wife and i but the health visitors worked to a very different agenda. my wife has a long term illness and some days she is bed ridden, this is not a problem as i am her full time carer and on those days i just work a little harder round the house with the kids, we also have a 16 yr old daughter who lends a hand, the social worker didnt see this a s a problem but the childless health visitor did and tried to get foster care team to force us into fostering our own family so the state had the final say.
then chatting to friend last night who knows a lady who for over 20 years has been a foster carer, she has looked after a 5 year old girl for last 2.5 yrs and this girl is a credit to her. 2 weeks ago a new 19 yr old social worker fresh from college visited her and the night b4 the girl had been poorly and was sick all over her bed at 2am so the lady cleaned her up and the child then spen rest of night in bed with foster carer. the girl told the social worker this and 3 days later 4 social workers and 2 police officers turned up took child into care for sexual abbuse. the law now states if you are not blood relation to child then you can not share a bed. if my 2 yr old niece is sick and sleeps with us (wich happens) we could also be accused of child abbuse.
where has common sonse and decency gone in the world today?
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The reestablishment of British culture in the British Isle.

Children would be taught from an early age British Values and history first. Encouragement of "Patriotic" tendoncies in Britain. Increase Free viewing of Nation sports and funding.

I would create an Unbendable "British bill of rights" Similar to the American one.





First, I think there should be actually a national poll where people would be asked if :
- they want a communautarist society (multiculturalism and co-existance of communities)
- they want a assimilating society ("In Roma, do like Romans")

If you come with a serious study, with figures, in other words, EVIDENCES showing that a majority of Britons want to recognize only ONE SINGLE COMMUNITY (the British community) and want a society that asks immigrants and foreigner cultures to assimilate to a "British way of life" (or at least, the values), then, a debate must open : "What are the British values?"

Only then, a constitution or a bill can be written.
But for this, you need the full support of the majority because the architectes of the multiculturalism will fight by saying you're racist with this idea.
Look at UKIP, recently... They said burqa should be banned and tackled the issue of multiculturalism' fail and defence of a britishness and immediatly, people said "they're racist !", "it's intolerance", "they're the new face of BNP !" :blink:






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"Only then, a constitution or a bill can be written. "

We have one already:

Magna Carta
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Jan 22 2010, 12:00 PM
"Only then, a constitution or a bill can be written. "

We have one already:

Magna Carta
Thanks for telling me. I didn't know this.

I started to read things about it and I found out about a bill of rights too, in 1689...
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Jan 14 2010, 08:24 PM
Why would only the army get an increase in pay? Surely all forces deserve more.

All infantry units should have more pay than anyone enlisted soldier, saying this, I don't agree with the Royal Air Force's RAF Regiment, it seems almost pointless to have such a regiment. Intergrate them into the regular infantry roles, or have them choose airborne, line or seaborne infantry.

I'd personally pull out of Afghanistan, we would save the lives of many servicemen and women, and the country money. The money we save, we use to pay for new equipment for our military.
Without the r.a.f regiment the airforce in depth defence of airfields would be gone.Think about this if all infantry were under the command of the army what general is going too say here have a battalion to defend airfields against attack there is no way r.a.f.regiment should stay but we should re badge our county regiments
Oh really?
Who secured Basrah's airfield?

RAF Regt's role is to go forth and cease airfields and defend them. Where were they?

Royal Artillery have regiments dedicated to anti-air. Why aren't they in the RAF? They're dedicated to fighting against the air assets of our enemies?

We have plenty of infantry units to defend our airfields.

The RAF has thousands of personnel, all of whom are trained in perimetre defence, so why aren't they defending the airfields?
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TheEnglishmanDylan
Jan 22 2010, 12:38 PM
vale and proud
Jan 21 2010, 05:03 PM
TheEnglishmanDylan
Jan 14 2010, 08:24 PM
Why would only the army get an increase in pay? Surely all forces deserve more.

All infantry units should have more pay than anyone enlisted soldier, saying this, I don't agree with the Royal Air Force's RAF Regiment, it seems almost pointless to have such a regiment. Intergrate them into the regular infantry roles, or have them choose airborne, line or seaborne infantry.

I'd personally pull out of Afghanistan, we would save the lives of many servicemen and women, and the country money. The money we save, we use to pay for new equipment for our military.
Without the r.a.f regiment the airforce in depth defence of airfields would be gone.Think about this if all infantry were under the command of the army what general is going too say here have a battalion to defend airfields against attack there is no way r.a.f.regiment should stay but we should re badge our county regiments
Oh really?
Who secured Basrah's airfield?

RAF Regt's role is to go forth and cease airfields and defend them. Where were they?

Royal Artillery have regiments dedicated to anti-air. Why aren't they in the RAF? They're dedicated to fighting against the air assets of our enemies?

We have plenty of infantry units to defend our airfields.

The RAF has thousands of personnel, all of whom are trained in perimetre defence, so why aren't they defending the airfields?
well if thats your reasoning then why does the army have helicopters the air force should operate them in your view.
Also the R.a.f regiment has air defence batteries, more to the point the fact that the air forces has people to defend airfields yes but they are also trained technicians can you imagine an airfield attack and all the air maintence people were killed fighting as infantry! The airfield would be non oprational because who would rearm and refuel the craft?If anyrhing needs to go its the hangers on at the m.o.d
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What party are you hoping to become part of? I need to know who I should vote for when I come of age.
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UKIP mate.
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UKIP mate.
If I was British, I'd vote for them I think.
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For a start with a name like that you have no chance with me (it kinda shows your realy intentions), plus why cut firemans wages (how much do they earn now, I dont know!) but I would want a big wedge even if I only had to enter 1 burning building in my life never mind every other week.
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For a start with a name like that you have no chance with me (it kinda shows your real intentions), plus why cut firemans wages,just make their hours more workable, but I would want a big wedge even if I only had to enter 1 burning building in my life never mind every other week.
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For a start with a name like that you have no chance with me (it kinda shows your real intentions)


My real Intentions :ermm:

Please explain?
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I don't think calling people a 'dickhead' will get you anywhere in politics. Grow up.
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I believe the following should happen
all members of the islam4uk or similar groups arrested
all socialist red commies types uaf etc arrested
all bnp nf etc arrested
all republicans arrested
all paedos arrested
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1. Natural Resources must be owned by the nation, and companies paid a percentage to mine/extract. Natural wealth must benefit the nation, not companies.

2. Deport all Muslims.

3. Introduce compulsory military service for all men and women leaving school. Israeli style.

4. Boycott China and other slave employing nations.

5. Tell the EU to piss off.

6. Tell the UN to piss off.

7. Send forces to kill the dictators in Africa. Bring real democracy and wealth to the former British colonies.

8. Re build the Empire.

9. Legalise air rifles again, Pussie cry baby government wankers. Air rifles are fun :)

10. Allow law abiding citizens to own firearms. Right now only the Govt and the Criminals have them, that's not right.

Please feel free to add......
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Pax Britannica Feb 19 2010, 05:39 PM
I don't think calling people a 'dickhead' will get you anywhere in politics. Grow up.


Works for Nigel Farage MEP! :respect: ^o)
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