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What I think should happen in Britain.....; Please Rate, discuss or dismiss
Topic Started: Dec 29 2009, 03:06 PM (774 Views)
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Hi , some of you might know that I am a budding politician and the EDL represents to me a opportunity to "Poll the electorate" amongst the plethora of EDL supporters on this forum about my views , showing in the Future of if there is any chance of me having any support.

Ill divide this into a couple of Sub-headings.

Foreign

I would leave the EU Political superstate while remaining in the European common market. I would try to establish closer Links generally with the Commonwealth but strongly with the main Anglospherical countries ( Eg AUS, NZ).
I would continue the "Special Relationship" with America but not the extent of the "Blair-Bush - Lapdog situation".

I would contribute tribute rebuilding money to Iraq instead of the Traditional Generalized AID to many countries. This money would go towards the Oil industry and infostructure.

Afganistan would remain important. Instead of just fighting the Guerilla, efforts would be put into protecting farmers and Afgans livelyhoods. Discourage growth of poppy, encourage growth of cereal produce by subsides. Pour money into redevelopment and show afgans that there lives would be better under western influence. Boer- Styled propected containment camps set up around troubled provences to house the Population during nightfall (Meals and Propaganda).


Look for Alternative Oil sources to Avoid Russia to the greatest extent.

Fund and encourage Iranian Democratic revolution.


Domestic


The reestablishment of British culture in the British Isle.

Children would be taught from an early age British Values and history first. Encouragement of "Patriotic" tendoncies in Britain. Increase Free viewing of Nation sports and funding.

I would create an Unbendable "British bill of rights" Similar to the American one.


Reintroduction of National service for a 12 month period for 16-17 year olds. They would be unable to go into conflict, would be paided a Monthly "Below Mininum wage" salary . This would have many postive benefits. Its would remove the most financially unactive people in the labour market. Encourage Britishness/ Morals. Lower levels of Obesity and Crime. High levels of support for the armed services and recruitment.


Reintroduction of Death penalty. Life means life in prisons. Stripping down the prison service to make it almost unbearablely "Spartan". Using convicts as forced unpaid labour.

Immigration would be cut from 500,000 to 10,000. Profressional immigrates would be only accepted (Doctors etc). They would have to take strict test and a Legal oath to their new country.

New Additions- Limited introduction of "People Sovereignty"

Relaxation of Gun laws, with Handgun made Legal BUT with the Strictest control including Mental Health check before ownership.

The Establishment of a Commitee of experts who look at each individual useage of the Terrorism Laws to see if they were used correctly ( And not against pensioners who dont pick up dog poo). Incorrect useage means Jail.


Economics



Funding for the Military would increase largely to fit with Joint Tri- Nation service and to bring Britain back as a Military power. Army pay increased

The Social Services would be slashed. Police pay increases limited. Shedding of unneeded jobs in the Public sector. Firemen pay decreases. Police retirement age increased to 62 with administorally work from 50.

Education and health services with freezed anual rise in expenditure for 5 years.

Legal decrease in union power.

Income tax cuts for the Middle and Lower class (The Wealth generators) increase tax for the "Ultra wealthy".

Subsides on Specialized British industry such as pharmaceuticals to encourage growth.

Finance services would be incouraged to grow again but they would have to back up a percentage of money in the coffers with a non-fluxating asset (Not houses) such as Gold or silver. This would help stop a loss of confidense in the financal sector.

Decrease in Oil Tax, which promotes consumption and lessens inflation.



So what do you think?


Edited by ImperialEmperor, Dec 29 2009, 09:05 PM.
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ImperialEmperor for PM :) when you get in I want to be your immigration and 'climate change' minister.
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ImperialEmperor for PM :) when you get in I want to be your immigration and 'climate change' minister.
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lol just join the ukip party, you covered it all, but you get my vote.
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Some good ideas there Imperialemperor but whos going to fund the regeneration programs of Iraq and Afghanistan? no doubt we the taxpayers.
As a result of the lies and the underhanded actions of that asshole Blair Iraq is in turmoil and we are now in a hopeless situation regarding Afghanistan with our boys being killed on a daily basis, in which i said would happen before our troops were even deployed.
Anyone with knowledge of history would have known that the British had their arses kicked in the first Afgan war in the mid 1800s, then their was Russia in the 1980s, they were their for almost ten years without the do gooders to hinder their movements but they still lost around twenty thousand soldiers before the mighty soviet empire limped away in a humiliating defeat.
Our glorious leaders have grossly underestimated the spirit of the Afgan but as usual our boys and their families are paying the price.

Regarding the national service you spoke about i still maintain within the next five years providing we havent yet thrown the towel in concerning Afgan there will be enforced conscription but the do gooders will make damn sure that their beloved muslims that are festering in our country will be excluded from this.
Edited by made in England, Dec 29 2009, 05:15 PM.
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Some good ideas there Imperialemperor but whos going to fund the regeneration programs of Iraq and Afghanistan? no doubt we the taxpayers.
As a result of the lies and the underhanded actions of that asshole Blair Iraq is in turmoil and we are now in a hopeless situation regarding Afghanistan with our boys being killed on a daily basis, in which i said would happen before our troops were even deployed.
Anyone with knowledge of history would have known that the British had their arses kicked in the first Afgan war in the mid 1800s, then their was Russia in the 1980s, they were their for almost ten years without the do gooders to hinder their movements but they still lost around twenty thousand soldiers before the mighty soviet empire limped away in a humiliating defeat.
Our glorious leaders have grossly underestimated the spirit of the Afgan but as usual our boys and their families are paying the price.



Britain gives 7.6 billion pounds a year as International "Aid". This could be relocated to Afganistan instead of lining the Pockets of a third world dicator. Sure they would might have to use additional public money but make the Effort and put money forward ,it would shame the US/France/Germany into emptying their pockets.


Also thanks for the Support.



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Imperial Emperor, I had no idea you were a budding politician. Pray tell, which party are you looking to serve?

I'd like to throw an idea at you, something radical and very 21st century. Political olicies that centre around political reform. A party that puts all major political decisions in the hands of the people, where online voting on every major issue is standard procedure and where the political decisions that matter are dealt with in an everyday referendum, online.

In this day and age, with internet access as common as the indoor loo, it only stands to reason that major decisions be decided by the people. At the end of the day, the political parties are suppoed to represent us, the people, so let's harness the power of the internet so the people can be heard!

It's simple to set up and even though Brown & Co. would guestimate such a scheme would cost £Millions and end up costing £Billions, I am an internet and database designer and I can assure you a scheme like this could be set up for less than £10k. Entering the national insurance number of every eligible voter into an online database register for national referendums. This is my vision for the future of politics in the UK and the erradication of the political class!

After the power to decide is back in the hands of the people, we give them real and important decisions to make. Everyday decisions about education, criminal justice, healthcare and expenditure. After a few years we will have a cutting edge political structure that's new, 21st century and fair!

- Example question number (1) Should schools start at 8am and finish at 6pm so that our children get a more intense education and their parents can go out to work without the burden of childcare?

- Example question number (2) Should road tax be reformed so that it's collected from a built in revenue on the price of fuel, so that those who use the roads the most, pay most (pro rata)?

- Example question number (3) Should paedophiles and sex offenders be castrated to remove their urge to re-offend?

- Example question number (4) Should we be building mosques or schools?

There are so many no-brainers that our current politicians just overlook. They're either too obsessed with handling personal scandals and covering up leaks that they just can't see the obvious, or they're just completely pig ignorant.

I like some of the broad policies you've outlined in your OP, but there are so many simple policies that are overlooked.

So, tell me more about your political aspirations.
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Some fantastic ideas there Imperial Emperor. The current Government are too scared to implement any such ideas so it would definitely be refreshing to see somebody like you as PM!
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Some good ideas there Imperialemperor but whos going to fund the regeneration programs of Iraq and Afghanistan? no doubt we the taxpayers.
As a result of the lies and the underhanded actions of that asshole Blair Iraq is in turmoil and we are now in a hopeless situation regarding Afghanistan with our boys being killed on a daily basis, in which i said would happen before our troops were even deployed.
Anyone with knowledge of history would have known that the British had their arses kicked in the first Afgan war in the mid 1800s, then their was Russia in the 1980s, they were their for almost ten years without the do gooders to hinder their movements but they still lost around twenty thousand soldiers before the mighty soviet empire limped away in a humiliating defeat.
Our glorious leaders have grossly underestimated the spirit of the Afgan but as usual our boys and their families are paying the price.



Britain gives 7.6 billion pounds a year as International "Aid". This could be relocated to Afganistan instead of lining the Pockets of a third world dicator. Sure they would might have to use additional public money but make the Effort and put money forward ,it would shame the US/France/Germany into emptying their pockets.


Also thanks for the Support.



In my opinion Britain should stop all foreign aid especially in our present situation with the recession and our war chest empty and well in the red.
Our economy is piss poor enough without the burden of giving away our much needed money.

We should also weed out immigrants with expired work permits and visas who are not working plus the obvious illegals but if they must stay they should be put to work in the community, litter picking, graffiti cleaning etc maybe even clearing snow ;) in effect putting something back into society rather than on the take all the time.
For instance those car wash services that have sprung up all over the country manned by eastern Europeans, from what ive seen and heard they do a good job and provide value for money.
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I'd like to throw an idea at you, something radical and very 21st century. Political olicies that centre around political reform. A party that puts all major political decisions in the hands of the people, where online voting on every major issue is standard procedure and where the political decisions that matter are dealt with in an everyday referendum, online.


The citizen's initiative? Where the people can force a change in law through petitions and all laws are debated.

Im Like the idea to an extent. I think a majority Utilitarian goverment should allow some sort of "Sovereignity to the People" but debating every political decision amongst the people, Online!?! .

That is radicial.

It would increase the waiting time for a decision to be passed and would elimate the ability to make "Snap judgements" on decision. But it would be in the purest form a "True Democracy" unlike anything seen in history , but that sort of reform could lead to the rise of "New Caesers" to challenge the might of democracy through manipulation.

Its a interesting Idea and as you say it would be easy to effectively do but I really wouldnt want to be the guy who trys do such a radical reform first.
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I think you'd have a problem decreasing police and especially firemen's wages. Considering the number of strikes we've had by the fire service over pay. I'd reconsider that option.

Also the national service for 16-17 year olds, what would happen to the one's who weren't medically fit for the forces? and i'm not talking about those grossely over weight, I mean people with medical conditions such as heart problems or epilepsy etc?
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A couple of questions Im not really all that political so maybe you know more then me.

I would leave the EU Political superstate while remaining in the European common market.

Do we not has a country do most trade within the european market.85% I think.
So could we not be in danger of losing this .Also dose the old model of the European common market still excist

Reintroduction of National service for a 12 month period for 16-17 year olds. They would be unable to go into conflict, would be paided a Monthly "Below Mininum wage" salary .

So forcing people to do something they dont want to is your answer.
What about them that want to go into further education to get better qualification for the job market or a step up for uni

Why pay them a wage below the mininum wage salary?

Also what will happen to them that want to conscript to the Army
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............... also the national service for 16-17 year olds, what would happen to the one's who weren't medically fit for the forces? and i'm not talking about those grossely over weight, I mean people with medical conditions such as heart problems or epilepsy etc?
Same thing as what happened to them in the 30's when conscription was just part of growing up! If you're a fat fcuk, you train harder, but if you have epilepsy you don't look at the flashing lights!
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I think you'd have a problem decreasing police and especially firemen's wages. Considering the number of strikes we've had by the fire service over pay. I'd reconsider that option.

Also the national service for 16-17 year olds, what would happen to the one's who weren't medically fit for the forces? and i'm not talking about those grossely over weight, I mean people with medical conditions such as heart problems or epilepsy etc?


They would be placed into special National sevice units, being trained more in first Aid, or simply being told to help the Community in non -active ways and/or they could be pressganged into working as Secretaries or other Administative personal in the Public services.

This would also apply to "Real" Conscious objectors. Only the extremely Unwell would be allowed to not do it.
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A couple of questions Im not really all that political so maybe you know more then me.

I would leave the EU Political superstate while remaining in the European common market.

Do we not has a country do most trade within the european market.85% I think.
So could we not be in danger of losing this .Also dose the old model of the European common market still excist

Reintroduction of National service for a 12 month period for 16-17 year olds. They would be unable to go into conflict, would be paided a Monthly "Below Mininum wage" salary .

So forcing people to do something they dont want to is your answer.
What about them that want to go into further education to get better qualification for the job market or a step up for uni

Why pay them a wage below the mininum wage salary?

Also what will happen to them that want to conscript to the Army


Yes the EU and The European common market are different things, the EU is built from the Common market idea. You could leave the EU but exist within the Common market.

We all do things we dont want to do, its Life. At least this would have benefits.

I would pay them below minimum wage because under 18's dont have to be paid the Mininum wage, otherwise the Idea would be FAR to expensive and its not meant to be a job, its a Educational experience with pocket money included ;)


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Imperial Emperor, you remind me of somebody I have spoken with previously on the internet. Does your first name begin with an M by any chance? I'm probably wrong and most likely sounding like an arse, but I'm just being nosy haha
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Imperial Emperor, you remind me of somebody I have spoken with previously on the internet. Does your first name begin with an M by any chance? I'm probably wrong and most likely sounding like an arse, but I'm just being nosy haha


Nah Its not M :)
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Ahh oh well. Good luck in politics and hopefully you'll become PM one day!
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Made a couple of addition based on Feedback I liked. Liked Geerts Idea but its unlikely it will get anywhere.
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Imperial Emperor, you remind me of somebody I have spoken with previously on the internet. Does your first name begin with an M by any chance? I'm probably wrong and most likely sounding like an arse, but I'm just being nosy haha
Not, Mohammed?
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all's i want is what i want and because i want it it makes me want it more and i want more people to want it, i dont give a f**k if they want it or not, i just know that at the moment 10,000 EDL want the fkin same thing, Enough is Enough!
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all's i want is what i want and because i want it it makes me want it more and i want more people to want it, i dont give a f**k if they want it or not, i just know that at the moment 10,000 EDL want the fkin same thing, Enough is Enough!


Relevance?
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all's i want is what i want and because i want it it makes me want it more and i want more people to want it, i dont give a f**k if they want it or not, i just know that at the moment 10,000 EDL want the fkin same thing, Enough is Enough!
Huh? What you banging on about? What do you want exactly?

If it's 'Islam out' then you're awright!!! We all want the same thing and the penny is definitely starting to drop across the whole of the UK.

Every time there's another terrorist attack by a British Muslim, every time Anjem Choudary opens his fcuking face, every time Muslim's take to the street, people wake up!! Every EDL demo, people wake up.

We're getting there for sure.....

I guess then the relevance is, what do we do with the rest of Islam once we've gotten rid of the extremists? Do we let it fester in their mosques, potentially breeding an entirely new generation of hate? Or do we investigate the sh*t out of it until it's exposed and reformed into something more Christian?
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I think he means,"We all want a happy new year,"


In the Most garbled of ways , Yes I think that what he was trying to say.



Oh and to answer previous questions, I would like to be a UKIP Mp.
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I like the basic manifesto based around moving more towards a capitalist rather than socialist society; Ironically just as the clowns over here are trying to move us into a socialist if not communist (if they had their way) government. I wish you the best of luck and I think your timing couldn't be better. I think people are sick and tired of the corrupt politicians flapping their lips about how they are going to be different and then just same ol same ol .
The only things I would change are: add term limits for politicians; have successful citizens serve for a fixed term and then return to private life therefore ending the selling out of politicians that,no doubt often start out with good intentions.
Secondly, do not lower firemens pay,freeze it if you have to, but they are way too important a service to compromise. ( I am not a fireman FYI)
Oh and good luck with the firearms, that alone will make the British Isles a way more law biding and polite place to live. Believe me it is not a good idea for anyone to brake into a home in the Southwest USA. They will be shot!
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Hi , some of you might know that I am a budding politician and the EDL represents to me a opportunity to "Poll the electorate" amongst the plethora of EDL supporters on this forum about my views , showing in the Future of if there is any chance of me having any support.

Ill divide this into a couple of Sub-headings.

Foreign

I would leave the EU Political superstate while remaining in the European common market. I would try to establish closer Links generally with the Commonwealth but strongly with the main Anglospherical countries ( Eg AUS, NZ).
I would continue the "Special Relationship" with America but not the extent of the "Blair-Bush - Lapdog situation".

I would contribute tribute rebuilding money to Iraq instead of the Traditional Generalized AID to many countries. This money would go towards the Oil industry and infostructure.

Afganistan would remain important. Instead of just fighting the Guerilla, efforts would be put into protecting farmers and Afgans livelyhoods. Discourage growth of poppy, encourage growth of cereal produce by subsides. Pour money into redevelopment and show afgans that there lives would be better under western influence. Boer- Styled propected containment camps set up around troubled provences to house the Population during nightfall (Meals and Propaganda).


Look for Alternative Oil sources to Avoid Russia to the greatest extent.

Fund and encourage Iranian Democratic revolution.


Domestic


The reestablishment of British culture in the British Isle.

Children would be taught from an early age British Values and history first. Encouragement of "Patriotic" tendoncies in Britain. Increase Free viewing of Nation sports and funding.

I would create an Unbendable "British bill of rights" Similar to the American one.


Reintroduction of National service for a 12 month period for 16-17 year olds. They would be unable to go into conflict, would be paided a Monthly "Below Mininum wage" salary . This would have many postive benefits. Its would remove the most financially unactive people in the labour market. Encourage Britishness/ Morals. Lower levels of Obesity and Crime. High levels of support for the armed services and recruitment.


Reintroduction of Death penalty. Life means life in prisons. Stripping down the prison service to make it almost unbearablely "Spartan". Using convicts as forced unpaid labour.

Immigration would be cut from 500,000 to 10,000. Profressional immigrates would be only accepted (Doctors etc). They would have to take strict test and a Legal oath to their new country.

New Additions- Limited introduction of "People Sovereignty"

Relaxation of Gun laws, with Handgun made Legal BUT with the Strictest control including Mental Health check before ownership.

The Establishment of a Commitee of experts who look at each individual useage of the Terrorism Laws to see if they were used correctly ( And not against pensioners who dont pick up dog poo). Incorrect useage means Jail.


Economics



Funding for the Military would increase largely to fit with Joint Tri- Nation service and to bring Britain back as a Military power. Army pay increased

The Social Services would be slashed. Police pay increases limited. Shedding of unneeded jobs in the Public sector. Firemen pay decreases. Police retirement age increased to 62 with administorally work from 50.

Education and health services with freezed anual rise in expenditure for 5 years.

Legal decrease in union power.

Income tax cuts for the Middle and Lower class (The Wealth generators) increase tax for the "Ultra wealthy".

Subsides on Specialized British industry such as pharmaceuticals to encourage growth.

Finance services would be incouraged to grow again but they would have to back up a percentage of money in the coffers with a non-fluxating asset (Not houses) such as Gold or silver. This would help stop a loss of confidense in the financal sector.

Decrease in Oil Tax, which promotes consumption and lessens inflation.



So what do you think?


In short - no immigrants, more authoritarianism, bigger army, bigger state, more imperialism -- great! I'm sure the BNP will snap you up in a second.

Looks like we have another UAF lefty here :)
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Looks like we have another UAF lefty here :)
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I like some of your ideas but I am for a closer alignment with our traditional ally Russia
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no more dilution of british values is the best start we could make
the sun never sets on the british empire
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In short - no immigrants, more authoritarianism, bigger army, bigger state, more imperialism -- great! I'm sure the BNP will snap you up in a second.


Yes, No, Yes, No ,No.


Imperialism Happens all around the world, Britain couldnt materialise into a "Imperial" Power if they tried, As America is the political Hegmoney at the Minute ( And as Many would argue is a Cultural Empire in itself) and China has all the straws when its comes to Trade dominance (Which made Britain).

I want more De-centralisation and Freedom for Britain. Liberty is something which we have scant little of in Britain.

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Imperial Emperor, having taken the time to read your ideas and then the comments made by others i can only say that i'd vote for you....

Yes i agree that some of your ideas need a little tweaking such as pay for important services like Fire/Police but as a starting point for getting the country back on track , i donn't think you are far off at all...

Pity one of our existing politicians couldn't find the Balls to pick up your ideas and implement them now....

One things for sure you've got alot of likeminded people on here who would support you......
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you need to drop the realism and become a neo-realist lol. authoritarianism will not be accepted by the british people. what is more, americans won't like it. americans are obsessed with liberty - which sometimes makes me jealous of them. for authoritarianism to be accepted there would have to be a serious economic collapse. people would have to be desperate. you can't just change a liberal welfare capitalist country into an extreme right wing state over night. the British state has evolved over centuries into what it is now (read edmund burke).

also, the only reason the extreme right rose during the great depression was because no one knew what fascism was. the western powers allowed it to happen for this reason and because they were terrified of communism. these mistakes have been learned. the elites and middle classes will decide what happens if there is an economic collapse. my guess is there would probably rationing etc. like during WW2. just thought i'd add that because it makes me laugh when extreme right wingers think the same will happen as in the 1930s. hitler could have very easily have been stopped by western powers. they allowed him to do what he did
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I also have a vague jealousness of the American ideas of Liberty, Liberty and nation should be some of the core foundations of everyone moral compass but Alas I doupt it will happen in Britain.

I wouldnt regard my self as Authoritarian, personal Liberties are very important in the modern world.

This economic climate has created the right atmosphere , given time, if you pull on the desires of the population you could see a meteoric rise in politics. If any of the Major parties gave the people what they want and not what the parties want, Politics wouldnt be full of scum bags.

The people want - Jobs, cuts in Immigration, Financial wellbeing. Give them that and you've won.
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Imperial Emperor, you remind me of somebody I have spoken with previously on the internet. Does your first name begin with an M by any chance? I'm probably wrong and most likely sounding like an arse, but I'm just being nosy haha
Not, Mohammed?
HE SAID THE M WORD ! ! !KILL KILL KILL !!!! HE SAID THE M WORD I SAW IT ...I KNOW HE DID !!!!! KILL KILL KILL !!! NO ONE SPEAKS THE M WORD AND LIVES... P.B.U.H......
he disrespected me ,us, er my sisters aunt and the takeaway owner... kill kill kill ....
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HE SAID THE M WORD ! ! !KILL KILL KILL !!!! HE SAID THE M WORD I SAW IT ...I KNOW HE DID !!!!! KILL KILL KILL !!! NO ONE SPEAKS THE M WORD AND LIVES... P.B.U.H......
he disrespected me ,us, er my sisters aunt and the takeaway owner... kill kill kill ....



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Ok questions,

Why the change in gun laws? Can’t say I’m keen on the idea initially. Would this not be a step in the direction of America? I appreciate what your saying about strict control but if the guns are around in the first place it’s that much easier for a nutter to get hold of one

Bringing the military back to power - again, why? I’m not saying this isn’t ideal but in terms of priority spending, why do you see this as a priority?

‘Lower pay for firemen’ - I’ll be interested to hear your reasoning for this but I’ll be surprised if you convince me. I’m strongly in favour of increased pay for fire-fighters. These men/woman are f**king heroes.

What party do you favour for the next election if you don't mind me asking?

Geert -

You sure you don’t want to run for PM? I’d vote for everyone of your ‘examples’
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I regard the gun Laws as a breach of Civil liberties. Normal people should be Allowed to have guns if they want.

The reason they got banned was Because of the reactionary policies of Labour in response to Hungerford and Dun, These sort of incidents could have been avoided if the police had maintained strick control over weapons (Eg not giving a licence to a man with clinical depression and other Mental Illnesses). There wouldnt be a increase in crime as long as the Licencing of Guns was strictly controlled.
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Bringing the military back to power - again, why? I’m not saying this isn’t ideal but in terms of priority spending, why do you see this as a priority?


The Military, Along with Education and health should be the Most important things for any goverment. Although I dont agree with Labour, Hats off to them when it comes to Education and Health. They did put alot of money into it but they unfortunatly also neglected the Armed forces.

This is why in Two conflicts (Iraq and Afganistan), a Nation of 63 million people, with the 4/5th biggest GDP in the world, are still fighting a war there. Lack of equipment, Lack of training, Lack of Bomb-resistant transports, Lack of funds to rebuild in the "Hearts and Mind campaigns, lack of helicopters, Lack of effort by politicians . There's a lack of everything in the Armed forces. This lack results in British servicemen deaths in Land Rovers, Helicopters coming down from age, Brits bleeding to death in a Helmand street because of lack of Body armour and Wars slowly being lost.

I wouldnt be "Militarising" the country I would just be restoring the Armed forces to the Level of capability which has declined in recent years. There's always going to be more wars to fight in the future and if we want to win any war in the Future, you have to be prepared for it.




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‘Lower pay for firemen’ - I’ll be interested to hear your reasoning for this but I’ll be surprised if you convince me. I’m strongly in favour of increased pay for fire-fighters. These men/woman are f**king heroes.


Sure Fireman do a good Job but there are problems. A fireman gets
£27,851 a year ( On average). This is a Ok salary but most of them work two Jobs, because of the relatively low amount of Hours they work as professional firemen before theres a shift change to get Fresh firemen on duty. As a result I know Two firemen's sons who go to expensive Private schools because there Fathers as well as being Firemen are also Managers in a Processing factory or a office workers. Firemen do get paid well.

I would like to make the Fireservice more into a volunteer force like they have In california but with a Smaller than now professional core.

I like the Look of UKIP.

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firemen, police officers, hospital workers (all of them) should be given a decent wage. they should all work a 40 hr week and should not be allowed to moonlight in other jobs. just pass a law to make it a sackable offence. simplz.

teachers, social workers and people who work with children in any area should not be allowed to start their career in child care unless they have had at least one child of their own. social; workers and child protection "proffesionals" are always saying "we will learn from this latest tragedy" but seldom do, because they havent got a clue how small children act. i can spot a miserable hurt child a mile away because ive had babies. anyone who hasnt had one cant know the difference.

all immigration should be stopped for the next ten years. we have enough proffessionals to train and teach the next two generations in all subjects already, we are full. end of. Anyone wanting to come here for any reason should have the financial means to purchase a home, and be able to finance that home for a minimum of ten years.

Anyone who is not born in this country who commits any crime should be repatriated to their nation of birth regardless of their fears of treatment there (they should have thought about that as they were committing the crime.) if they have wives, husbands or dependants they should be repatriated with them.

Any child that cannot speak fluent english should be stopped from attending school and their parents made to pay for an english tutor at their expense.

Any person entering this country should be exemped from claiming benefits and using national health services until they have paid a minimum 5 years national insurance, if they have wives, husbands and children they also should be exempted from all the same. a mandatory insurance for medical cover should have to be purchased to recieve emergency treatment only. this should not include maternity or dentist treatments.

i could go on and on and on. (and do at times)
can i be minister for social security please !
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Why would only the army get an increase in pay? Surely all forces deserve more.

All infantry units should have more pay than anyone enlisted soldier, saying this, I don't agree with the Royal Air Force's RAF Regiment, it seems almost pointless to have such a regiment. Intergrate them into the regular infantry roles, or have them choose airborne, line or seaborne infantry.

I'd personally pull out of Afghanistan, we would save the lives of many servicemen and women, and the country money. The money we save, we use to pay for new equipment for our military.
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Like most of it, and I figure what most of us think anyway. Don't understand the cut of fire and police pay. I would want the police to return to actual policing and persuing the real criminals.
I agree with the national service element, and will set off people in the right direction. There should be no excliusion for anyone. If your not fit for military service then a civil service role should be consiidered ()eg gardening for old folk, litter picking etc).
I think that most people are looking for real alternatives as i really think the main three have failed us for far too long to be trusted to go again with their pre election empty promises.
In regards to foriegn aid, as long as we have sorted out our own charity needs, no problem. I also think withdrawl from pointless battle zones such as Afghanistan should be a priority. Fight the war on terror here, we know who they are.
I'd like to see the return of the death penalty for murder, Child abuse and treason and the right to defend yourself and property withoiut punity.
Good luck, I hope something emerges as more than a protest vote
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Why would only the army get an increase in pay? Surely all forces deserve more.

All infantry units should have more pay than anyone enlisted soldier, saying this, I don't agree with the Royal Air Force's RAF Regiment, it seems almost pointless to have such a regiment. Intergrate them into the regular infantry roles, or have them choose airborne, line or seaborne infantry.

I'd personally pull out of Afghanistan, we would save the lives of many servicemen and women, and the country money. The money we save, we use to pay for new equipment for our military.


If I said Army, It was just a Mistake. I meant ALL armed services.

Afghanistan is a problem in itself. Leave it to turned into a Taliban Stronghold or pour more and more money into it....
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Why would only the army get an increase in pay? Surely all forces deserve more.

All infantry units should have more pay than anyone enlisted soldier, saying this, I don't agree with the Royal Air Force's RAF Regiment, it seems almost pointless to have such a regiment. Intergrate them into the regular infantry roles, or have them choose airborne, line or seaborne infantry.

I'd personally pull out of Afghanistan, we would save the lives of many servicemen and women, and the country money. The money we save, we use to pay for new equipment for our military.


If I said Army, It was just a Mistake. I meant ALL armed services.

Afghanistan is a problem in itself. Leave it to turned into a Taliban Stronghold or pour more and more money into it....
Ah, then that's fine with me.

But Afghanistan is just getting ridiculous, our brave men and women are out their risking life and limb, for what? No one knows why we're out there. We're being told we're there to support the Afghan nation, but we seem to be getting no where, the government is still just as corrupt, and the Taliban insurgency in Helmand remains as strong as it was in 2006 when we went in.

If we pulled out, we'd save money. That money we save we pump into our armed forces to improve their living standards, their equipment and much more. Correct and fair taxes means we could decrease spending else where and bring up the Armed forces' salary.

The EU is costing us billions, pulling out of that would benefit us greatly, and we wouldn't have other nations control our laws, and well...our country.

Britain should be governed by the British, and represented by our Queen, and royal family. Not some French, German or Spanish over paid politician.

Everything you said in the first post, I completely agree with. But I just wish it was as simple as that...
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I'm all for civillians being allowed to carry guns after a period of time providing that we:

A) Cut the binge drinking culture out.

Seriously...the way people in this country drink right now there would be so many deaths per-year because some drunked up idiot takes a gun out with him and uses it in a heated row.

B) Supervised VERY closely

This means anybody with a criminal record is denied the right to hold a firearm until after a period of time has passed (depending on the severity of their offence). Also, I believe being given the right to carry a firearm should be like learning to drive a car. You would need a license, no previous criminal convictions and be assessed by an expert on whether or not you are able to handle a weapon.



I LOVE the idea of national service. I actually think it is a great way to turn boys into men. I believe school kids coming out of school would be thrilledto do a bit of national service. It would beat being at school for most of them. Also, it will get rid of our benefits culture.


Everything else is spot on aswell mate. You sound like you have some inspiring ideas to make this a great and innovative country again. Lets face it, Britain has lost its spark. It feels like we are a declining world power as opposed to the budding nation we once was. I yearn for an inspiring leader willing to make Britain GREAT again!
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Why would only the army get an increase in pay? Surely all forces deserve more.

All infantry units should have more pay than anyone enlisted soldier, saying this, I don't agree with the Royal Air Force's RAF Regiment, it seems almost pointless to have such a regiment. Intergrate them into the regular infantry roles, or have them choose airborne, line or seaborne infantry.

I'd personally pull out of Afghanistan, we would save the lives of many servicemen and women, and the country money. The money we save, we use to pay for new equipment for our military.
Without the r.a.f regiment the airforce in depth defence of airfields would be gone.Think about this if all infantry were under the command of the army what general is going too say here have a battalion to defend airfields against attack there is no way r.a.f.regiment should stay but we should re badge our county regiments
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Get rid of the M.o.D for starters. An unmitigated disaster from the start. It's only role is to buy the shoddiest kit at the cheapest price and then blame everyone else but themselves when there are accidents, mistakes etc. A hateful organisation that I despise more with every passing day.

Pull out of the EU and get chummy again with the Commonwealth, it's a far larger market than the EU and it would all be fair and free trade not the socialist protectionism of the EU.

I'd Re-institute all the lost /amalgamated regiments that had proud histories until they were disbanded or amalgamated. I'd beef up the Navy and the airforce whilst I was at it too.

Make it a capital offence to be a member of ANY socialist party but particularly Labour (well alright may be capital might be too far but certainly a criminal one or at least a crime of treason).

I think that all foreigners would have to register and report regularly to their local immigration officers. Citizenship should be earned not just handed out to any Tom, Dick or Mohammed that come from abroad.

I tell any Asylum Seeker to go to the closest country to the one he/she was fleeing. If they are genuine Asylum seekers then they will be only to delighted to reach the nearest country of safety and not the one that will hand them all the benefits they can get their hands on.

Institute a 200 mile fishing ban around our coasts to protect and preserve fishing. ( I want Cod and Chips not some thing that looks a bit like cod but's it's not!) Ban all no UK fishing vessels from British waters.

And how about returning us to the good days of feet and inches and throw out the pointless and very useless metric system. It was foisted on us by Labour for no reason but to destroy our National Identity. Give us back what is ours!
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I was thinking of this only recently, the only reason currently we have these "Supersized" Formation is to fit into the EU battle plan. If we leave the EU what the point in Having them? Reinstate the Old regiments.

Another Idea Ive been thinking of recently is much more liberial than my normal thinking but I do believe its the natural evolvement for the Education system.

I think the Government has a responsability to offer free, state funded child care for Children before they start Primary school. Pre-school Nurseries cost a fortune in today, My parents are currently paying several Hundred pound a month to send my one year old brother to Pre-school, so he can sit about and lick the floor.
Its not right that parents should have to fork out such large amounts of money for a service which they almost certainly need. Its added expense to something which is already an costly process, as we all know children are not cheap, especially in the current economic climate, I think it is unfair that parents should fork out cash for this when they could be struggling to pay the gas bill or the Morgage.

Plus offering State funded Pre-school would hopely encourage the Flagging Birth rate in Britain, stopping us becoming a nation of pensioners to soon...
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Get rid of the M.o.D for starters. An unmitigated disaster from the start. It's only role is to buy the shoddiest kit at the cheapest price and then blame everyone else but themselves when there are accidents, mistakes etc. A hateful organisation that I despise more with every passing day.

Pull out of the EU and get chummy again with the Commonwealth, it's a far larger market than the EU and it would all be fair and free trade not the socialist protectionism of the EU.

I'd Re-institute all the lost /amalgamated regiments that had proud histories until they were disbanded or amalgamated. I'd beef up the Navy and the airforce whilst I was at it too.

Make it a capital offence to be a member of ANY socialist party but particularly Labour (well alright may be capital might be too far but certainly a criminal one or at least a crime of treason).

I think that all foreigners would have to register and report regularly to their local immigration officers. Citizenship should be earned not just handed out to any Tom, Dick or Mohammed that come from abroad.

I tell any Asylum Seeker to go to the closest country to the one he/she was fleeing. If they are genuine Asylum seekers then they will be only to delighted to reach the nearest country of safety and not the one that will hand them all the benefits they can get their hands on.

Institute a 200 mile fishing ban around our coasts to protect and preserve fishing. ( I want Cod and Chips not some thing that looks a bit like cod but's it's not!) Ban all no UK fishing vessels from British waters.

And how about returning us to the good days of feet and inches and throw out the pointless and very useless metric system. It was foisted on us by Labour for no reason but to destroy our National Identity. Give us back what is ours!
Even though I admire some of your points, the stark reality is a lot different to your offering. We are just puppets now to the circus, which is the European super state. Our identity has been systematically erased away under Labours multicultural master plan. They call us racists, they call us fascists and they are 'sickened' by their own flag. :ermm:
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