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Fort Hood: 13 US soldiers killed 3 injured by Islam convert
Topic Started: Nov 5 2009, 11:32 PM (85 Views)
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people need to have a common cause to live happy together as they can unite under that cause.
now if you say to the moderate muslims what is more important to you this country or islam and they say islam then there is no common cause here.
if they say this country we have a chance at peacefull cohabiting
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You know what, i'm sitting here totally and utterly pissed off just out the hospital with my leg in cast after being attacked in my own home 2 weeks ago. I'll be fucked for months to get back to where i was physically and mentally after last time this happened. Lost my personal training and security contracts, on the fucking dole. Have to move because of serious threats to myself regardarding a return visit, fitness going down the pan, physique going down the pan etc etc.

But it doesn't even touch on how fucking angry i am about these appalling atrocities committed we are talking about here.
When the fuck are we going to stop fucking around and not entertain these guys in case we offend some muslim that may, however small the threat is,may, kill our people?!

I have a very very good friend out in Iraq for the 3rd time just now, and the "developments" put in place by those above to appease these people are beyond a joke. My good friend is more or less a siiting duck out there ffs!

Afgahni "police" caught handing over weapons to the Taliban for the love of god, hello hello is anyone capable of grasping the gist of what is going on here?

The only reason for this i can see is that they have put Dale fucking winton in charge of threat assesment or some such other thing. I am so pissed off you have no idea, and to top it all i cant even go on a demo unless someone fancies wheeling me about which should give the UAF and other deluded cnuts a laugh if nothing else.

Pissed off.
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what you mean monster return visit?
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A Muslim perspective

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=9012324
Islam is not a religion it’s a f**king cult, I am still waiting for David Koresh to appear!!
This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of the EDL.
The EDL is ONLY opposed to Islamic Extremism
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ENGLAND-U AKBAR!
"ENGLAND IS GREAT!"

This is a chant i want to hear at ever demo from now on!!
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i could say england is great, but not that gooble de gook way of speaking lol
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Nov 6 2009, 01:22 PM
what you mean monster return visit?
Yes mate thats exactly what i'm talking about, stay on my own as well so its a pretty shit number the now.
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To the posters who keep saying we can not deportl British born muslims.


Laws can be changed citizen can be removed (example of this was Uganda in the 1970's when indians were told they must leave within a month), deals can be constructed with foreign countries.


It is possible maybe in this current climate unprobable but if things get worse Economically or some severe social unrest, the idea of repatriation or deportation will be considered/discussed.

Laws can be re-written or new laws created very quicly when required.
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very true jenkins
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Gas em. The powers that be really need to pull their f**king finger out.
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Look at this video, in Irak :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TUlb0aDldk




That's not surprising some Muslims are tempted to turn against their own army...

Again, muslims shouldn't be part of our armies.
It's too risky because they're torn by their patriotism and their faith.
If during a conflict in a mouslim country, they see a such destruction, they might decide to change their side.

I don't know... Imagine you're Christian, you live in a Muslim country, you're part of a Muslim army which invades a christian area and you see soldiers destroying a church... How would you feel ? What would you do ? Would you support your muslims mates like before ? Or would you feel frustrated and tempted to revenge ?

They can't be trusted at 100% because they're part of 2 opposed armies at the same time : the nation and the oumma (muslim community).
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it dont help for sure,but there allegiance is to 1 thing they will ineviatably turn
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Nov 6 2009, 01:51 PM
Gas em. The powers that be really need to pull their f**king finger out.
Murder two million people? You rock up to the army with this attitude fella and you'll last about two seconds before getting binned.

The hatred and bigotry on this thread is very sad and any suggestion that the EDL welcomes moderate Muslims can clearly be seen for what it is - a fcuking joke.

There is already a party that represents your views fellas - the BNP. I really hoped the EDL was different but it appears the mask has fallen off now and the mad, bad and insane are coming to the forefront.
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Nov 6 2009, 12:40 PM
IM GETTING FED UP OF THIS NOW. WITHDRAW THE TROOPS FROM AFGHANISTAN NOW.

No way should we RETREAT.

Thats what it would be and be seen as.

Hardly three lions stuff is it.

This is what our flag would look like in your world.
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Nov 6 2009, 02:42 PM
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Gas em. The powers that be really need to pull their f**king finger out.
Murder two million people? You rock up to the army with this attitude fella and you'll last about two seconds before getting binned.

The hatred and bigotry on this thread is very sad and any suggestion that the EDL welcomes moderate Muslims can clearly be seen for what it is - a fcuking joke.

There is already a party that represents your views fellas - the BNP. I really hoped the EDL was different but it appears the mask has fallen off now and the mad, bad and insane are coming to the forefront.
I did not mean literally gas them.. Im just saying some drastic needs to be done.
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Really is right, and I don't think he was making a sole attack on you Berkshire; but I've seen myself that there are people here who think that some muslims who don't necessarily have violent scriptural views, that love British values simply don't exist.

Edit - on another note, the forum has spat the dummy and apparently has created an extra 6000 blank pages on this thread. Will look into this.
Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 6 2009, 03:41 PM.
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Hi,

I agree with Real in a way, but you must not take those comments by EDL Hertfordshire literary.

It is inevitable, that feelings will run high, especially on here every time a terrost attack can be pinned on a muslim.

You see we don't have this problem with Hindus, or anyone else, just muslim extermists. So please if you can give the benefit of the doubt I am sure that EDL Hertfordshire is just angry like the rest of us.

The main principles of the EDL remain the same, no racism but anti-muslim-extremist.

I will add a disclaimer though in that some people will not agree totally in this group with the fundamental principles, but how do you filter them?



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Nov 6 2009, 05:05 PM

I will add a disclaimer though in that some people will not agree totally in this group with the fundamental principles, but how do you filter them?



The problem is NOT how you filter forum members but filtering Islam extremists/ non extremists.

Until society - or even better Muslims themselves (and thats the clue here) - can issue a definition then the EDL will always be open for those who tar every muslim with the same brush.

Such as me.
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lol

Well it seems you changed that tune in this recent post of yours, glad to see you came round :P

I do agree with the idea of muslims standing up against the extremists, something Robert Spencer has stated himself many times.
Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 6 2009, 05:35 PM.
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"All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings." - Denis Diderot.

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lol

Well it seems you changed that tune in this recent post of yours, glad to see you came round :P

I do agree with the idea of muslims standing up against the extremists, something Robert Spencer has stated himself many times.
I bet my wife that the geezer who shot up the US soldiers was a Muslim.

She accused me of 'generalizing'.

Hmmm.







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If it isn't, as someone mentioned earlier; it could be that he went postal and lost the plot.

If it's a muslim, then it's another clear case of islamic bigotry,
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"Survivors of the rampage that killed 13 and wounded 30 said the suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — "God is great!" in Arabic — before opening fire, base commander Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said."

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There is no reliable way to distinguish jihadists from peaceful Muslims. There is no Islamic authority (with the arguable exception of the Spanish ulama) that has declared that Muslims who hold to the theology and ideology of Osama bin Laden are not true Muslims and are not welcome in their mosques. Making this even more difficult is the doctrine of religious deception founded on Qur'an 3:28.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/afghanistan-rogue-policemen-murder-five-british-soldiers.html

2003, remember this?

Sgt. Hasan Akbar wrote in his diary about his plans to kill American soldiers
Hasan Akbar update
: "Diary: Soldier Wrote About Killing Buddies," from AP, with thanks to Michelle Malkin and Miira. In Onward Muslim Soldiers I wrote about Akbar's attack in conjunction with postings on Muslim bulletin boards in which the posters discussed joining the American military, going to the Middle East, and switching sides. That may not have been Akbar's plan from the beginning, but it does seem as if his attack was premeditated.

And again, the gorilla in the living room in this case is the loyalty of Muslim soldiers in the American military, particularly when the foe is Muslim and the Qur'an says that believers who kill other believers will land in hell (4:92).

Akbar, a Muslim convert, is accused of ambushing his fellow soldiers in their tents at an encampment in Kuwait in March 2003, during the opening days of the Iraq war. Two U.S. officers were killed.

Prosecutors have said Akbar told investigators he was worried that U.S. forces would harm fellow Muslims in the Iraq war. They are seeking a premeditated murder conviction, which carries a possible death penalty.

In the entry dated Feb. 4, 2003, Akbar referred to mistreatment by his fellow soldiers:

"I suppose they want to punk me or just humiliate me. Perhaps they feel that I will not do anything about that. They are right about that. I am not going to do anything about it as long as I stay here. But as soon as I am in Iraq, I am going to try and kill as many of them as possible."

Another entry said: "I will have to decide to kill my Muslim brothers fighting for Saddam Hussein or my battle buddies. I am hoping to get into a position so I don't have to take any crap from anyone anymore."

Elsewhere, he wrote: "I may not have killed any Muslims, but being in the Army is the same thing. I may have to make a choice very soon on who to kill."...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/04/sgt-hasan-akbar-wrote-in-his-diary-about-his-plans-to-kill-american-soldiers.html
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the ummah comes above everything to these people. muslims should simply not be allowed employment in certain sectors i.e police, armed forces etc.
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I think at the next protest we should make reference to the Brit soldiers killed by deception by muslims and the Americans too. We should carry the US flag alongside the Israel and Brit flags.
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Been on the news the muslim that commited these horrific acts was being looked into for possible terrorist links, and they are now trying to find a motive for these attacks.....

Geeeeeeez............................................
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Hours before the attack he was filmed buying breakfast and was wearing Islamic dress,the same kind of thing that Choudary wears.It looked completely inappropriate dress for someone who is a Major in the US army regardless of him being off duty at the time.Surely they have some kind of dress code for officers who are off duty?
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Nov 6 2009, 06:51 PM
2003, remember this?

Sgt. Hasan Akbar wrote in his diary about his plans to kill American soldiers
Hasan Akbar update
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Oh yes, If I remember rightly he was the guy who lobbed a grenade into a tent with his comrades inside

Another

Remember the Beltway sniper John Allen Muhammad who also exploded a grenade in an Army tent during his military service in Saudi Arabia and earlier stole an M-16 rifle on a base in Germany
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Just been reading the comments in the states. yep a backlash is coming. the yanks are basically saying what we are saying, that they are becoming increasingly frustrated with the pc attitude and attempts to cover up. its all gonna hit the fan in europe and the us one day
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Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is suspected of shouting "Allahu Akbar!" seconds before opening fire on a crowd of people near a Soldier Readiness Center at Fort Hood on Thursday. Hasan is suspected of shooting more than 40 people before he was shot four times by a civilian police officer.

Minutes later, when the carnage ended, 13 people were killed and at least were 28 wounded in what is believed to be the largest mass shooting ever to occur on a US military base.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=128165&d=7&m=11&y=2009
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Robert Spencer discusses the Fort Hood Jihadist on the Savage Nation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJjXp4pdRi0&feature=player_embedded#
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well, this might be just what the EDL needs in terms of gaining more international support.

I think there are serious issues at hand as to the fact that there could be 'jihadist' who have respectable jobs, ie dr's, police etc in this country who may 'turn' in the same manner.

I think the governement really needs to start clamping down on the suspects and retain the ones arrested behind bars, no more releasing them early, because they still are in jihadist mode ....
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Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html
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Nidal Hasan. A typical peace-loving Muslim

Up until:

Someone messed with his "Allah is Love" bumper sticker.

After all, just how much can a man be expected to take?
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peace loving....NOT!!!!
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He was a moderate muslim until he wasn't : Robert Spencer
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He was a moderate muslim until he wasn't : Robert Spencer
LOL, how true! How simply put. Careful though, dangerous territory again :blink:
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well, this might be just what the EDL needs in terms of gaining more international support.

I think there are serious issues at hand as to the fact that there could be 'jihadist' who have respectable jobs, ie dr's, police etc in this country who may 'turn' in the same manner.

I think the governement really needs to start clamping down on the suspects and retain the ones arrested behind bars, no more releasing them early, because they still are in jihadist mode ....
Glad I found this thread. Been reading a lot about this wacko and I share your concerns.

This is a yet another wake up call. How many wake up calls do we need to actually fight back at Islam and stop pussy footing around??
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After the 7/7 London transport bombings woke at least some people up to the phenomenon of British ‘sleeper’ Islamic terrorism – and, equally important, to the way this was continuing to be denied by the British establishment – the reaction across the pond was, to say the least, complacent. What on earth had happened to the British lion? Americans asked, scratching their heads in amazement at how a country which had once stood united in determination to fight the enemies of democracy on the beaches was now apparently indifferent to the spread of jihadi fanaticism and support for religiously inspired violence amongst its own citizens. Americans were particularly astounded that Islamists were even being recruited to serve in the British police and other parts of the establishment.

The fact was, however, as I have written and said on a number of occasions, America was going in a similar direction, albeit more slowly and with a quite different demographic. While the vast majority of its Muslim citizens appeared to be people who really had come to the US to get a slice of the good life and had signed up to American values, there was a growing element amongst US Muslims which was becoming steadily radicalised. Worse still, the FBI and other counter-terrorism agencies had been influenced by their appeasement-minded British cousins in the security world peddling their wholly false analysis of Islamic terrorism as having nothing to do with religion, encouraging US officials similarly to downplay or passively allow the rise of US radicalisation. (See for example this story about the silence over a Hizb ut Tahrir conference in Chicago.)

Now we have seen the horrific outcome – the Fort Hood attack which left 13 people dead and dozens more injured by army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who reportedly screamed the jihadi battle cry ‘Allahu akhbar!’ before he opened fire. There can be no doubt whatever that this was a jihadi attack upon America, not least from the evidence that has now surfaced of Major Hasan’s attitudes for months before his rampage – evidence that the US authorities simply ignored. The Times reported: ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6907137.ece )

His name appears above radical internet postings praising Islamic suicide bombers — something that the FBI was alerted to six months ago. He had frequent arguments with soldiers at Fort Hood because of his declarations that fellow Muslims ‘should stand up and fight against the aggressor’, and his vocal opposition to US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. He even appeared to celebrate the shooting dead of a soldier at an army recruiting centre in Arkansas in June, carried out by a Muslim convert. He said at the time that Muslims should strap on suicide bombs and detonate them in Times Square.

These were the extraordinarily provocative statements and actions of the army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan in the months before his deadly shootings at Fort Hood — a massacre that began with him shouting ‘God is Great’ in Arabic.

Yet not only did the US authorities ignore these warning signs that its army psychiatrist was an Islamist fanatic – it has been revealed ( http://gawker.com/5398253/nidal-hasan-ft-hood-shooter-participated-in-homeland-security-disaster-preparation ) that he was even a member of the Homeland Security panel advising on the presidential transition -- but much of the media reaction to the atrocity on both sides of the Atlantic has demonstrated an astounding state of denial. The BBC ( http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2009/11/pc-pr.html ) tried to close off any possibility that this was a jihadi attack and then appeared to lose interest in the story altogether; while the Guardian maintained that the victims of the atrocity were not the American military but the Muslim community, on the basis of revenge attacks against them of which, thankfully, there has been as yet not one sign. (This is the same Guardian that, week in, week out, runs mendacious or distorted pieces about Israel which contribute to a climate of frenzied hatred of Israel and its Jewish supporters which results in dramatic spikes in the number of attacks on British Jews). See Robin Shepherd’s blog entry ( http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/fort-hood-massacre-provokes-outcry-in-guardian-and-bbcover-fear-mongering-hysteria-against-muslims/#more-1505 ) for an excellent analysis of this extraordinary coverage. And see Robert Spencer here and here ( http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/ap-anti-muslim-backlash-immediate----but-offers-not-even-one-example.html#comments ) and C Edmund Wright here ( http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/fort-hood-jihad-shooter-was-disciplined-for-islamic-proselytizing.html#comments ) for some discussion of Jihadi Denial Syndrome in the US.

Now it has been further revealed ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html ) that Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a ‘spiritual adviser’ to three of the hijackers who attacked America on 9/11. Nevertheless, people are still suggesting that he just snapped -- possibly under the impact of, wait for it, post-traumatic stress arising from military conflict. In other words, he was not a religious fanatic but was merely deranged. But religious fanatics are deranged. How else to describe the people who cut off the heads of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg and so many others; or who strapped suicide bomb belts onto hundreds of Iranian children to turn them into human bombs against the Iraqis; or who want to murder thousands of their fellow British citizens because the Islamists ‘love death’?

Oh I forgot; they are all just resistance fighters against Israeli oppression.

One really has to wonder, looking at this reaction to the fanatic psychiatrist whom the US authorities employed to counsel their soldiers, just who really needs the clinical treatment here.
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