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Saturday 21 November - march against Sharia, central London
Topic Started: Nov 9 2009, 01:51 PM (270 Views)
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http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/indexMembers.html - when your on that link just click on events above and the info is there.

Good idea for a turnout? Might be worthwhile for us down South who can get there easily just to show up and show our appreciation for what these ex-muslims are doing. Views anyone?
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I think it is an excellent idea. Showing support for the ex-muslims will falsify claims of racism. Mind you, I suspect that the smearing campaign against the EDL might cause the ex-muslims to move away from it.
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I think it is an excellent idea. Showing support for the ex-muslims will falsify claims of racism. Mind you, I suspect that the smearing campaign against the EDL might cause the ex-muslims to move away from it.
Yeah, possibly. If we can protest with them it'd give us a better image then again ex-muslims might be wary like you say, they might have the idea that we're all racist football hooligans or some rubbish, if people are up for it though, I might go down there.
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Yes it would be a good idea want have to have any placards or anything . Maybe one saying we support this . But not to many has it is there protest and it wont be right to high jack it . Could have a couple of lads with there divisional tee shirts .
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I will forward the idea to other members of staff.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
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"All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings." - Denis Diderot.

"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
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How about making contact with the ex-muslims first, explaining them who EDL really is and ask for permission to join as such. If they refuse, members could simply come as individuals contribute to the general mass.
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Already two steps ahead of you outsider :P
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
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"All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings." - Denis Diderot.

"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
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Respect for these people

A lot of them have lost their families and friends by speaking out and have become outcasts in their community.

It's sad that it has to be ex-muslims (mostly asian origin too) for people to really take notice of the threat.
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i think the people officially putting this on might be the onelawforall group
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If someone is going to make contact with this group, don`t all bombard them. Lets have one person to liase with them.
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agree with MJ. I can do it if you want, seeing as I'd actually be heading down there on the day and could then say hi
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Nov 9 2009, 02:47 PM
If someone is going to make contact with this group, don`t all bombard them. Lets have one person to liase with them.
I have already had contact with this group.At the moment they don't trust the EDL and most of that distrust has come from reading through this forum.They seem to feel the EDL is connected to Combat 18 and the BNP.Another problem is one of "rights".According to Maryam Namazie,spokesperson for the One Law for All campaign, rights should be for everyone,not just the English and she believes the EDL are only interested in the rights of the English and not bothered about those who are suffeirng under Sharia in other countries.My feeling is that you should always put your own first but should be concerned for those who are being abused in the Middle East as we are indirectly affected by their suffering.But despite her opposition to the EDL she is worth listening to as she isn't afraid of speaking her mind and does speak a lot of sense.More to the point she has seen Shaia first hand as she grew up in post-revolution Iran.

Of course it would be a good idea to liase with these people as they are the ones who can ultimately put up the arguments of why Sharia Law should not be implemented in the Uk,and more to the point,why the civil Sharia courts should be abolished.These kangaroo courts are already causing suffering to abused Muslim women and their judgements are valid in British law.At the moment the EDL has clearly stated what it dosen't want but hasn't put up an arguments of how to put a stop to Sharia.Telling it to go away isn't the solution,we need to work with people who can make sure the law is changed so religous courts and tribunals are illegal.
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looking though their forum i see arthur has also posted there
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywlfbu-wjGU&feature=player_embedded
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Nov 9 2009, 02:27 PM
Already two steps ahead of you outsider :P
Now there's a blow to my ego... :D
So, what did they say?
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Nov 9 2009, 03:11 PM
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If someone is going to make contact with this group, don`t all bombard them. Lets have one person to liase with them.
I have already had contact with this group.At the moment they don't trust the EDL and most of that distrust has come from reading through this forum.They seem to feel the EDL is connected to Combat 18 and the BNP.Another problem is one of "rights".According to Maryam Namazie,spokesperson for the One Law for All campaign, rights should be for everyone,not just the English and she believes the EDL are only interested in the rights of the English and not bothered about those who are suffeirng under Sharia in other countries.My feeling is that you should always put your own first but should be concerned for those who are being abused in the Middle East as we are indirectly affected by their suffering.But despite her opposition to the EDL she is worth listening to as she isn't afraid of speaking her mind and does speak a lot of sense.More to the point she has seen Shaia first hand as she grew up in post-revolution Iran.

Of course it would be a good idea to liase with these people as they are the ones who can ultimately put up the arguments of why Sharia Law should not be implemented in the Uk,and more to the point,why the civil Sharia courts should be abolished.These kangaroo courts are already causing suffering to abused Muslim women and their judgements are valid in British law.At the moment the EDL has clearly stated what it dosen't want but hasn't put up an arguments of how to put a stop to Sharia.Telling it to go away isn't the solution,we need to work with people who can make sure the law is changed so religous courts and tribunals are illegal.
Thanks for the info....good post.
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Nov 9 2009, 03:29 PM
At the moment they don't trust the EDL and most of that distrust has come from reading through this forum.They seem to feel the EDL is connected to Combat 18 and the BNP.
This is very surprising. I found the BNP quite unpopular in the forum. What were they reading?
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We had a short lived debate but it seems we are going to get a member of staff or founding member to contact them. :)
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This is very surprising. I found the BNP quite unpopular in the forum. What were they reading?


They were reading the forum when it was infested with Nazis.




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Nov 9 2009, 04:01 PM


They were reading the forum when it was infested with Nazis.




F**k!!
Any chance of changing their precepcion you reckon?
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I think we should just show our support them for the time being and try to maintain good relations with them.

Then hopefully something can come of it in the future.
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I guess simply appearing there as individuals is what can be done at the moment
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Nov 9 2009, 01:59 PM
I think it is an excellent idea. Showing support for the ex-muslims will falsify claims of racism. Mind you, I suspect that the smearing campaign against the EDL might cause the ex-muslims to move away from it.
Why do you want to do that? The media has already s**t over us too many times, stop trying to bend over backwards to show them, if you know your not a racist then you should just laugh at the media for suggesting this group is full of racist nazis.
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Nov 9 2009, 04:09 PM
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They were reading the forum when it was infested with Nazis.




F**k!!
Any chance of changing their precepcion you reckon?
Its possible but it will be a slow process.At the moment the EDL is a nationalist organisation and people have come to associate such organisations with fascism.This is why the UAF getaway with calling the EDL Nazis.Its nonsense really as China is a Communist country yet it is also nationalist in that they put Chnese interests above all else and aren't really worried about what goes on outside their borders provided it doesn't affect them.Step out of line inside their borders and God help you.Most people in the ELD want to get back to what we used to be a couple of decades ago,not a white country but one where we did have a national identity.We have to get the message across that there is nothing fascist or racist about being patriotic and supporting our soldiers dosen't mean we agree with the wars the goverment wages.I don't think you can expect first generation immigrants to become English and adopt our culture but they should be encouraged to allow their children to integrate into society and gradually take on English culture.

What has happened over the last decade is enough to turn a moderate into a fascist and I can understand anyone getting angry.We have had something forced on us that wasn't in any elction manifesto and have a right to be angry.The politicans have abused our goodwill as very few objected to genunie people asking for asylum in this country.Before Blair got into power the number of asylum seekers was less than 20,000 per year,a number any modern European country could cope with but within four years it had gone up to 300,000 per year and put a strain on resources.
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Whether they support us or not, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of EDL support them 100%.
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It's the Ex-muslims who have the most to lose from Sharia.

corrct me if I'm wrong but ex-muslims would be hanged as per Sharia law instructions.


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Nov 9 2009, 05:36 PM
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Nov 9 2009, 04:09 PM
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They were reading the forum when it was infested with Nazis.




F**k!!
Any chance of changing their precepcion you reckon?
Its possible but it will be a slow process.At the moment the EDL is a nationalist organisation and people have come to associate such organisations with fascism.This is why the UAF getaway with calling the EDL Nazis.Its nonsense really as China is a Communist country yet it is also nationalist in that they put Chnese interests above all else and aren't really worried about what goes on outside their borders provided it doesn't affect them.Step out of line inside their borders and God help you.Most people in the ELD want to get back to what we used to be a couple of decades ago,not a white country but one where we did have a national identity.We have to get the message across that there is nothing fascist or racist about being patriotic and supporting our soldiers dosen't mean we agree with the wars the goverment wages.I don't think you can expect first generation immigrants to become English and adopt our culture but they should be encouraged to allow their children to integrate into society and gradually take on English culture.

What has happened over the last decade is enough to turn a moderate into a fascist and I can understand anyone getting angry.We have had something forced on us that wasn't in any elction manifesto and have a right to be angry.The politicans have abused our goodwill as very few objected to genunie people asking for asylum in this country.Before Blair got into power the number of asylum seekers was less than 20,000 per year,a number any modern European country could cope with but within four years it had gone up to 300,000 per year and put a strain on resources.
Spot on mate. Great analysis.
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Here's FreedomFry's thread on their Forum. Feel free to READ, but as MJ999 said, "don't bombard them". In other word's, don't Post on their Forum's; as much as you want to. Let FreedomFry take care of their question's first...
http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=7325
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giving it a shot as you can see but might have to go more directly with an email. either way, we'll sort this out, including whether individuals will be welcome on the 21st.
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not for me sorry. they no who we are and what we stand for , after reading ton of testomoneys on this ,ex muslim forum. they dont want religion of any kind. so will these people stand with people of differant faiths?also it was mentioned prev in this thread ,asylem seekers. this group are wanting to demand asylem for all who are escapeing sharia law. fine, i aplaud any soul who denounces this vile practice. but reality is everybody wiyh a religous or non gripe want to build a platform in my backyard to shot from. well am sick of this counries resorses being thrown about. the police we pay for are doin alrite on lots o,time, lol we need these alies agreed . but when we offer the hand of our country let them take it emrace it and fight for it. otherwise be with your loved ones and protect and fight there.when we have our streets back i will have more tollerance, sorry to anyone i may offend but its us that need alies, ALWAYS MY ENGLAND .
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Tonyloco,
If movements opposing Islamism, fascism and racism don't put their differences aside then Islamofascism will win. It is as simple as that. The differences brtween EDL and ex-Muslims of Britain are minute in face of the challenge.
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At the moment they don't trust the EDL and most of that distrust has come from reading through this forum.They seem to feel the EDL is connected to Combat 18 and the BNP.
This is very surprising. I found the BNP quite unpopular in the forum. What were they reading?
Just to point out, that quote is not mine. At first view, it looks like its quoting me. Just like to clear things up. ;)
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Yes, let's leave it to those amongst us who know how to deal with the situation. I was tempted to contact them myself, but it needs a delicate hand, and although I can be I will leave it to the experts.

I didn't realise such an organisation existed but I am going to keep an eye on it, and it has lifted my worries, slightly. Maybe Islam eventally will cave in from within? Some people have predicted it before ...
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