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| shiva | Nov 8 2009, 08:52 AM Post #1 |
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Here is something every one should read Suppose you stumbled upon the Constitution of an organization that was terrorizing the world. Would you ignore such a document, or would you read it? Suppose you discovered that this Constitution's most prominent themes were pain and punishment, thievery and violence, intolerance and war. If the regime's charter ordered its devotees to kill, plunder, and terrorize, would you sound an alarm? What if this Constitution was supported by a manifesto that contained the only authorized biography of the regime's founder, and the first devotees of this doctrine, its co-founders, said that their leader was a sexual predator, a pirate, and a terrorist? If you found such evidence, what would you do with it? What if this leader motivated his mercenaries to murder and mayhem by allowing them to keep what they had stolen in the name of the cause - their victim's homes, businesses, money - even their women and children? All right, no more hypotheticals. I'm going to share some passages from this Constitution - from the covenant of the world's largest and most violent organization. I have changed the names to disguise the source without altering the message. "Your leader has sent you from your homes to fight for the cause. Your leader wished to confirm the truth by his words: wipe those who disagree with us out to the last. We shall terrorize everyone who is unlike us! So smite them on their necks and every joint, and incapacitate them, for they are opposed to our doctrine and our leader. Whosoever opposes our doctrine and our leader should know that we are severe in retribution. And know that one-fifth of what you acquire as booty in war is for our great leader (the rest is for you). The use of such spoils is lawful and good." This popular and misunderstood Constitution says: "Fight them till all opposition ends and only our doctrine rules. If you meet anyone who disagrees with us in battle, inflict on them such a defeat as would be a lesson for those who come after them, that they may be warned. Slaughter those who disagree with us wherever you find them. Lie in wait for them. They are specimens of foolishness. Punish them so that our superior dogma and leader can put them to shame. If you apprehend treachery from a people with whom we have a treaty, retaliate by breaking it off. Those who do not think like us should know that they cannot bypass our doctrine. Surely they cannot get away. Fight them until they pay a heavy tax in submission to us; how perverse are they. Our leader and his doctrine will damn them. For anyone who offends our leader or opposes our doctrine will receive a painful punishment. We will burn them alive. So prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster, that you may strike terror in the enemies of our cause!" This Constitution is genuine, and millions follow its message. Exposing it - understanding it - might actually save you from the wrath it inspires. The covenant goes on to say: "Our great leader urged all who agree with us to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination, you will vanquish two hundred; and if there are a hundred, then you will vanquish a thousand of our enemy, for they are a people devoid of understanding. Our great leader drove your enemy back in fury. He motivated our side in battle. He made their citizens flee from their homes and he terrorized them so that you killed some and made many captive. Our great leader made you inherit their lands, homes, and wealth, and gave you a country you had not traversed before." This sounds like a terrorist manifesto - a covenant for war and genocide. Does anything this immoral, this out-of-touch with human decency, actually exist? If it did, and if it were this blatant, you'd expect to see its followers amassing their weaponry. You'd expect them to rise up and terrorize the world. Not only would they feel it was their duty to kill, you'd expect their fallen assassins to be immortalized - hailed as martyrs and paraded down crowded streets, banners waving, tears flowing, guns blazing, with angry diatribes spewing from hate-filled faces. You'd expect them to wage war under the guise of doctrinal supremacy, wouldn't you? And if there were such people, our journalists and politicians would have ferreted them out, exposed them, and protected us. Right? Wrong! With the exception of changing the names of the perpetrators and their victims, what you read is from the actual Constitution of an enormous, rapidly growing, extremely well funded, and horrendously violent worldwide cult. And as bad as that sounds, it gets worse in context. The manifesto proudly proclaims that unarmed civilians were annihilated by armed gangs. Men were decapitated on the orders of the dogma's founder. Thousands of children were sold into slavery. Women were raped - the leader himself participating. Townships were plundered, businesses were looted, and productive assets were destroyed. The villains slept in their victims' beds, abusing their wives and daughters. And each bloody affair was meticulously recorded by the founder's companions and later chronicled by the regime's most-esteemed clerics. It’s time to turn the page. Let's look at what the founder's companions had to say about their leader in his manifesto. Once again, I will change the names but nothing else. "Kill them, for he who kills them will get a great reward. Our great leader said, 'Our doctrine assigns for a person who participates in battles in our cause to be rewarded with booty if he survives, or he will be admitted into the Hall of Heroes if he is killed in the battle as a martyr. Had I not found it difficult for my followers to do without me I would have remained in army units fighting great battles and would have loved to have been martyred for the cause.'" The regime's founder is quoted in the doctrine's anti-Semitic manifesto saying, "Issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." He was asked, "What is the best deed?" by one of his devotees. The dictator replied, "To believe in me and our doctrine." "What is the next best deed?" the devotee queried. "To fight on behalf of our cause," he answered. At the end of one such conflict, one of the regime's lieutenants told his commander, "We have conquered another nation. The captives and the booty have all been collected. Now, my leader, may I take a slave girl from among the prisoners?" "Take any one you like," the warlord replied, raping one himself. Ever mindful of his duty, this regime's leader proclaimed, "Embrace our doctrine first and then fight." Followed by, "I have been made victorious with terror!" You have stumbled upon the Constitution of the world's largest nation - and it's not China or Russia. You've just heard the words of its founding father, and he's not Lenin, Mao, or Hitler. And today, this doctrine's adherents are doing what their founder and Constitution ordered: fighting, ravaging civilians, stealing the world's possessions, and using them to terrorize. Since it's happening according to plan, shouldn't we muster the courage to expose it - to speak out against it? Or should we remain silent for fear of offending them? The answer is obvious. Or is it? What if the names I substituted were Allah, Muhammad, and Islam? What if it's a "religion?" This "Constitution" is the Qur'an. The "manifesto" is the Islamic Hadith. The citizens of this nation are Muslims. They're doing what they were ordered to do. They left their homes to fight infidels; they stole our planes, ravaged our economy, and slaughtered innocents in the name of Allah. They even confessed to the crime. Yet not a single national spokesperson or politician has had the courage to hold Islam accountable. More from Prophet of Doom Edited by shiva, Nov 8 2009, 09:00 AM.
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| Flower Power | Nov 8 2009, 09:33 AM Post #2 |
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Come on, don’t be such an Islamophobe, everyone knows that Islam is the religion of |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2009, 09:50 AM Post #3 |
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That must be one of the "other versions" nof the quran. |
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| charlie | Nov 8 2009, 10:09 AM Post #4 |
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Not being funny we all know the extremist use there holy book and there religion .But anyone could use the bible to justify there twisted ideology of things the southern states of America all christian use the bible to say savoury was right . I know it was a christian man that help bring the end of slavery so it shows it can be used for good or bad like anything else. I said before I know you live in a Islamic state and witness things first hand . And seeing you lived with a muslim for 14 yrs you know all muslims are not bad so dont keep painting them has all bad.
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A WAY OUT FOR YOU NAZI SCUM THATS INFILTRATED THE EDL http://www.stormfront.org/ http://www.uaf.org.uk/ http://www.islam4uk.com/ | |
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| shiva | Nov 8 2009, 02:56 PM Post #5 |
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Every person who is born in indonesia must have an ID card, and on that card is stamped what religion their father belong to. On my partners ID is stamped Islam In 1965 when Suharto came to power, over a million non moslem where slaughtered, so many indonesians had islam stamped on their ID cards so as not to get their throats cut, including my patners grand father along with 14 other men in her village. Hindus, Buddhists and Christians can change their ID card to become moslem, but their is no way a moslem can change their ID to another religion There are millions of moslems In indonesia and throughout the moslem world who are in the same situation, if they attempt to change their religion, then the threat of being killed is very very real. I can bring hundreds of cases to this forum, including the ongoing case in america of Rifqa Barry These moslems are called Mushrikūn or Kufr by other moslems, there is no way can they be called moderate moslems, they are moslem for the sole reason they value their life and the lives of their closest Britain is supposed to be secular, thus these Mushrikūn moslems should be able to choose whatever belief the want, but unfortunately Britain recognizes islam, thus sealing the fate of hundreds of thousands of people who by fate and not choice are moslem. The only escape for these millions of Mushrikūn moslems is death or the abolishment of islam. And Charlie I have not been painting all moslems bad Edited by shiva, Nov 8 2009, 03:00 PM.
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| Flower Power | Nov 8 2009, 07:07 PM Post #6 |
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Shiva makes a valid point, and I think Mushrikūn’s deserve a new topic so that we can discuss this further. |
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| charlie | Nov 8 2009, 07:20 PM Post #7 |
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Cheers for that Shiva I know a preacher who come to my church a few weeks ago had just come back from Indonesia and preached in is words to hundreds of muslim in a open arena and he said some had converted to christianity one of them was the local henchmen of the muslims . Is indianashia that free? I know you said you cant change your I.D card I also know that is true in Egypt . So is it moderate enough to allow big open air venues?
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| shiva | Nov 8 2009, 10:02 PM Post #8 |
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Indonesia appears to be pretty moderate because it is in the Mekkan stadium of dawa as most of the moslems who live there, but Indonesia is slowly progressing to the Median stadium much like Pakistan. To understand how the whole thing works one must no a little of the recent history of Indonesia Before 1965 indonesia was the 3rd largest communist nation after Russia and China. This America was very much against. So they conspired with the Suharto to over turn the government. Suharto with the help of the military, Muslim youth groups and Nahdlatul Ulama (today considered a moderate organization) Although the general outline of events is known, much is unknown about the killings, and an accurate and verified count of the dead is unlikely to be ever known. There were few Western journalists or academics in Indonesia at the time, the military was one of the few sources of information, travel was difficult and dangerous, and the regime that approved and oversaw the killings remained in power for three decades But the estimate for the murdered is about 1,000,000, and another 1,000,000 where detained, and more arrests where made over the next years. At the time of this massacre most indonesians who where moslem where Mushrikūn, and those who where not changed their ID card to islam Suharto put his people (moslems) into power from village chief to the top echelons of power. People who did not convert to islam where thrown off their land or chucked into. Most of the people who changed their ID,s to islam had to keep avery low profile even to the extent that their children were sent islamic education, thus becoming Mekkan moslems and as each generation progresses so does the progression towards becoming Medinian moslems. So what we see today is Indonesia being in the Mekkan stadium of dawa but some areas such as Sumatra are at the Medinain stadium where sharia has been introduced, there are other areas which are on the verge of bringing in sharia, and it is being brought in by a very sinister way. Believe me I am not painting all moslems as black, as most people who rant on about moderate moslims do not know how it is with islam except what they read I know moslems who hate every thing to do with islam, but must go through the act just to stay alive. In fact there are millions in this situation, and islamic apologists are sealing the fate of these Mushrikūn. Sorry my friend I have no time for moderate moslims living in the west, where they can get out of islam with minimal risk. |
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| shiva | Nov 9 2009, 05:48 AM Post #9 |
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I don't think it will happen, it will start blowing away the myth of moderate "until they are not" moslems. |
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| Flower Power | Nov 9 2009, 07:57 AM Post #10 |
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I agree to a point, but I do know people who drink alcohol, indulge in casual sex and in some cases, eat pork, and still consider themselves to be Muslim. I call these people ‘cultural Muslims’, because they are certainly not living an Islamic lifestyle. I also know of ‘cultural Muslims’ who have become 'extreme', almost overnight. This might be controversial, but I am in favour of Western Governments stopping ALL further Muslim immigration because there is no way of knowing today which Muslims who claim to be ‘moderate’ really are ‘moderate’, nor do we have any good definition of what constitutes a ‘moderate’ Muslim (a ‘moderate’ Muslim would, at the very least, be one who does not take Islam, and what it inculcates, to hear, which is not so much of a ‘moderate’ as a non-believing, or selectively believing, Muslim), nor do we have any way of knowing how long that ‘moderation’ will last, nor if their children and grandchildren will remain ‘moderate’. If Western Governments are in need of immigrant workers, then we should be looking at people from other religious groups who do not come with a ready-made system of laws and customs that they consider superior to the laws and customs of the West, and are ready to replace the one with the other. Also, the Muslim system denies freedom of speech and conscience, as well as equality of rights for women and non-Muslims. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 9 2009, 12:53 PM Post #11 |
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Yes Charlie but has 'extreme Christianity' become such a problem as to require the formation of a movement such as the EDL to oppose it? |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 9 2009, 01:54 PM Post #12 |
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It has, it's called the reformations, secularism, humanism, democracy, the Allies in WWII, etc... What Charlie is saying is correct; any religion can be used for extremism, that's what history teaches us, but islamic extremism is the current problem. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 10 2009, 12:06 PM Post #13 |
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True, but it will be interesting to see how one goes about reforming the Immutable words of the Qur'an of which there is a perfect copy preserved on tablets in heaven sent down as God's FINAL revelation as guidance to humanity? |
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