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If the worst came to the worst...; Civil War
Topic Started: Nov 8 2009, 12:21 AM (717 Views)
shiva
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AgeofEnlightenment
Nov 9 2009, 12:11 PM
peterpedant:

I have given shiva one warning, most of them have actually come from T4A so you can take that up with him. Shiva has consistently argued against the rules of this forum by stating again and again that there is no such thing as a moderate/cultural/nominal yet he practically lives with one, and his attitude does seem nothing more than irrational. Basically most of us here share the same knowledge on the global/cultural jihad that is occuring, but the difference is that some people here don't make the gross generalisation that all muslims are evil, or that they're not muslims for not following the violent passages in the quran.

Not sure if this is paranoia or not but it seems to be the case, that and the fact he derailed the BMSD thread among others just because I wouldn't agree with him on this particular point.

You are a despicable liar

No where have I said on this forum or any any other forum or blog over the last six years that i have lived with a moderate/cultural/nominal moslem. What I have said over the last six years is I live with a muslim/moslem and on a few occasions when I have been asked to explain why I can live with and among moslems and hold such strong views, I have happily obliged, even as late as yesterday to another member on this forum.

You and T4A have never bother to ask me to explain, you both have penalized me for being critical of a potentially lethal myth.

And what do you mean by throwing another porkie that I derailed the BMSD thread, What I done was to warn that on the board of trustees was a coloured racist who also is known for her anti - semitism and very anti - Israel views. Also that another member advocates that moslem should only abide by British law where it doesn't conflict with sharia. If you should look into BMSD more carefully you will find out they are no more than a Dawa organization.

And as for disagreeing with you about BMSD, I had the best interest of EDL at heart, I know that many blogs world wide would take a very very view of EDL if they where seem to be mixing with a well known Jew Hater, I know how it will go down because I am a guest blogger on one jewish blog, also a guest in the Infidels Bloggers Alliance which happens to have a very large Jewish following. And to be liked to a Jew hater will not be helpful to rid the nazi image of EDL.

If you want to call me out on that, then I could quite easily put up a post on several blogs, then you can see the reaction at LGF and Huffington Post. Luckily I will not do it it as said before , I have the best interests of EDL at heart. But there are others lurking here who do not.

By the way I have known about these two from several years back as I have done posts about them before.

Wow! the porkies seem to fly of your key board like mosquitoes from smoke. when you claim that basically most of us here share the same knowledge on the global/cultural jihad that is occuring It is very evident that of the 40- 50 people who post here regularly it appears their knowledge is very varied, and it seems that those who lack knowledge are not going to learn much, with you and several other members/moderators stifling any serious attempt to debate islam, or throw the thread off course by bringing up Christianity and none relevant verses from the bible.

Oh how I wish I could be so sharp with words like the master of Islamophobia who can nail moderate moslems in just a few words

"Moderate until they are not"

Porkie again, I have never said moslems are evil here or any where else, and I don,t recall any body else calling them evil, so was again I will call you a liar

Even the EDL official spokesman has stated to at least one media outlet that his knowledge of the koran and islam is limited.

And another little porkie goes to market, just where in the rules does it say do not criticize moderate/cultural/nominal or dispute the kkkoran

The concept of Islamophobia has been criticized on several grounds. Some critics argue that it is real, but is just another form of racism and does not require its own category, while others argue that it is used to censor criticism, that its use threatens free speech,\ or is used to silence issues relating to Muslim populations in Western countries

Novelist Salman Rushdie and others signed a manifesto entitled Together facing the new totalitarianism in March 2006 which denounced Islamophobia as "a wretched concept.

My view is that Phobia = fear, well I am not scared to talk out about islam and muslims, and there is absolutely nothing wrong in speaking out truthfully, and not inciting violence.

Islamophobia is a concept create by islamic apologists and and moslems so as to stop any attempt to expose the negative aspects of islam

And you porkie thrower, on several occasions have quoted Robert Spencer who is labelled Islamophobic by many islamic apologists and Council on American-Islamic Relations

Islamophobia is a sinister tool to aid the advance of islamization

So as for me breaking rules is a very fuzzy issue.


As for violating the rules you have on more than one occasion used extremely bad language the worst being when you called those who did not agree with you anal - retentive f--cktards.

I have been called by you paranoid bigot and a host of other crap. there is something seriously wrong with EDL giving some-one like you a little tin star and making u a moderator

You Where given a little wrap on the knuckles for slagging two other members who actually go on demos, but that has not stemmed you from behave like a little Fuhrer.

Up until now I have refrained from hurling abuse in your direction after countless number of times u have hurled abuse at me, so I think I am entitled to throw a little back, despite the fact that I am one strike from being banned which several moderators have called for, and odds on u are among them

As I have said before I don't trust you, because over the years I have come across several like you, and some how I have a feeling I have come across you before, on another forum, your line of patter is exactly the same as another OZ

I have no more to say to you except it is treacherous jerks like you who are endangering our future generations by stifling debates on islam and moslems. Also when are you going to take your dapper off and wrap it around your head and reveal who u really are.

To oppose islam is not racism, it is a sign of a healthy mind
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AgeofEnlightenment
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Wall of bloody text.

Most of it is ad hominems.

I'll respond to some of the points and any others I find later, as I am about to knock off.

You did actually state you lived with someone who called him/herself a muslim but did things that aren't considered islamic. Isn't that what a nominal or cultural muslim is? When it comes to lying, look closer to home first before pointing the finger.

Yes and on the BMSD thread I stated that just because a few members have some dodgey views doesn't mean all of them do. That would be like saying that because one of the founding members of the EDL is christian, that likewise we are all christian. You use the same distorted logic, black and white mentality, and sweeping statements on this board about all muslims; frankly it's like hearing a broken tape-recorder.

Yes, you hate that I'm a mod. Get over it. At least I am upholding the rules of this forum by not acting like a paranoid, prejudicial twat.
Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 9 2009, 05:45 PM.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
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Nov 8 2009, 12:21 AM
What's your thoughts on this?

Do you think one day Militant Islam will go to far and civil war will break out? I know civil war is when a country is fighting against itself, but, you know what I mean. :P

I was thinking about this. The government obviously appease Extremists, which only lets them take more steps to total Islamification. Do you think the government will declare war on Militant Islamic Extremists in the country?

Or would it be up to the people to fight against them, and rise up against the appeasing government and take back our country?

I know the EDL is a peaceful organization, but, what if the worst did come to the worst (and God Allah forbid it), what do you reckon will happen?

Sorry if this is worded badly btw. :P

I think we will almost certanly end up wiith a northern ireland situation on our hands,when will this be?not next year or even the year after but i think we will see it,our children will almost certanly fight in it.
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I could quote on incidents that happened 3 days ago in Brum. You will never find them - not even if you know where to look. The reason it isnt on here is because no one can vouch for the incidents apart from me. I cannot mention the people involved due to my job.


Yes I under stand that there is a lot going down, especially when the media where keeping the lid on the cases I mentioned

Any way There are some stories that can be put together just by stumbling on bits and pieces

I will make anther thread to give you an example of a nasty bit of treachery by the BBC that I pieced together

That is if I am not banned because of my last post

HO HO
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Nov 8 2009, 01:08 AM
Best be prepared cos the way things are going by the time the general population wake up to the threat it will be too late

Prepared for peace,ready for war,now who was it that said that now.
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@DFW it was us who said it in the pub lol
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Nov 9 2009, 12:11 PM
some people here don't make the gross generalisation that all muslims are evil, or that they're not muslims for not following the violent passages in the quran.
Please note, any views posted on this board, and its contents are not necessarily the views of the English Defence League."
Muhammads Qur'an says there is no such thing as a moderate/cultural/nominal Muslim. He is the person responsible for removing all the grey areas not Shiva. You are just shooting the messenger - Shiva that is and not Muhammad! :)

You brought up an interesting point AoE and there was a reason I used sibawi as an example. " Just because a muslim has the attitude of Muammar al-Gaddafi doesn't make them examples of peaceful muslims" So how is anyone supposed to differentiate when we are jumped on by mods for being "inquisitorial" ? i am of course referring to the Polska thread. How do you know Polska would not have reacted the same way as sibawi when questioned about Islam? We obviously need to develop a strategy where we can feel comfortable enough to question Muslims about uncomfortable aspects of Islam without being accused of being the Spanish Inquisition. Nemisis I think you know my stance regarding demonising of ALL Muslims and I vehemently disagree with the practice. I am of the opinion that muslims are the first and worst victims of Islam.
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peterpedant
Nov 10 2009, 11:27 AM
I am of the opinion that muslims are the first and worst victims of Islam.
Fully agree mate
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Nov 10 2009, 11:32 AM
peterpedant
Nov 10 2009, 11:27 AM
I am of the opinion that muslims are the first and worst victims of Islam.
Fully agree mate
And they fail to see that
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