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If the worst came to the worst...; Civil War
Topic Started: Nov 8 2009, 12:21 AM (718 Views)
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What's your thoughts on this?

Do you think one day Militant Islam will go to far and civil war will break out? I know civil war is when a country is fighting against itself, but, you know what I mean. :P

I was thinking about this. The government obviously appease Extremists, which only lets them take more steps to total Islamification. Do you think the government will declare war on Militant Islamic Extremists in the country?

Or would it be up to the people to fight against them, and rise up against the appeasing government and take back our country?

I know the EDL is a peaceful organization, but, what if the worst did come to the worst (and God Allah forbid it), what do you reckon will happen?

Sorry if this is worded badly btw. :P

I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
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Nothing to do with the EDL, but I think there will be within 5 years. Not because of us, because of the Government.
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My view on this is that it wont be just in the uk but across europe. they will wait till sufficient numbers of muslims populate each country and then invade from the east, knowing full well that the muslims in each country will commence the sabotage. the problem here is because of so many in each country our nukes could be disabled before they attacked. seems incredible to me but i am not ruling it out.
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I'd also like to quickly say, I'm not trying to encourage violence from the EDL or it's members. This is just a scenario if the worst did happen.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
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Best be prepared cos the way things are going by the time the general population wake up to the threat it will be too late

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Nov 8 2009, 01:08 AM
Best be prepared cos the way things are going by the time the general population wake up to the threat it will be too late

That is true unforntunatley, people seem content to turn a blind eye to the problem until it affects them directly, by which time it will as you say be too late.
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Nov 8 2009, 12:21 AM
Do you think the government will declare war on Militant Islamic Extremists in the country?
No, because most of the public won't let them. The Government can't do anything until the public is awake...

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The torubles have taught me one thing, war should always be the last resort especially when it comes to protecting the freedom of the UK for which my forefathers have fought and died for then as an Ulster man the following image says it all ...

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lets hope the country wakes up ......
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The fact is that it is to late for peace regarding extremist islam be that militant or not, As it has already started. The fact is it is not to late and we can do something about it. People need to take it to the street's everysingle day if it comes to it. It is easy for jack straw for example to say it is not a threat and the BNP and other groups are exploiting this issuse.
Jack straw lives in a nice safe home with his security he is only dealing with rising jihad on peoples streets and the sooner idiot's who stop voting for labour the better.
If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities.

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Without a doubt.
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The problem is our politicians, there are very few that actually have any backbone. This is the fault of the media, who persecute an MP just because he's shagged some tart, big bloody deal.

If an MP smokes, drinks, farts or shags, the media hound him out of office. So, we are left with a bunch of weirdo's that have only left the front door once in a blue moon, don't know their arse from their elbow and wear suspenders on their socks.

No wonder the country is in the shite, all the real people haven't got a chance of getting any power just now. Winston Churchill liked a drink and a smoke, he probably wouldn't even get a seat in the commons these days, never mind becoming Prime Minister.
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Yes I do think there will be Cival War, and as someone has stated its started in a small way, soon it will engulf us all, Im ready and prepared
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My view on this is that it wont be just in the uk but across europe. they will wait till sufficient numbers of muslims populate each country and then invade from the east, knowing full well that the muslims in each country will commence the sabotage. the problem here is because of so many in each country our nukes could be disabled before they attacked. seems incredible to me but i am not ruling it out.
Actually, I believe it will happen differently. Jihadists will first aim at taking as many European countries as peacefully as possible (my bet is Denmark or Sweden first). By the time they win elections there the law will already be adjusted so that it will be very hard to criticize the ideology of the new government. This is what we are witnessing now with OIC in the UN trying to make criticism of religion a "hate crime".
Once a country is taken democratically there will begin a thorough process of indoctrination accompanied with suppression (intellectually or otherwise) of opposition. Next that country will become a springboard to spread the word of Jihad in other Muslim communities in Europe, and will also serve as a safe haven foro extremists that cannot act freely in the rest of Europe. The next step will be to aim further countries in the same manner. One difference will be that it will be far harder to stop "Swedish" or "Danish" from immigrating to the next European country, than to stop non-Europeans.
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To my mind people who want to secure the liberties of British democracy should join the armed forces, police and secret services ASAP and in great numbers. This way the government will have the most loyal people on its side. In addition, if the worst comes and democracy will collapse the democratic side will have well trained people in its ranks.
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Nov 8 2009, 12:21 AM
What's your thoughts on this?

Do you think one day Militant Islam will go to far and civil war will break out? I know civil war is when a country is fighting against itself, but, you know what I mean.

In my previous postings i have referred to the outbreak of a civil war many times, but it will only happen when the balance hangs in the favour of the Muslims and their tolerance finally diminishes.
Yes civil war is when a country fights against itself and indeed it will when the time comes, you only have to use the strength and numbers of our so called countrymen amongst the likes of the UAF and other treacherous groups
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Nov 8 2009, 11:30 AM
Yes I do think there will be Cival War, and as someone has stated its started in a small way, soon it will engulf us all, Im ready and prepared
are you ?.
Unlike most people around me ive been prepared for civil war for many years.
For far too long now ive been scoffed and sneered at and never been taken seriously but they are laughing no more because everything ive ever said is starting to come true, these same people are starting to show great concern now and when they ask my advise i just smile.

Yes im more than ready
"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!"

Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished

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This has been coming for some time now, I'm not advocating violence against ALL muslims I'm just ready for confrontation with a certain "type" of muslim.

After the Brum demo I went to starcity to go bowling with the missus, starcity security is basically run by muslim pakistanis and as I entered with my shaved head, tattoo's showing I was given some incredibly filthy looks by the doormen. I looked them straight in the eyes and asked them very politely *cough* "what the f**k are you looking at" they were surprised that I stood up to them straight after the rioting earlier in the city centre. Thes "type" of muslims are loosing their bottle and they know it, they also know we won't take their s**t anymore, the tables have turned and that's a good thing.

I'm no NF supporter never have been never will but u will battle with these c**ts till the very end.

REAL patriots stand their ground for the RIGHT reasons.
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As someone once memorably called a Topic similar to this in the past "This is turning in a Paramilitary Wankfest...." and could be aptly applied here...

....but Hypothetically if there was a Civil War in Britain ( Which I think is unlikely for various reasons which I will explain if requested) , The Country would decend in a genocidal Anarchy, with People butching their neighbours and most likely, unfortunatley, lines will be drawn along racially between the parties , so White=British and Arab=Muslim , with no grey area in the Middle because it would be easiest for mass of frenzied panicked mob to do so even though its wrong.

Its not a Nice situation to Think about.
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End benefits to all immigrants, stop any new immigration, ban halal etc will lead us to the same outcome. i.e. immigrants and welfare claimants will leave of their own accord.


The economic forecast for the next 2 years is very bleak, some of the mentioned policies will be implemented out of necessity, faliure for the next government to carry this kind of reform will otherwise create a civil war and carnage.

Patrioism is dead in this country it needs to resurface and resurface fast or we are all doomed.
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Nov 8 2009, 03:01 PM
Thes "type" of muslims are loosing their bottle and they know it, they also know we won't take their s**t anymore, the tables have turned and that's a good thing.

Afraid not, EDL have drawn attention to them, so they are just laying low so as the spotlight doesn't fall upon the creeping jihad.

The word is out to lay low, same as when Gert Wilders Fitna was released. The mullahs ordered that moslems world wide to keep a low profile, and not draw attention to themselves like the did with the mo cartoons.

The same is happening now, they are not going to make a repeat of Harrow, where they showed themselves up in a negative light. They are going to just sit on the fence and watch EDL and UAF battle it out, until the general public get sick and tired of UAF/EDL disturbances up and down the country.

Do not underestimate the power that the mosque leaders have. every where the EDL plan to demo, they can only raise 1000-1500 supporters nation wide, where as the imams can at short notice raise several thousand moslem locally, if they so wish. Just look at Harrow where there where more than a thousand moslems, just for a handful of EDL/SIOE supporters.

I will be very surprised if in the near future that the moslems make any large counter demo,s. They will lay low and start playing the victim card.

They do not have to resort to violence, they are winning the battle of Britain Islamization just by breeding like rodents.
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Sorry shiva that's a load of crap. You don't even live here so I'm not even sure how you can have such an "informed" opinion on this matter. I will make an appropriate counter to your comments when I get back to my computer.
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Nov 8 2009, 12:21 AM

I know the EDL is a peaceful organization, but, what if the worst did come to the worst (and God Allah forbid it), what do you reckon will happen?



Why is God striked out here, It should be Allah striked out surely ?
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Nov 8 2009, 12:21 AM

I know the EDL is a peaceful organization, but, what if the worst did come to the worst (and God Allah forbid it), what do you reckon will happen?



Why is God striked out here, It should be Allah striked out surely ?
Just trying not to upset Islamic Extremists. You know, since we're not allowed to show our faith anymore. Freedom of religion my arse.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
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Nov 8 2009, 06:01 PM
Sorry shiva that's a load of crap. You don't even live here so I'm not even sure how you can have such an "informed" opinion on this matter. I will make an appropriate counter to your comments when I get back to my computer.
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shiva that's a load of crap.


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You don't even live here so I'm not even sure how you can have such an "informed" opinion on this matter.


How long have you been blogging about islam and jihad ?

What makes you think I am less informed about the islamization of Britain than yourself and most others on this forum ?

In fact I could claim I am more informed than the majority here, because unlike most here I have been following what has been going on in britain very closely for the last six years as far as islam is concerned. I have been following various blogs, several forums, and the media. In fact I have access to exactly the same information as you do. Plus I have contact with quite a few people who keep me up-dated who happen to be pretty clued up on the islamic situation in England.

Before you start trying to belittle me, let me remind you that, though I live in Indonesia, I was able to point a couple of shady characters in the BNSD, who you overlooked in your desperation to find moderate moslems

Maybe I do not have direct street contact with what is going down in
I make up by finding out by monitoring the net far more than most of you here.

Also when it comes to most of the breaking news, I am reading it while you are still sleeping, due to the fact I am 9 hrs ahead of you.

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I will make an appropriate counter to your comments when I get back to my computer.


Go ahead

You threatened to slit me to pieces in an earlier thread

Ps. I notice you did not have much to say in the Fort Hood shooting thread, could it be because Fort Hood and the afghan shooting kind blows your thread apart See Here

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Shiva: Just a couple of points - don`t want to quote ur whole page.

Regarding living in this Country: People in certain areas of this Country see and hear stuff that goes on, that never makes any news. I could personally tell you stories from Birmingham that have never made the media.

As for being first with the news because your nine hours ahead - a few on here are up most of the night and the rest through the day. My job lets me keep various news channels on 24/7 if I can be arsed watching that long.
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Actually shiva iv had quite enough of fighting with various other bigots with vested interests that suit their own agendas. You and I can agree on most things but your incredibly neurotic and paranoid. Why call me "babe?" I thought you were a bloke living with a mushrikoon muslimah in indonesia? Strange stuff that "mate"

I don't want a war of words with you but keep it up and that's exactly what you will get and it won't be pretty believe me. Your post was to ridicule my thoughts on a certain "type" of muslim who are actually starting to s**t themselves. I live in Birmingham YOU DON'T! So don't try to rubbish my experiences at "street level" when you live on the opposite side of the planet for f**ks sake!

In case you didn't notice choudry didn't turn out to his planned demo location because there were plenty of likeminded lads waiting for him, he bottled it!

Put that in your blog and smoke it!
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ive got to say if the worst does happen !!!

but also

ive i ever found out i had cancer !!! or such life threatening disease i will go to where these extremists pray and do there evil deeds and see how them c**ts like knowing there gonna die ! ! ! they wont be meetin allah because in my back pack will also be filled with litres of pigs blood and they will know there blood will be contaminated when i go ! ! ! ! see how they feel ,

and that aint as a racist view , it would be where that choudrey was at with all his hate filled mongers .
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Nov 8 2009, 08:47 PM
Actually shiva iv had quite enough of fighting with various other bigots with vested interests that suit their own agendas. You and I can agree on most things but your incredibly neurotic and paranoid. Why call me "babe?" I thought you were a bloke living with a mushrikoon muslimah in indonesia? Strange stuff that "mate"

I don't want a war of words with you but keep it up and that's exactly what you will get and it won't be pretty believe me. Your post was to ridicule my thoughts on a certain "type" of muslim who are actually starting to s**t themselves. I live in Birmingham YOU DON'T! So don't try to rubbish my experiences at "street level" when you live on the opposite side of the planet for f**ks sake!

In case you didn't notice choudry didn't turn out to his planned demo location because there were plenty of likeminded lads waiting for him, he bottled it!

Put that in your blog and smoke it!
And can yo explainwhy I am the various others are bigots, just because we will not bow down to politically correctness and get suckered in by islamic dawa. Doesn't occur to you that that some of us have woken up to the fact that islam does pose a real threat to mankind's future, and our agenda is not to have our future generation living under he black cloud of islam. My agenda goes beyond that of the EDL, I would like islam to be made history.

Sadly it appears that halting the islamization is not a top priority of EDL.

Look how many moslems you have living in britain, and see how much of a pain in the butt they are, do you honestly think that the problem is going to go away just by removing the visible loud mouths, if you do then you are in for a rude awaking.

Click here maybe some thing interesting for you to read

It seems you are the one who is paranoid. If you had read my post you will see that I was not rubbishing you, I was to your post as a spring board so as to point out a tactic that the moslems seem to be adopting so as to shift the spotlight away from them.

You have on several occasion threatened to slit me to pieces and now you make another veiled threat I don't want a war of words with you but keep it up and that's exactly what you will get and it won't be pretty believe me. You seem to be rather aggressive type, no wonder the security gave you the cold eye.

I live in Birmingham in an islamic nation YOU DON'T! So don't try to rubbish my experiences at "street level" of islam when you live in a secular nation for f**ks sake!

Yes I did notice Chowder chops didn't turn up, fits in perfectly with the tactic I was trying to explain about laying low

Be a good idea for you to understand the concept of Hudna

In Islam, a "truce" does not mean a state of peace as those in the West would understand it. Rather it means a cessation of hostilities that might lead to a longer lasting peace if it so suits both parties. In an Islamic truce both sides will be free to regroup and rearm for the next battle. When the truce expires the sides will be free to go back to killing each other. A "truce" in Islam is not a negotiated peace wherein both sides intend to live in peace from there on out and try to work out things non-violently. It is like more like the off-season in football; they aren’t battling on the field, but they are preparing for the next season of war.

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So what's to be done?
To my mind people who want to secure the liberties of British democracy should join the armed forces, police and secret services ASAP and in great numbers. This way the government will have the most loyal people on its side. In addition, if the worst comes and democracy will collapse the democratic side will have well trained people in its ranks.
Sorry mate but i dont see this as i viable option as the govenment would
use the troops to help defend the extremists.To try to cover there arses .
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the next two years is going to be very interesting for any goverment,can see a pound collapse and the euro being introduced, going to take some cuts in public secture and welfare. which will create a lot of tension in uk. will be very intresting to say the least
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Shiva, get over yourself seriously. I have lived all over the eastern coasts and capital cities of Australia which are further ahead than where you live, you wont see me making a wanker point about being on the first side of the international date line.

I have also travelled to the US but I wouldn't claim for one second I know everything or more about jihad in that country than someone who lives near or in a troublesome islamic community. There are always incidences that never make it to the news, and frankly it does make you sound like you live in a news paper world.
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In case you didn't notice choudry didn't turn out to his planned demo location because there were plenty of likeminded lads waiting for him, he bottled it!
I think he decided to cancel it at the same time as he began planning it TBH. He just wanted to divide us; we fell for it. It didn't hurt us much though. In fact, it went in our favour slightly, because the EDL in London were physically attacked by racist Nazi's.

I agree with Post #21.
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Nov 8 2009, 08:47 PM
In case you didn't notice choudry didn't turn out to his planned demo location because there were plenty of likeminded lads waiting for him, he bottled it!
I think he decided to cancel it at the same time as he began planning it TBH. He just wanted to divide us; we fell for it. It didn't hurt us much though. In fact, it went in our favour slightly, because the EDL in London were physically attacked by racist Nazi's.

I agree with Post #21.
I would agree with that actually mate. However would he have turned up to his planned demo locations had the EDL, SIOE and MFE not been around? I'm pretty sure he would have done therefore he bottled it :)

He's a slippery c**t for sure and certainly not stupid enough to turn up when people are there waiting for him and his gang of jihadi reprobates.

The clash with nazis only strengthened our standing as we are in this for the RIGHT reasons.
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To some degree it could be a diversion tactic, it could also have been cowardice as nemisis suggested.

Either way it shows what kind of person he is when it comes to conflict.
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Can someone here please refute Shiva's points in a logical and rational manner rather than infantile tit for tat ad hominems?

And mods while you are at it can you please explain to me why Shiva has generated so many warnings when as far as I have been able to see he has not been abusive or said anything untoward? He has made some valid points and EDL must respect the right to FREE SPEECH. If you lose sight of this you will end up losing more members than you hope to gain. Be careful with your overly PC approach.

I will back up my concern with a comment posted on my YT channel which reads:

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u against muslims?

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nope - u against polytheist pagan idolators?

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nope m not against any 1 as much as that perssone is not hurting me

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Good I am glad to hear that sibawi20. now all we have to do is define your definition of "hurting you"? Lets say for example I did not fancy much living as a Dhimmi under sharia and had no intention of embracing Islam; Would I be hurting you?

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u r free 2 worship anything u want hurting me is like invadig my country or interfering my business

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Speaking of "invadig my country or interfering my business" (sic) can you explain the meaning of the 'Eurabia - Islam in Europe' wallpaper on your channel please?

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eurobia is peacful invasion no wars
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Can someone here please refute Shiva's points in a logical and rational manner rather than infantile tit for tat ad hominems?

And mods while you are at it can you please explain to me why Shiva has generated so many warnings when as far as I have been able to see he has not been abusive or said anything untoward? He has made some valid points and EDL must respect the right to FREE SPEECH. If you lose sight of this you will end up losing more members than you hope to gain. Be careful with your overly PC approach.
Fully agree mate.

The moderators are currently debating what the limits of what people can and can't say on these forums and this is a 'work in progress' with ideas from all sides being considered very carefully.

In the meantime a few mistakes might happen, nobody means any offence by that, we are all after all human.
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Personally i think Britain and indeed Europe is heading for some form of conflict, how bad it gets who knows? depending where you live in Britain there is already a low-level conflict going on (street level) but it seems to me eventually the extremists are going to eventually strike again. So far plots have been foiled but it only needs 1 big 1 to get through and depending on the nature of the attack, i cant see British folk just sitting there and taking it and no-one deciding to hit back, and from there who knows where it may take us.
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Thanks pdb I am glad that this problem has at least been identified and is being acted upon. keep us updated mate.
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peterpedant:

I have given shiva one warning, most of them have actually come from T4A so you can take that up with him. Shiva has consistently argued against the rules of this forum by stating again and again that there is no such thing as a moderate/cultural/nominal yet he practically lives with one, and his attitude does seem nothing more than irrational. Basically most of us here share the same knowledge on the global/cultural jihad that is occuring, but the difference is that some people here don't make the gross generalisation that all muslims are evil, or that they're not muslims for not following the violent passages in the quran.

Not sure if this is paranoia or not but it seems to be the case, that and the fact he derailed the BMSD thread among others just because I wouldn't agree with him on this particular point.

Oh and as for sibawi; he's not a moderate but an extremist, if you challenge him on anyting to do with islam he'll most likely revert to extremism or profanity. Just because a muslim has the attitude of Muammar al-Gaddafi doesn't make them examples of peaceful muslims. Youtube is also not a place you would go looking for such individuals lol.
Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 9 2009, 01:43 PM.
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Nov 8 2009, 08:38 PM
Shiva: Just a couple of points - don`t want to quote ur whole page.

Regarding living in this Country: People in certain areas of this Country see and hear stuff that goes on, that never makes any news. I could personally tell you stories from Birmingham that have never made the media.

I know

Four classic examples where Charlene Downs, Christopher Yates, Kriss Donald and the Kieghley sex grooming affair, In all three cases the media where keeping a very low profile.

The fist three cases, it was only on a few extreme right blogs that it was possible to find out about them and that muslims where involved.

Kriss Donald case

The Scotsman newspaper alleged a lack of response by authorities to concerns of rising racial tensions and that Strathclyde Police had felt pressured to abandon Operation Gadher, an investigation into Asian gangs in the area, for fear of offending ethnic minorities.

On 8 November 2006 Bashir Maan, a prominent Pakistani Glaswegian, also claimed on BBC television that police were well aware of the activities of Pakistani gangs in Glasgow but were reluctant to take action for fear of being accused of racism.

In a January 2005 interview with a Scottish newspaper, he had previously claimed that “fear and intimidation” had allowed problems with Asian gangs in some parts of the city to go unchecked.

The article also quoted a former senior Strathclyde police officer who criticised “a culture of political correctness” which had allowed gang crime to “grow unfettered”

The same with Kieghley sex grooming, everybody was keeping a blind eye on that until Nick Griffin went to Kieghley and spoke out their. interestingly part of his speech there was used the court case against him.

Any - way quite a lot can be found that is not reported can be found if you know where to look.

If there is things going on that the media are not reporting, then shouldn't it be taken up on this forum, or does it stride against the politically correct profile this forum is entrenched in
To oppose islam is not racism, it is a sign of a healthy mind
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Nov 9 2009, 11:14 AM
Can someone here please refute Shiva's points in a logical and rational manner rather than infantile tit for tat ad hominems?

And mods while you are at it can you please explain to me why Shiva has generated so many warnings when as far as I have been able to see he has not been abusive or said anything untoward? He has made some valid points and EDL must respect the right to FREE SPEECH. If you lose sight of this you will end up losing more members than you hope to gain. Be careful with your overly PC approach.

I will back up my concern with a comment posted on my YT channel which reads:

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u against muslims?

peterpedant (5 days ago)
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nope - u against polytheist pagan idolators?

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nope m not against any 1 as much as that perssone is not hurting me

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Good I am glad to hear that sibawi20. now all we have to do is define your definition of "hurting you"? Lets say for example I did not fancy much living as a Dhimmi under sharia and had no intention of embracing Islam; Would I be hurting you?

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u r free 2 worship anything u want hurting me is like invadig my country or interfering my business

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Speaking of "invadig my country or interfering my business" (sic) can you explain the meaning of the 'Eurabia - Islam in Europe' wallpaper on your channel please?

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eurobia is peacful invasion no wars
Oh no not Sibs?

One of the most retarded, hateful islamic specimins on this planet!

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peterpedant:

I have given shiva one warning, most of them have actually come from T4A so you can take that up with him. Shiva has consistently argued against the rules of this forum by stating again and again that there is no such thing as a moderate/cultural/nominal yet he practically lives with one, and his attitude does seem nothing more than irrational. Basically most of us here share the same knowledge on the global/cultural jihad that is occuring, but the difference is that some people here don't make the gross generalisation that all muslims are evil, or that they're not muslims for not following the violent passages in the quran.

Not sure if this is paranoia or not but it seems to be the case, that and the fact he derailed the BMSD thread among others just because I wouldn't agree with him on this particular point.

Oh and as for sibawi; he's not a moderate but an extremist, if you challenge him on anyting to do with islam he'll most likely revert to extremism or profanity. Just because a muslim has the attitude of Muammar al-Gaddafi doesn't make them examples of peaceful muslims. Youtube is also not a place you would go looking for such individuals lol.
I do understand both sides of this particular argument however is it good practice to demonise ALL muslims?

Is it good practice to demonise any muslim who frequents here, who would be prepared to demonsdtrate with us yet because of said muslims thoughts or actions is it conducive to the good of the EDL and its cause to slate these muslims by saying.....

YOUR NOT A MUSLIM!

I dont think so. Unfortunately some members here cant see the bigger picture. Posting such bigotry is counter productive, especially when we are trying to implement change through an "inclusive" agenda.

Some people need to think outside a bubble of delusion and live in the real world.

I know muslims who dont act like muslims should do, i dont say to them "your not a muslim" as that would offend them, being as they refer to themselves as such.

People SHOULD consider this train of thought for the benefit of our cause.
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I agree completely with these two posts.

Although I will say that next time don't quote a whole page to give a two line response :P
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There will never, ever be a civil war in this country.

Firstly, the police have enough power now to keep the vast majority silent. We live in a dictatorship so getting any sort of street army together would be nigh on impossible, and please don't say 'look at the edl though' because the majority of this group are so politically correct its untrue.

Secondly we live in one of the most civilised countries in the world. Where some people see a civil war erupting is beyond me, day to day life is still as normal as ever.

Lastly if a civil war was to ever erupt in this country, it would not be against muslims, it would be against asians in general, just like the riots of years ago. It ended up with blacks and all asian religions against whites. That is the way it will always be because both sides will have the us against them mentality.
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Well it will only end up that way because some people can't differentiate an extremist preacher or youth from a regular muslim, Asian, or Black.

These people need to get their eyes checked.
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"All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings." - Denis Diderot.

"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
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Shiva: Just a couple of points - don`t want to quote ur whole page.

Regarding living in this Country: People in certain areas of this Country see and hear stuff that goes on, that never makes any news. I could personally tell you stories from Birmingham that have never made the media.

I know

Four classic examples where Charlene Downs, Christopher Yates, Kriss Donald and the Kieghley sex grooming affair, In all three cases the media where keeping a very low profile.

The fist three cases, it was only on a few extreme right blogs that it was possible to find out about them and that muslims where involved.

Kriss Donald case

The Scotsman newspaper alleged a lack of response by authorities to concerns of rising racial tensions and that Strathclyde Police had felt pressured to abandon Operation Gadher, an investigation into Asian gangs in the area, for fear of offending ethnic minorities.

On 8 November 2006 Bashir Maan, a prominent Pakistani Glaswegian, also claimed on BBC television that police were well aware of the activities of Pakistani gangs in Glasgow but were reluctant to take action for fear of being accused of racism.

In a January 2005 interview with a Scottish newspaper, he had previously claimed that “fear and intimidation” had allowed problems with Asian gangs in some parts of the city to go unchecked.

The article also quoted a former senior Strathclyde police officer who criticised “a culture of political correctness” which had allowed gang crime to “grow unfettered”

The same with Kieghley sex grooming, everybody was keeping a blind eye on that until Nick Griffin went to Kieghley and spoke out their. interestingly part of his speech there was used the court case against him.

Any - way quite a lot can be found that is not reported can be found if you know where to look.

If there is things going on that the media are not reporting, then shouldn't it be taken up on this forum, or does it stride against the politically correct profile this forum is entrenched in
I could quote on incidents that happened 3 days ago in Brum. You will never find them - not even if you know where to look. The reason it isnt on here is because no one can vouch for the incidents apart from me. I cannot mention the people involved due to my job.
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Well it will only end up that way because some people can't differentiate an extremist preacher or youth from a regular muslim, Asian, or Black.

These people need to get their eyes checked.
No pal it will be the other way round, black lads and other asians will see it as whites being racist against anyone else who isn't white.

The media will call it a race war against ethnic minorities.
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Just because the media says so doesn't mean it will be so :P

I wouldn't be worried about that happening though, as you said before.
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