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Grant Shapps Political Forum; Lets change the perception of the EDL!
Topic Started: Nov 7 2009, 01:47 PM (546 Views)
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My post......


I was somewhat surprised that another thread relating to the EDL was locked and consequently deleted. Maybe this was because some people who frequented that thread were indeed incredibly rude and obnoxious, maybe it was because that topic was irrelevant to the sub forum?

In the hope that i can steer a debate on this social movement in a way that is fundamentally objecvtive, reasonable, polite and enquiring i have decided to post this issue here rather than de-rail any other thread where this topic is irrelevant.

What i found on previous posts were some incredibly unfounded "generalisations" that didnt actually represent the EDL as a movement in its true light, rather they spewed contempt and hatred to a cause that has not only grass root support but also political legitimacy.

It is a fundamental right under article 19 of the declaration of human rights that....

Article 19.

EVERYONE has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

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http://www.un.org/rights/50/decla.htm


So as it is my human right to exercise "freedom of speech" i would like to examine some accusations levelled at the EDL such as.....

The EDL are "racists"

The EDL are a watered down version of "Combat 18"

These issues i did deal with in that thread however for some reason they were avoided. I sincerely hope that this time around people can be more enquiring and actually delve into the EDL and its objectives with a more open mind rather than believe mass hysteria induced by the self serving interests of some media outlets.

How can the EDL be racist i ask? If you actually go to the EDL forum you will find that there are "rules to abide to".....

Welcome to the English Defence League Forum.
The English Defence League (EDL) has been formed by English people who are tired of our government being blind & Powerless to the threat of muslim Extremist terror threats. We are just normal English Citizens of mixed races who have had enough of threats of terror attacks from militant Islamists.
In joining this forum you must abide by our rules. These are simple.
It is NOT racist to be English and Proud. Any anti religious remarks made here, and warnings, or expulsion from the board will follow. Please note - Militant Islam is not a Religion.

Seems quite a reasonable statement of intent to me dont you think? No "racist" connotations there it would seem.

Even the EDL admin team have gone to great lenghts to answer some frequently asked questions.....

1-Are we a racist organisation? No we wlcome all types, We have black, Jew and indian members for example.

2-Are we going to be a political party? No, Never.

3-Are we against all muslims? No, We are against militant islam, Extreme muslims that want to impose sharia law on our country and more, (Which is never ever going ti happen!)

4-Are we football hooligans? No we are a mixture of all sorts of people from all different walks of life, There is alot of football lads involved as it needs people to face up to the terrorists but so far all trouble has been caused by the extreme left thugs the UAF.

Again there seems to be NOTHING racist implied in these posts either, so far so good id say!

So then theres the accusation that the EDL are hiding behind a facade of "inclusive multiculturalism" to protect their agenda so i think it prudent to show a video of the EDL talking to the press.....






Hopefully members of this forum will take time to look at this video and ask themselves this question. Are the EDL a bunch of racists when they burn a flag with a swastika in the company of their black friends?

If this doesnt induce some form of enquiry i dont know what will!!!!


Any suggestion of the EDL being a "watered down version of combat 18" is wholly unfounded which results in a GROSS misrepresentation of the EDL. This in my view is a scaremongering tactic used by those who wish to oppress freedom of speech, freedom of expression. Does this not amount to fascism?

I sincerely hope that people here can enquire with an open mind and ask any relevant questions. I understand that people will have concerns, those concerns i had that is until i decided to delve deeper into the objectives of the EDL. The conclusions i came to quite literally changed my perspective on the EDL.

Can they change yours?

Please debate.


Kev made a previous thread about this guy and the utter contempt and stupidity of these political reprobates was astounding. We had a roaring success hitting them hard from all angles.

However the "racist" tag (surprise surprise) remains.

Lets debate on this ONE issue first as a stepping stone to hit mainsteam thinking, increase our numbers and consequently have VOTERS singing from the same hymn sheet so to speak.

Heres the link to that thread....

http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,5871.0.html

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very good post

also any chance of capturing the screen .. just in case they decidie to remove it ... because if they do then they are supressing freedom of speech... <wink>
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It will be deleted again soon. Most posts made by our lot on various forums get deleted, people can't handle the truth.
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Might be worth approaching some of the other anti-EDL forums out there and attempting to open similar polite and reasoned thread?

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Well done, that is an excellent post.
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Nov 7 2009, 02:05 PM
very good post

also any chance of capturing the screen .. just in case they decidie to remove it ... because if they do then they are supressing freedom of speech... <wink>
Iv saved it to a htm doc mate.

Cheers for the heads up we need to be proving these c**ts for who and what they are and what they stand for.

Suppression.
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Nov 7 2009, 02:08 PM
Might be worth approaching some of the other anti-EDL forums out there and attempting to open similar polite and reasoned thread?

That is where we will make advances in our cause mate, in my humble opinion.

The PR war is as important as the one raging on in the streets.

By tackling both we can move forward.
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Might be worth approaching some of the other anti-EDL forums out there and attempting to open similar polite and reasoned thread?

That is where we will make advances in our cause mate, in my humble opinion.

The PR war is as important as the one raging on in the streets.

By tackling both we can move forward.
totally agree, this post could be used on many different forums for this purpose.

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one of Nemisis's better Topics.....
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Nov 7 2009, 03:35 PM
one of Nemisis's better Topics.....
Well cheers for that mate. I could argue about other topics but i dont think i need to ellaborate on them any more what is done is done. Rightly or wrongly i was defending the EDL.

Needless to say there was some method in the madness.
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It doesn't look like the MP or his constituents want to discuss the EDL any more.

Oh well nevermind :)
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lol .. its the weekend, they prolly 100 miles away from their consitency living the life of riley ... *coughs* getting quotes for cleaning the moat *coughs*
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Haha oh man

We are just about hated by everyone :D
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Why have a party that only focuses on one issue though? Life is a little more complicated than that, I'm sure. What is the EDL's stance on other extremists? Where was the EDL when we were under attack in the 1970's from extreme religious/political groups from Northern Ireland?

this post has seriously pissed me off ..... they do not have a f**king clue ... going out for a walk ...
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Nov 8 2009, 04:08 AM
Haha oh man

We are just about hated by everyone :D
We're hated by the vociferous minority, that have been allowed for too long to shape this land into the craphole it has become.

The silent majority are well and truly behind us.
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Grant Shapps and his cohorts hate Polish people, that's why 'Ghostown68' totaly hyjacked my post. My original question, under the EDL banner, was to ask him if he supports this motion about to be forward in the commons of 'quashing' us. Hence why this Gt68 made reference to my parents etc, saying that it was HIS country and not mine so what do i know about heritage etc. Grant Shapps only panders to his party faithfull constituents and he always gets them to stiffle any vioce of opposition. I've put it all over titter etc about this racist MP and i've urged everybody to mail him at ; shapps@shapps.com
He's obviously blocked me now. :D
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I was going to register to post on there but they ask you for your post code and mobile number Ive nothing to hide but dont think its right they should ask you your personal details like that .What political party is it?
A WAY OUT FOR YOU NAZI SCUM THATS INFILTRATED THE EDL
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Right that has really pissed me off. And I won't be at my computer till tomorrow. All I ask is that people don't bite to this provocation. The thread was soley about how "racist" the EDL are. Now if they deviate from that then remind them of the original post. They want people to loose it so they can lock and delete the topic. Don't play into their hands!
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Nov 8 2009, 04:33 PM
I was going to register to post on there but they ask you for your post code and mobile number Ive nothing to hide but dont think its right they should ask you your personal details like that .What political party is it?
I gave them a local asda postcode mate. Where there is a will there is a way :)
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Look up any Hatfield business postcode and any made up phone number.
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I registered with a Watford postcode. I live in Hounslow :o)
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It would seem they are trying to shift the topic away from their unsubstantiated slurs of the "racist" EDL!

Wonder why that is?

GhostTown seems to be unusually quiet on this matter for some reason?
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Just chucked my two pence in but I'm not expecting any constructive replies..
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Nov 8 2009, 10:53 PM
Just chucked my two pence in but I'm not expecting any constructive replies..
If you are Urban Tory, that was a cracker of a post.
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Just chucked my two pence in but I'm not expecting any constructive replies..
If you are Urban Tory, that was a cracker of a post.
Brilliant post, Really

The EDL has some first rate spokespeople amongst it's ranks whose talents are being criminally wasted!
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Really if that was you mate frankly that was fantastic brilliant job.
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Nov 8 2009, 11:48 PM
Really if that was you mate frankly that was fantastic brilliant job.
:$ Cheers all, I predict zero replies!
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Do you have to log in to view them? Saw the link in the first page, but not many on there.
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Do you have to log in to view them? Saw the link in the first page, but not many on there.
No you don't need to register or log in to read the posts.

'Eumelus' seems like an open minded sort over there.
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At least this has got some sort of ball rolling in our favour at the moment. If we can keep up this kind of momentum then we may well break that political taboo.

I hope so anyway.
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one of Nemisis's better Topics.....
LOL. Don't worry Nemesis, mort your posts are very good if not have a debating value.

BTW. Good post. ;)
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Grant Shapps forum is definitely worth a read this morning people...

http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php/topic,5871.15.html

Bloody well said 'Urban Tory'!
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That was a blinder of a post mate.
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Ghost town is a complete jockey!

Id like to see him respond to my points for a change!
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Ghost town is a complete jockey!

Id like to see him respond to my points for a change!
You aint got a chance mate. He's clearly one of those dicks that live in some kind of fantasy world, in his world he is always right.

I bet a lot of people think he is from 'Kent'. At least that's what people say under their breath as he passes
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Ghost town is a complete jockey!

Id like to see him respond to my points for a change!
You aint got a chance mate. He's clearly one of those dicks that live in some kind of fantasy world, in his world he is always right.

I bet a lot of people think he is from 'Kent'. At least that's what people say under their breath as he passes
LOL! Very true. However i very much like hanging dicks like this on their own words and logic.

Give em enough rope....
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I think I've done all I can do on that thread, but there are some vauable insights about how we are viewed by joe public and why.

Considering broadening out our camapign to encompass all of the things that are bound up with extremism such as immigration, counter terrorism and multi-culturalism is worth doing. Banging the drum on a single issue only leads so far and creates a perception of racism (I know, Islam isn't a race but most Muslims aren't white) that will continue to turn the moderate majority away from us.

The real question is then, can we evolve?
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What?

A couple of inbred gits on a forum say we need to expand into other issues so you're now pushing for it? Are you serious?

People are very clearly seeing we aren't racist, only a few that get all their opinions from certain sections of the press are following that viewpoint now.
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What?

A couple of inbred gits on a forum say we need to expand into other issues so you're now pushing for it? Are you serious?

People are very clearly seeing we aren't racist, only a few that get all their opinions from certain sections of the press are following that viewpoint now.
Immigration, counter terrorism and multi-culturalism aren't 'other issues' but part and parcel of the exact subject at the core of EDL's objective, which is ostensibly the opposition of Islamic extremism in this country.
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Immigration, counter terrorism and multi-culturalism aren't 'other issues' but part and parcel of the exact subject at the core of EDL's objective, which is ostensibly the opposition of Islamic extremism in this country.
hmm ok that's a fair point.
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Ghost town keeps relating to the Manchester protest . That's my home city ask has any of these violent crinmals that was arrested been charged with any offence the answer is no. The Nazi salutes he goes on about reported in the Manchester evening news ask him has he got photo evidence from that paper they did not show any . So he just taking someones worlds for it .Hes very open minded not .
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Excellent posts guys. Well done. If it carries on I'll add my support as well.
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The Shapps forum has provided a small but valuable insight into what lays ahead for the EDL. It is becoming ever more apparent that the movement is going to have to evolve to maintain the incredible momentum achieved so far.

To go to the fantastic effort of mobilising hundreds of people to gather on the streets to protest against Muslim extremism and the implementation of Sharia law in our country, and imagine that is all that is going to be ultimately required, would be incredibly short sighted.

I'm sure no one here, thinks for one moment, that our Government is going to simply roll over and acquiesce to demands, when the real possibility of outlawing or quashing the credibility of their antagonists, is a much less politically complicated option.

No question about it, to make any impact beyond the initial shockwaves caused by demonstrations, there has GOT to be informed and intelligent grounds for the demands being made and sound agenda put forward to counter the inevitable challenges that the EDL are going to encounter from the media, politicians and leftist public alike.


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Ghost town keeps relating to the Manchester protest . That's my home city ask has any of these violent crinmals that was arrested been charged with any offence the answer is no. The Nazi salutes he goes on about reported in the Manchester evening news ask him has he got photo evidence from that paper they did not show any . So he just taking someones worlds for it .Hes very open minded not .
Im waiting for his responses on this mate. I want EVIDENCE. If he fails to provide this then he will expose himself to be an epic fail. ;)

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Excellent latest post on the Shapps forum 'Hampton Cross'.

You guys are doing a fantastic job of smashing to bits, their obvious and snotty, sneering prejudice regarding the collective intellect of EDL supporters.

Well done!
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Its a slog mate but one worth fighting for!

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Up to date link, to save people having to search back through the thread: http://www.shapps.com/forum/index.php?topic=5871.60
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A fantastic job was done on the Shapps forum by a few people from here, yesterday to refute the radical anti-Muslim stance the EDL are being accused of.

However, if anyone were to visit these boards and read the flavour of the posts and comments made over the past 24 hours, I think that hard work will have all been a total waste of time.
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Mate i dont care too much about some blinkered idiots. There are some positive views from Snapps constituents though so the seeds of doubt have already been planted in some minds.

This is good for the EDL regardless. :)
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LOL!

You have just been sent a personal message by GhostTown68 on Grant Shapps MP's Welwyn Hatfield Forum.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

you have my ear - lets not have this ridiculous nonsense on the main board, please answer my post via return.

Many thanks :)



The lad wants to shut me up by using the pm system?

What are his chances? :D
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