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EDL Loosing support
Topic Started: Nov 7 2009, 02:42 AM (522 Views)
White Rage
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I have a fear that EDL has peaked, the non stop attacks against nazies
and right wing groups prove this to me;
also for how much longer will the police give the go ahead to Demos that cost the police and tax payers thousands of pounds
I think a BIG rethink is needed.
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AgeofEnlightenment
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Unless taxes dramatically raise during a protest, I don't think it should be a problem.

Plus the UAF seem more of a worry, larger numbers and as you've seen videos of them; they would cause a lot more trouble than the nazis.
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White Rage
Nov 7 2009, 02:42 AM
I have a fear that EDL has peaked, the non stop attacks against nazies
and right wing groups prove this to me.
It think it will peak many times.
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Peaked?! We've only been around for 4 months, not even started yet!
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I thought he meant the rate of which the number of member's are increasing. This should peak after every demo.

But after reading the Title, it appears he does not.

How did you check that White Rage?

The number of registered member's on the main Forum page still appears to be steadily rising.
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Doubt is the start of all failure, In situations like this a group simular are uneditable. Because there are numbers exceeding 700+ people feel confident going to marches the hard part is over and done with. It is shame the Islamists did not have there march with the news coverage I think our support would of doubled.
Edited by FreedomFry, Nov 7 2009, 11:37 AM.
If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities.

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I fear we are losing support, main reason being there is a lot of what could be interpreted as generalised hatred on the forum of late. And also some sillyt bickering we don't need....at all. We need to get back on with organising our demos, showing we are peacefully protesting and that we are against extremists. Feelings are running high after the shootings in america and that "cop" in afghanistan but we must try and use this to further our cause. Bickering and slating everything muslin wqill only cause us to lose members.
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What White Rage is saying is that the constant postings against people who sympathise with the BNP is losing EDL support. I also agree that there seems to be a great deal of bickering. There definitely seems to be lack of direction and maybe a shift away from the original motives. The video from Leeds to me just looks like a poor showing and rather amateurish. It is time once again to rally the nation behind the cause or Great Britain will be no longer. For real.
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what a load of bollicks, i feel this as just begun, as for the far right i say more english approve of us than them,, i realy belive england as been waiting for this kind of movement for years.
black, white english and proud.
this i belive will be just the start , a new type of nationalism for the uk
like supporting england no one cared what colour you were you were english and one of the lads (there will always be a few far right but they have no numbers or say)
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what a load of bollicks, i feel this as just begun, as for the far right i say more english approve of us than them,, i realy belive england as been waiting for this kind of movement for years.
black, white english and proud.
this i belive will be just the start , a new type of nationalism for the uk
like supporting england no one cared what colour you were you were english and one of the lads (there will always be a few far right but they have no numbers or say)
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expat
Nov 7 2009, 06:16 AM
i realy belive england as been waiting for this kind of movement for years.
black, white english and proud.
Not only England. In most of the democratic world the political platforms of the left were hijacked by people who actually advocate another kind of fascism. This pushed some people to the far right and left others with no public voice. EDL, Pax Europa and hopefully other movements provide, at long last, patriotic and truly democratic people with an opportunity to defend democratic values. This is why EDL is constantly growing, and why fear of its potential resulted in a smearing campaign. Aligning with the BNP and the like will drive democratic liberal patriots back home and reward the Guardian & co..
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White Rage I like you I really do. In this particular instance, you are talking out of your bottom mate.

We are more and more becoming heard by the mainstream, people are realising that we are not about what the SWP say we are.

This will not peak for a good long while yet.
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Far from it, the support for the EDL & against extremist Jihadists will only increase unless something drastically goes pear shaped and I can't see that happening. The numbers in the EDL will only get bigger and the voices more louder as time goes by.
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Alexander the Great
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This is bloody ridiculous. The group hasn't even started.
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Nov 7 2009, 11:06 AM
This is bloody ridiculous. The group hasn't even started.
early days yet and the numbers continue at a rate of about 40 a day it will only peak when we have achieved our objective
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seriously, we're just getting started

onward and upward!
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You only have to read the newspaper or watch the TV everyday to see why the EDL will not die out, i'm in this for the long run and i hope everyone else is to. If we fail and our enemy(s) pevail then we've let down our children and our nation.
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nemisis123456
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I cant see how the EDL is loosing momentum, far from it!

Inevitably there are always going to be differing opinions from social and political stances, we can argue amongst ourselves, we can debate each other (preferably in a polite manner although thats not always possible as thats human nature) but the focus is very clear and it appeals to ALL.

I cant see why the EDL would fail at all. It would take something apocalyptic to ruin this, as long as we stick to a UNITED consensus of what the EDL is about then we should be fine. Simple as.
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the op is i think thinking too much about the political / media onslaught. They would like to repeat the same ole EDL is facist / racist record..... and you are falling for it.....

EDL is growing, slowly ..... it is heading in the right direction, it wont happen over night, if your looking for EDL to have 20,000 members after 4 months then your expectations are too high. There are a lot of people who are sitting on the fence and have been waiting for that right moment ot make the leap.

What EDL does lack, is more people from the ethic communities wqithin the ranks at the marches. I was having a chat with someone the other day about image and first impressions and really it dawned on me ... i will do another post on this ...

It is unfortunate that we will attrach some nubs that will try and steer the forum discussions in the wrong direction. But being a supporter of free speech we need to allow these discussion to take place, albeit with moderation to remove any remarks that are not within the remit of the EDL i.e. racist ones
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well im new and im glad your here but dont stop. or we are then going to live under sharia law.
they protest the way they do as they are scared.
but why do uaf oppose edl so much. im not sure as your sending the right message its not a racist organization.
why do they not oppose evil islamic marches/protests? i dont know
i think a key thing would be convincing them (be nice to them understand them why they oppose edl so much) it sounds silly but i think its the way,they stop protesting against us the edl popularity will rocket
but what do i know im just a normal bloke o and a newbie

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It's far from peaked mate, far from it. This is an organisation in it's infancy and it is snow balling not peaking. More and more people are joining and more and more people are talking about it. The EDL will be in the tens of thousands if we keep up the momentum and continue to take to the streets.

I do think we need to grab the media interest more though.
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Thing will go up and down, we might have numbers down on one demo only for them to go up at the next one. It happens with any grouping such as the EDL, as long as we keep the momentum going things will be fine.
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At manchester numbers were 700 at leeds the numbers were 900 nott's 1100?
If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities.

Freedom is not free.
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I reckon much more for Notts, as we wont be falling for any Choudary wild goose chases and it's a bit more central for the Southern guys to be able to attend.
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In a way the media are doing us a favour as they are keeping us in the spotlight.Even this crap about being far right is still free publicity and numbers always seem to increase after each mention on TV or in the papers.

Nottingham?Probably around 1500-2000 as its easy to get to.The Mercians are parading through the city on the 5th so there should be a lot of people on the streets.
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Nov 7 2009, 08:51 PM
I reckon much more for Notts, as we wont be falling for any Choudary wild goose chases and it's a bit more central for the Southern guys to be able to attend.
I would agree with that mate. Being as the demo is in the midlands we should have bigger numbers attending.

Fingers crossed!
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Im willing to go notts and that will be my 3rd demo .I think the numbers will increase step by step . How can anyone say we peaked when Mps wont to ban us
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Oh my f**king auntie jessie, lol i dont believe what i am reading with my own eyes, oh ye of little faith. I myself think we got freds and family oh n work m8ts, who all think EDL are racist so we back to yhe it wasent me .
I was'nt there osifer!! lol Sorry boss i need my job its nearly xmas.
f**k that s**t!! Not only if we dont wake up and get a grip, you av no fekin xmas. I went through Rochdale Town Centre wi mi missus, when she starts givin large why are we payin for ead ligths where the fek is father xmas rahhhh,. they took xmas and made it theres under our fekin fekin noses.
Well you all better wipe the sand of your faces n big up ... lest we not forget ?????
Admin need help , we are bigger than expectations! Soon we will be more stream lined we all want direction me also , but for now my glass is half full and am going with respect with my heart, and for the sake of my family am gonna stay load and proud. Will be in Oldham WITH MY EDL SHIRT ON AND PROUD TO RESPECT THE THE REASON I EXIST, OUR HEROS ALWAYS MY ENGLAND!!
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People aren't as stupid as the media think they are. Every negative article is just free advertising - there's still many people who havent really heard of us - each one will prick readers' curiousity.

They'll come here and make their own mind up. Most rational people will be on our wavelength. As you can be rational and be on a different wavelength?!

We could have 5000 on marches by the this time next year.

Easily.
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5,000 ain't gonna cut it mate, we need 10s of thousands for anyone to pay 'real' attention. Just gotta keep spreading the word.
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I do agree that the demos are very amateur to say the least. It is a bit disappointing when you stand around for a couple of hours only for a couple of people to read pieces of paper of which very few can hear. If you are not stood right by the speaker you cannot hear a thing. I will still support the cause, but i may do what a lot did in Leeds and just show my support from outside the designated demo area. Because i refuse to queue for 25 mins for a piss. But like i say i will still be there in Nottingham.
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5,000 ain't gonna cut it mate, we need 10s of thousands for anyone to pay 'real' attention. Just gotta keep spreading the word.
Yeah fair point. I don't know what the leadership is doing but we perhaps need to advertise more.

Despite what they say newspapers are beholden to the filthy lucre, if we pay them money, they;ll advertise our demonstrations.

The rank and file bring more people into the fold via the internet and leafleting pubs in their area etc.

Coaches could be arranged to provide discounted travel for those put off by the cost of traveling.

Another suggestion is to take merchandise to sell at the demonstrations, as not everyone has an ebay account and not everyone who does, will know its being sold there.

PLus people are more likely to buy when they've had a few. :D

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i wil be in notingham i will be loud i will be proud. our leaders need ou suport, we are just a grain of sand on the scale of democracy, but our crys are getting louder. are numbers are growing we will be heard we shall not surender. we are eachother we are ENGLAND i wouled apreceate seeing posative words on any subject that consearns the defence of my ney our land iwith RESPECT to admin it wouled be perfect if you guys were waiting for your suporters to welcome them. suport and help to our fight for our country always my england .
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