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Islam4UK/Anjem Choudary Containment Thread; Plz keep All Posts Relating To Islam4UK Here
Topic Started: Oct 12 2009, 01:58 PM (407 Views)
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This is a deliberate plot. Islam4UK are doing this on the same day as the Leeds protest specifically to lure the EDL away from Leeds and to confront them in London. Anjem Choudrey knows that the best way to destroy the EDL is to trick us into violent confrontation because then we lose public support.

I say don't go, aside from a few London EDL who can film the proceedings. And when asked by the media why, say "because we the EDL doesn't exist to have violent confrontations - we exist to let the government and public know that we're not going to accept Islamic Extremism".

Basically I agree with everything Really has said, and he knows his stuff so I say we listen.
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I'm actually a little skeptical that they planned this demo just to counter the EDL in another geographical location. I suspect they've been planning this totally independently as the next in their series of demos.

As to whether this should be opposed by an EDL showing? I'm kind of split. On the one hand this is *exactly* what EDL was set up for, opposing sharia law and all that sails within it's tattered vessel. On the other hand, it's they themselves that might score the own goal by showing themselves to be the crazy fanatics they are. I wouldn't be surprised that if EDL didn't show, the press would be interested in why not and some good can come from that, but I'm just projecting assumptions.
I'd personally prefer having a lack of press for EDL and standing in the same place than for a confrontation that will muddy the name even more and thus give EDL an even steeper hill to climb.

It's academic for me as I can't make either (so you can tell me to shoosh if you want :) ), but it's stuff to be weighed up.
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Let them protest in London, they will make a fool of theselves, get it filmed but don't counter it. Does anyone here for one second believe the normal UK person would want Sharia law!!! Let them preach their hate in front of 10 Downing Street, let them make a fool of themselves, the media will broadcast, despite everything the BBC do usually take a neutral stance. Let them burn a union jack or St. George Cross or Saltire or Welsh Dragon and watch the membership here rocket. Best action is no action, no-one wants their mickey mouse law, they more they ram that crap down peoples throats the more people get pissed off and want something down about it.
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Worked properly, this could be a great way to show the non-aggressiveness of EDL's campaign. I think you should continue the Leeds march and develop flyers and banners alluding to what is going on in their capital city, London, on that very day. Educate the people of Leeds, be approachable - don't be led to London by the extremists. That's my take.

Mind you- it took a good half hour to calm down from reading that Islam4UK website - I need a lie down and a smoke....
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Oct 13 2009, 12:09 AM
Worked properly, this could be a great way to show the non-aggressiveness of EDL's campaign. I think you should continue the Leeds march and develop flyers and banners alluding to what is going on in their capital city, London, on that very day. Educate the people of Leeds, be approachable - don't be led to London by the extremists. That's my take.

Mind you- it took a good half hour to calm down from reading that Islam4UK website - I need a lie down and a smoke....
spot on with the banners highlighting whats taking place in London on the same day
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I wonder if they would let me ride my sisters horse is dressed as a crusader handing out flyers
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I wonder if they would let me ride my sisters horse in dressed as a crusader handing out flyers
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You have all heard it before.
Divide and conquer,
Is it a way to get us to split our numbers?
Is it a way to divert attention away from our demo (Leeds)?
Did our support grow by 3 times since the birmingham demo?
Has our support grown since the Manchester demo?
Will our support grow ,After the Leeds demo?

If the answer to these questions is yes,
Then why challenge this islam4uk demo
what are the benefits to the longer term goals of the EDL?

The possibilitys of a divided and weakened EDL ,Confronting these people,
What are the benefits?
I see none.
Arrange for them to be monitored ,No problem,
But to spkit our numbers ,And deny the people of Leeds the chance to say
"NO TO ISLAMIC EXTREMISM"
Bad move imo

Why win a battle to lose the war??


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Oct 13 2009, 12:40 AM
You have all heard it before.
Divide and conquer,
Is it a way to get us to split our numbers?
Is it a way to divert attention away from our demo (Leeds)?
Did our support grow by 3 times since the birmingham demo?
Has our support grown since the Manchester demo?
Will our support grow ,After the Leeds demo?

If the answer to these questions is yes,
Then why challenge this islam4uk demo
what are the benefits to the longer term goals of the EDL?

The possibilitys of a divided and weakened EDL ,Confronting these people,
What are the benefits?
I see none.
Arrange for them to be monitored ,No problem,
But to spkit our numbers ,And deny the people of Leeds the chance to say
"NO TO ISLAMIC EXTREMISM"
Bad move imo

Why win a battle to lose the war??
Spot on....
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I'm still not entirely convinced that we shouldn't go to London but I bow to the many that say we shouldn't.

I do think though, that as a group openly opposed to sharia and the UK becoming a muslim state (it surely will if our people do nothing) that we should be actively targeting this type of protest in the future. To my mind this is a perfect opportunity that we are going to let pass us by for no good reason.
I was not advocating violence, or saying we should do anything, just be there quietly with our banners, and our growing numbers would do all our talking for us.

This march by this insidious organisation is an open affront and insult to Britain, the British, our way of life and most importantly, our Monarch and it is deliberate.

These are our homelands, our flag(s) sacred, this march is an open insult to us. My blood is boiling, but I am one only so I have to back down and let this go unopposed, although it's not sitting well in my stomach.

I will admit to being a hothead though, I tend to act before I think. It is a trait that hasn't served me well and you will probably be proven right in the end.

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Definitely needs more thought, Infidel. I think everyone's gut reaction would be to go to London and be heard/seen.

However, I think the EDL will have a more positive impact by doing Leeds and keeping out of London. Several reasons:

a) You'll have a better chance of getting your message across if there are less anti-EDL supporters in Leeds (i.e. they've gone to London)

b) You can draw attention to the goings on in London at Leeds.

c) London could turn nasty if the EDL and Islam4UK, and potentially the UAF, clash.

d) People EXPECT the EDL to front up in London - surprise them, do the opposite, avoid confrontation and focus on the British people and the message against extreme Islam in the UK.

Remember guys, action - not reaction ;) We need to get out press asap telling people what is planned in London and what the EDL intends to do...
Edited by hvlm68, Oct 13 2009, 01:26 AM.
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Something is telling me you are right, I mean obviously I am wrong as I am the only one gobbing off about going to London! :D

The UAF will NOT be in London though, as that is a rightful thing in their minds, if the UAF were a political party in power? This would already be a muslim state.
The UAF will be in Leeds 'in force' (umm) against us "fascists" whilst the real fascists are parading in both London...and Leeds.

As I said, I'm a hothead and tend to go with gut reaction - probably not the best thing to do in this scenario :)
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Oct 13 2009, 12:25 AM
I wonder if they would let me ride my sisters horse in dressed as a crusader handing out flyers
I've got 2 more horses and had thought of that. but think we might best to buy ex police and army horses before with try that one.
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As I said, I'm a hothead and tend to go with gut reaction - probably not the best thing to do in this scenario :)


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If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream -- and not make dreams your master;
If you can think -- and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings -- nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
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Oct 13 2009, 12:40 AM
You have all heard it before.
Divide and conquer,
Is it a way to get us to split our numbers?
Is it a way to divert attention away from our demo (Leeds)?
Did our support grow by 3 times since the birmingham demo?
Has our support grown since the Manchester demo?
Will our support grow ,After the Leeds demo?

If the answer to these questions is yes,
Then why challenge this islam4uk demo
what are the benefits to the longer term goals of the EDL?

The possibilitys of a divided and weakened EDL ,Confronting these people,
What are the benefits?
I see none.
Arrange for them to be monitored ,No problem,
But to spkit our numbers ,And deny the people of Leeds the chance to say
"NO TO ISLAMIC EXTREMISM"
Bad move imo

Why win a battle to lose the war??
Totally agree.
This isn't going to be won in a few weeks this will be along struggle and we need one thing more than anything the supporter of the BRITISH PUBLIC. If we go to London and it kicks off we will be blamed even if we don't start it.
We should continue with Leeds and protest peacefully. Let the UAF attack us as that just adds to our numbers as Manchester has.
Think the idea of handing leaflets out telling people about their match is great. Maybe even get them out before Leeds, especially in the London area to let the public know.
Make sure we monitor they match though.
Whatever happens we should all stick together and do one or the other. Either way i'll be there.
We could be on the verge of something very big here not seen in Europe since the rise of Solidarity in Poland in the 1980's. If we gain the trust and respect of the people of our great nation then the powers that be will have to sit up and listen.
We will only ever achieve that if we keep it peaceful.
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Just been trying to get on to there site and all that I get is:

"Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL"

As there site been taken down?
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Hmmmm, I can't access any part of their site.
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Hmmmm, I can't access any part of their site.
Anyone else think Mr Choudary's direct challenge to democracy in this country has pushed the buttons of the men in Thames House?

Hopefully his fat jihadi arse is getting waterboarded as we speak..

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UAF will be in Leeds that day, not in London to oppose the islamists. Thus showing the general public UAF aren't in for Britain's best interest. It will further erode their support.

There is also to much potential for confrontation in London that day. It will put the EDL in a bad light if that should happen.
It will also divert the attention from Islam4Uk's message - let them protest so everyone can see their intentions.

By not showing up and let the demo in Leeds continue, EDL shows that they are not the violent thugs they are made out to be. This is a win win situation.
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Oct 13 2009, 10:08 AM
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Oct 13 2009, 03:35 AM
Hmmmm, I can't access any part of their site.
Anyone else think Mr Choudary's direct challenge to democracy in this country has pushed the buttons of the men in Thames House?

Let's hope so...
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its not working for me either
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nor me.but it was fine yesterday.
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to me that is exactly the type of thing the edl should be targetting.but what do i know.
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Just left him a comment on the matter but i`m sure it will not get aired.the man is a complete nut job.last time i saw a football ground under sharia law was in afghanistan when the then team coach abu taliban was murdering people for breaking one of there s**tty laws.
football matches in saudi and iran/iraq etc useually start with a ccouple of beheadings (normally females) for having the nerve to force a poor muslim man to rape her. there was one shown on channel 4 a couple of years ago. the poor child was 14 yrs old. dont ya just love allahs peaceful religion....
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to be honest i think this is probably just choudry and islam4uk expecting us to turn up get there faces on the tv and get some publicity i think the best thing we can do is get a big drawing in leeds make alot of noise so the majority of people dont even hear about there march just get a couple of lads to tape it and then use the footage later on to show people what we are fighting against
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My troops are going to leeds but i'm going to cover this for us, photos, videos etc. Will twitter news. anyone know the 'start' time? got all the other details, just not that. doh! :D
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Is that a number for the people organising the march? I might ring up and try to order a curry
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no answer from the numbers
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if this is for real then it's much more important that we be in london to counter it than all the way up in leeds
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we dont need to be chasing them, let them worry about what we are doing
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Is that a number for the people organising the march? I might ring up and try to order a curry
I love making prank calls lol, ill give em a ring
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IF IT'S NOT LISTED HERE, IT'S NOT OFFICIAL!

Let them march. People will see it. That's what we need. ;)

Don't worry about Her Majesty, she will be protected. In fact, I doubt she'll be there.
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Let them get on with it.

if they do succeed in getting to Buckingham palace the public outrage would be huge (just like it was in Luton). Where normal people of the town off all backgrounds shouted them down. It paint them in a bad light.

In my worthless view stick to Leeds and let them get on with it. Another Manchester in Leeds with this going on in London could work wonders.


In the words of Napoleon, when my enemy is making a mistake it would be rude to interrupt him (or words to that affect).
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this is perfect for us as it provides clear evidence to the regular public that muslims are attempting to implement shariah law in the uk
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We have had this discussion in another Topic. We are going to Leeds full force unless Admin say otherwise.
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As said by previous posters, keep well away from it, let them show the general public just what their aims are.

It's about time the media reported truthfully on us, if we are not there but blamed for any riots on that day we will have cause for redress!

UAF will hopefully join them, and get their a**e kicked!

Link to original page is here

Islam4uk

There's another link we should be interested in

Choudry addresses the EDL
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You know, I've actually long suspected MI5 involvement with him, for drawing extremists towards him so that they are easy to monitor however a Muslim member of the MPAC website has another theory about him that is plausable.

http://www.mpacuk.org/story/141009/extremist-muslim-nut-talks-about-edl.html

"Anjem Choudary is an agent of MI5, he is used to portray Muslims as a threat in order to continue government policies of war in Muslim countries, as well as incite division in society so people never focus their anger on the government, but on each other. This is why you see tribalism taking place in the not-so-United Kingdom (EDL vs Islamists etc). The new Islam4UK website is just another tool that the MI5 will use to cause further tensions between Muslims and Non-muslims in the UK.

It actually amazes me how no one could see the connection up to this point, even with his posh educated accent, his ability to walk around the streets without being attacked, his seemingly infinite amount of money to fund his subversive campaigns and roadshows, as well as the elephant in the room, the fact that no action is being taken against him.

I would urge people of all faiths to understand that you are being manipulated, by MI5, to hate 'the other'. Laugh at Choudary for what he is, a cartoon character, a Muslim bogeyman under your bed, a puppet which has been set up....... but focus on those who are pulling his strings."


You know...it totally wouldn't surprise me if this is true. I'm suspicious about Choudary, anyone in their right mind can see he should have been locked up/deported by now. The fact he is allowed to roam free is fishy.

So, what are the rest of the EDLs thoughts on this?
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I was having some thoughts about this, after reading your other post concerning MPAC. Hmmm.
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I'm suspicious about Choudary, anyone in their right mind can see he should have been locked up/deported by now. The fact he is allowed to roam free is fishy.


He couldn't be deported because he's UK born, but yeah it does seem abit fishy.
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"anyone in their right mind can see he should have been locked up/deported by now. The fact he is allowed to roam free is fishy. "

But so is the fact that Lord Ahmed was never prosecuted for treason. In fact, although Chioudary's views are extreme, he doesn't actually seem to be doing anything illegal, unlike Lord Ahmed who threatened Parliament with mob violence.
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I do strongly believe there is something more to it. Any muslim would know full well that holding a Shariah march demanding its implementation would not go down well with 99.999% of people and nor would it get listened to by goverment.

To pass new terror laws and legislations there must still be a perceived threat. It's a tough one to call and we would never ever know so i will just stick to Choudary being an extreme muslim with extreme views.
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well ... mi5 have done it before in northern ireland via sb and fru so anything is possible.

If he is a 'plant' thats getting paid and supported my mi5 then it is because they are using him to weed out the extremist in the uk, however .... he is too vocal ...... as in too in the face. In northern ireland most of the plants have been cloely associated with the key players .... some have gone as far to suggest that martin mcginess was a mi5 informant ... which i doubt very much ... the recent case of a plant was a driver for adams...

So i say choudry - no not a MI5 informant. And the reason he hasnt been touched is because they can 'monitor him' to weed out the threats ...



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I strongly disagree fellas...If Choudary is an MI5 agent then Nick Griffin is an undercover Muslim.
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This is more likely an Islamic originated rumour to get us to back off from the bloke, there is no way on earth he is MI5. He's another sick Islamist dickhead that we have too many of, simple as.
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They make conspiracy theories up on a regular basis, then preach them to the lefties. It's just a regular Divide tactic that they love to use. He's probably wanking over this thread as you're reading it.
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LOL another conspiracy... The Jews did 9/11? :O

Whenever Muslims are behind something, people always make up conspiracy theories to lick the muslims nuts and make the west look evil.


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you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers."

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You hate muslims, I take it?
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Well, I love my mother and I'm pretty sure she's a muslim, though she could be working for MI5.


"Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give
you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers."

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Touche! ;)
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I don't think he's MI5 to be honest but the debate raises another interesting question - and I'm kicking myself for not asking it before:

Who are the money men behind Islam4uk? They are never short of funds, as that Musilm conspiracy theorist points out.

Saudi maybe? This is a very good angle to attack them (we all know about Wahhabism) so if we've got any good researchers on here let's try to find out..
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