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Islam4UK/Anjem Choudary Containment Thread; Plz keep All Posts Relating To Islam4UK Here
Topic Started: Oct 12 2009, 01:58 PM (405 Views)
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The forum is getting a bit cluttered up with various threads about Islam4UK/Anjem Choudary so I have decided to pinn this to help tidy up the forum. If you have any new news or a view you wish to add please do not start a new thread, post in this one.

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Apparently Islam4UK are planning a sharia law march on the 31st october , the same day as the leeds march :



In light of all this, Islam4UK would like to declare the launch of a spectacular procession that will take place on 31st October 2009.

We hereby request all Muslims in the United Kingdom, in Manchester, Leeds, Cardiff, Glasgow and all other places to join us and collectively declare that as submitters to Almighty Allah (SWT), we have had enough of democracy and man-made law and the depravity of the British culture. On this day we will call for a complete upheaval of the British ruling system its members and legislature, and demand the full implementation of Shari'ah in Britain.

In forthcoming days, Islam4UK will also publish, as a run up to this special event, a fascinating insight into how Britain's architecture, transport and culture will be revolutionised under the Shari'ah. Watch out for articles including:

Trafalgar Square under the Shari'ah

Football Stadiums under the Shari'ah

Pubs under the Shari'ah

Buckingham Palace under the Shari'ah

Keep updated with www.islam4uk.com to see the Islamic blueprint of the remarkable changes that will occur in Britain as it transforms into a thriving Islamic State.
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LOL :D
The more popular their march is the more weight it adds to the EDL argument. We should do nothing to disturb it, we don't need to ape the UAF. We should be there to film it though, and report on it.
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I'll go with the majority on this one as it looks like a 'screwed if we do, screwed if we don't' scenario to me.

If we turn up in force we will be branded racist, even though this is obviously a march hostile to the UK.

If we don't turn up, we will be branded 'cowards' and the hostiles and their dhimmis will claim a moral victory.

What to do?
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We don't oppose them, we believe in free speech unlike the UAF.
Some of us could head down and video them, speak to them even. Debate with them. Remain polite and non hostile, try and verbalise our points and engage them on that level as civilised people.
We have plenty of time to organise our questions (must be done very privately).
We could interview him with our questions and video it. It is the perfect opportunity for us to let them shoot themselves in the feet.
We must look at every situation from the viewpoint "how can we make this work best for us".


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i supsect anjem choudary and friends will be there so i doubt a debate would be likely to happen.

This is not just about implementing FULL sharia law throughout Britain but also this march will be very anti-british period.

I would say though that we need to either march at this 1 or at leeds not both, we need to maximize numbers.
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LOL :D
The more popular their march is the more weight it adds to the EDL argument. We should do nothing to disturb it, we don't need to ape the UAF. We should be there to film it though, and report on it.
Well, I think it would be a good idea to have EDL and their March get close enough, because if we look at what the UAF do to us, it is because of the UAF that we get a lot of publicity, look at the trafalagar square EDL protest (10th september) if the UAF turned up then there would have been more news coverage rather than having an article which you have to SEARCH for to find it on the news websites.
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Where is it happening? Multiple cities?

It should DEFINITELY be filmed. If the EDL turn up there'll just be inevitable violence which will damage the good reputation that the EDL is building up.
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Yeah defo needs to be filmed! Like the last muslim march it wasn't reported and i doubt this one will be either
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We don't oppose them, we believe in free speech unlike the UAF.
Some of us could head down and video them, speak to them even. Debate with them. Remain polite and non hostile, try and verbalise our points and engage them on that level as civilised people.
We have plenty of time to organise our questions (must be done very privately).
We could interview him with our questions and video it. It is the perfect opportunity for us to let them shoot themselves in the feet.
We must look at every situation from the viewpoint "how can we make this work best for us".


Some good points mate, however you cannot debate with fundamentalists, and these guys are most definitely that. I don't see anything to gain from engaging them in 'debate', it would be a farce at best.
After further thought I would probably lean towards going, we are in opposition to everything they stand for afterall, being there in force, as many as we can muster and being extremely well behaved would probably be using the situation to our best advantage. Lots of banners, lots of impeccable behaviour in the face of what would afterall be our greatest possible provocation.

This Islamist march will definitely get the attention of the press and the country, it will be high exposure for us. Look what Manchester did for our numbers...

This is going to be a one sided show of sharia, I am not suggesting we do a UAF on them to try and stifle their 'right' to free speech, I am more thinking this will be hate speech and we can be there for the cameras with banners showing the other side of sharia. The side no Briton wants to see on our shores.

What's the point in standing opposed to something, if we don't actually go and oppose it?
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ha ha ah... let them carry on with that! They'll make themsleves look like a complete laughing stock infront of the whole Nation.
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Isn't that being held same day as Leeds (31st)??
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It is taking place in London

First Stop: House of Commons
The primary source of polytheistic legislation in Britain, the House of Commons is at the centre of Britain's oppressive law making policies; from here fallible men and women decide what should be legal and illegal. It is from this very place where the lives of millions of people in the UK are changed and it is from here where unjust wars are launched.

Islam4UK stewards and guides will be at hand to direct all attendees to the centre of the congregation from where the March for Shari'ah will officially commence.

Second Stop: 10 Downing Street
Almost 300 years old, 10 Downing Street is the official residence of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Gordon Brown, the current Prime Minister, is one of the chief figures in making laws and regulating the affairs of society. In the last few years, he has undoubtedly brought Britain down to an all new low and appears to be truly blind to the damaging impact of his oppressive bureaucracy.

After demanding the abolishment of the House of Commons Muslims will then march to 10 Downing Street, and call for the removal of the tyrant Gordon Brown from power.

Third Stop: Trafalgar Square
A site of significant historical value, Muslims will gather even more support from tourists and members of the public, making clear in the heart of London the need for Shari'ah in society.

Fourth Stop: Buckingham Palace
This is the official London residence for Britain's sovereigns including Queen Elizabeth II. Queen Elizabeth II, is undoubtedly at the source of all immoral laws in Britain; in receipt of millions of pounds in benefits from the public purse she is also the key signatory in validating all laws passed in the United Kingdom, and ultimately is the final step in which all members of parliament must pass in order for their laws and amendments to achieve frutition.

The final stop for the March for Shari'ah, Muslims in conjunction with Islam4UK will call for the complete abolishment of the British monarchy in favour of an Islamic system that provides real justice and immediate solutions to the problems faced in every borough in the United Kingdom.


the link : http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/46-uk/352--procession-march-for-shariah
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Oct 12 2009, 03:11 PM
Isn't that being held same day as Leeds (31st)??

Yeah, unfortunately.
Although this one is exactly what we are about isn't it? Opposing the implementation of sharia in the UK.

There will be argument for and against going to this one instead of Leeds, I just think if we stay away from this one it will be a spectacular own goal..

Reading the above from London Lion, IMO this march goes way beyong free speech, is an offence to Britain and an affront to every Briton that has ever lived, and died for his/her country.


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I tink we need to find more inventive methods than direct confrontation. I do not believe a direct confrontation would maximise our potential gain from this.
Will the uAF be protesting against this march I wonder?
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There'll be no need to go to this because the UAF will, of course, be out in force opposing the real fascists.

Yep. Course they will.

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Edit: I see I've cross-posted with DB.
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Well well talk about upping the ante, we've clearly hit a nerve and this is a direct response. No coincidence they've picked a day we are due up North to have their protest in London but going to Buckingham Palace whilst calling for the abolition of Democracy and the Monarchy is nothing short of a declaration of war. I've stayed off the streets until now but this is it for me, there is no going back anymore.

The question is how to respond. The police will be mob handed for this and it would be far better for any trouble to be dealt with by them directly because any EDL intervention, however well intentioned, will be seen as vigilantism. Let them have the rope to hang themselves and save us the trouble because if this doesn't wake up the sceptical public then nothing will.

Choudary the dullard is our best recruiting sergeant and hopefully he'll burn a Union flag somewhere the media are watching.
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leave them to it, let them show themselves for what they really are
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Oct 12 2009, 03:23 PM
going to Buckingham Palace whilst calling for the abolition of Democracy and the Monarchy is nothing short of a declaration of war. I've stayed off the streets until now but this is it for me, there is no going back anymore.
it's why I think we should go to this, I'd say this could be our greatest moment to date, not to mention a very effective recruitment exercise if we play it right.

This sharia/extreme islam issue is going to come to a head very soon I think.
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going to Buckingham Palace whilst calling for the abolition of Democracy and the Monarchy is nothing short of a declaration of war. I've stayed off the streets until now but this is it for me, there is no going back anymore.
it's why I think we should go to this, I'd say this could be our greatest moment to date, not to mention a very effective recruitment exercise if we play it right.

This issue is going to come to a head very soon I think.
Mate, the Guards Regiments will fix bayonets and turn these f**kers into burger meat if they start f**king around near the Palace. If we go there will be massive violent confrontation without a shadow of doubt. That will undo everything we've achieved so far and I think Choudary's calculation is that's exactly what we'll give him. He wants to radicalise moderates and he knows that the sight of 1000+ angry Englishmen wading through his mob wil do just that.

Don't let them derail our agenda and plans, as soon as they do they take the initiative away from us because we are reacting to them.

Our fight is not with Muslims on the streets it is for the hearts and minds of the British nation. Once they see these clowns in London you watch the trickle to the EDL turn into a flood.

Patience and discipline my friend.
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In my opinion we should mobalise everyone for this march,this is what we are all against and to let them do it unaposed will be seen as a victory in there eyes,they will be all over the web n in their publications saying the EDL that supposedly are against them didnt have the balls to turn up n face them.
The general public wont hear about it as the press of this country will be told not to report it,ignore it n it will go away will be the call of the polititions.
We need to counter this,we need massive numbers for this to show we wont take this lying down.
Im all for the march in Leeds but that can be rearanged this is way more important.
Everyone knows the Unwashed arsehole facists wont counter this,theyre only interested in protesting against what they see as white racism,we have to.
If we can get this highly publicised we could get thousands out for this.
But at the end of the day its not up to me but if it was Id say this is the most important possible demonstration yet.
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Patience and discipline my friend.

Hard when your blood is boiling mate. :$
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We should just stick with Leeds, if we show up in London at the same time as them it will just kick off and we will look bad. We should organise one in London in the weeks after as a response to it. No doubt the UAF will turn up at that, i wonder if they will turn up at Choudharys march aswell.
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If we go there will be massive violent confrontation without a shadow of doubt. That will undo everything we've achieved so far and I think Choudary's calculation is that's exactly what we'll give him.

He wants to radicalise moderates and he knows that the sight of 1000+ angry Englishmen wading through his mob wil do just that.

Don't let them derail our agenda and plans, as soon as they do they take the initiative away from us because we are reacting to them.

Our fight is not with Muslims on the streets it is for the hearts and minds of the British nation. Once they see these clowns in London you watch the trickle to the EDL turn into a flood.

Patience and discipline my friend.
I am in complete agreement.
However we still need to be there (just a few and not as EDL) to video it.
Interview opportunities will happen at each of the 3 stops.

This is an opportunity to stop passers by and say "wtf is this why is this allowed and raise support for the EDL without saying "hey were EDL".

We can plant the seeds without directly confronting them, even better if we got the general public to start booing them.

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Patience and discipline my friend.

Hard when your blood is boiling mate. :$
Don't get me wrong mate there are a thousand bad thoughts running through my head but a soldier makes decisions based on cold hard calculation not with his heart. Make no mistake we are now the equivalent of the thin red line of old.

As soon as emotion takes over decision making then we've lost, far better for the EDL to speak softly and carry a big stick than go in all guns blazing.

That said, if the gaffers decide it's London not Leeds then I'll be there with the rest of you come what may.

At least the truth is out in the open now.

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DB,

Your post above, absolutely right fella.
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Why are people saying 'leave them to it' this is what the EDL are against, even if it was to kick off im sure the public will see what they were marching for and what we were marching against.

They were left to do their islamic roadshows without opposition and it was a success in their eyes, and because there was no counter-demo etc the media didn't bother to report on the fact that choudary and his gang were trying to convert everyday shoppers.
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Im not sure about turning up on mass looking for confutation . But think we should have something there like they did at the free palestine march . maybe a few southern based guys and the northern lot can have Leeds . Think when this march is on London our boys should have leaflets made up to give to the people of our capital city what the E.D.L are about .use it for maximum advantage
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UAF will not counter against them they have just said that on the radio 5 interview i have just listened to. Islam4UK are planning a sharia law march on the 31st october. This is what we are all against we should turn up there not to kick off. just to show us english men ( and women ) are against what they are doing. im sure there will be high treason going on.
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http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/46-uk/352--procession-march-for-shariah

I cannot belive whats happening
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Would the Idiots be allowed to march . I think Chaudary is trying to hatch a cunning plan maybe if there not allowed to march .He will say our protest in Leeds should not be allowed .
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Why are people saying 'leave them to it' this is what the EDL are against, even if it was to kick off im sure the public will see what they were marching for and what we were marching against.

They were left to do their islamic roadshows without opposition and it was a success in their eyes, and because there was no counter-demo etc the media didn't bother to report on the fact that choudary and his gang were trying to convert everyday shoppers.
Because the battle is not about whether or not Islam4UK think they've achieved something.
The battle is not about whether or not the UAF think they won something.
The battle is not about venting our rage and anger.

The battle is about waking up Britain to what is going on, it is about getting the vast majority of normal people behind us, supporting us.

If we go in and confront these people we will lose the moral highground and that won't work well for us. We need to be a body that the general public can respect and rally behind, like the soldiers coming back from theatre are. The general public are not going to rally behind thugs and hooligans which is what they wrongly believe that we are.

Therefore we need to prove that we are not the type the UAF claim we are first. Then the public will take more interest in us. Then when we have support we can voice it more strongly.

Islam4 UK make no bones about their aims, none at all. They don't hide their desires. Why not let them do something bold that will get media headlines and will get them noticed by the general public?
The general public aren't going to like their march one little bit and will be looking for bodies to represent them.

Perhaps we should leaflet the area during the march to raise awareness.

At the end of the day what are your objectives for the EDL and what do you think is the best way to achieve them?
I want increased public support, I want it to be a no-brainer to support us, then we can have a significant effect on government policy to put this Islamic genie back in its bottle.
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No one will say there not allowed to as it would be racist
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Oct 12 2009, 04:02 PM
UAF will not counter against them they have just said that on the radio 5 interview i have just listened to. Islam4UK are planning a sharia law march on the 31st october. This is what we are all against we should turn up there not to kick off. just to show us english men ( and women ) are against what they are doing. im sure there will be high treason going on.
Did UAF say WHY they won't demo against Islam 4 Uk?
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yes they dont do protests??? thats what she said when tommy ( edl) asked her why they dont demo against extreme muslims
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their calling for what.? A complete change in ruling system to an islamic one. this has got to be a piss take! right?.
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yes they dont do protests??? thats what she said when tommy ( edl) asked her why they dont demo against extreme muslims
have you got a link mate
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yes just put it on mate.
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Julie Keller Oldham not sure if she was the one shouting during the 2 min silence
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It might be a hoax to set us up.If we put Leeds on hold and divert people to London to demonstrate against a march that never takes place we are going to look like right prats.I doubt if the Met will even allow a march to go along that route.I might be wrong but I think its illegal to march within the vicinity of Downing St,part of the new anti terror laws,and as for demonstrating outside of Buckingham Palace,well I doubt if that rag bag army is going to be allowed anywhere near Buckingham Palace as they are a security risk.

Its just chest beating and I doubt if anything will come of it.
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Just left him a comment on the matter but i`m sure it will not get aired.the man is a complete nut job.last time i saw a football ground under sharia law was in afghanistan when the then team coach abu taliban was murdering people for breaking one of there s**tty laws.
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Jesus f**king Christ...why the hell is this nutjob allowed to roam free?

The day Arjem Choudary pops his clogs should be a national holiday.
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Jesus f**king Christ...why the hell is this nutjob allowed to roam free?

The day Arjem Choudary pops his clogs should be a national holiday.
i will drink to that adder.
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this is all balls mate anjem chowder head is just trying to divert the edl from leeds if you split and go to london they will say how pathetic only x amount turned up in leeds
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this is all balls mate anjem chowder head is just trying to divert the edl from leeds if you split and go to london they will say how pathetic only x amount turned up in leeds
Your right mate, along with other posters on this topic ignore the post I wrote earlier,Id just got in from wrk n watched that video,Fitna then come on here n saw this sh1t bout a sharia march,had time to think since that posting.
Guilty of not engaging brain before using keyboard,lol.
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yes they dont do protests??? thats what she said when tommy ( edl) asked her why they dont demo against extreme muslims
But their website calls people to counter demo us?
Either they don't know what they are doing or they are bare faced liars.... or both...
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this is all balls mate anjem chowder head is just trying to divert the edl from leeds if you split and go to london they will say how pathetic only x amount turned up in leeds <br />
Your right mate, along with other posters on this topic ignore the post I wrote earlier,Id just got in from wrk n watched that video,Fitna then come on here n saw this sh1t bout a sharia march,had time to think since that posting.<br />Guilty of not engaging brain before using keyboard,lol.
we are all guilty of that at times mate
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There have been Islamic demo's outside Downing Street before (although static demo's) About 3 years ago Muslims demonstrated in favour of Sharia Law. About 400 of them fenced off on the pavement opposite Downing Street - the NF were in the pen next to them counter demonstrating. Got to say im glad they did that day as no one else had bothered.
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