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| Should we protest outside parliament in support of our troops?; 5 soliders killed by afgan police | |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 09:52 AM Post #1 |
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On Leekin's request, I have added a poll to the topic. - AOE. anybody seen the news this morning? 5 of our soldiers have died this morning by afgan police,the men we trained.its been said that the polie turned on them when we was un armed in a check point.i ask you all do you feel that our brave soldiers over there should come home and diffend our land closer to home, im an ex serving soldier who served over in helmand and send a message to you that we will never forget wot your doing for us. so should we diffend back at home?
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 10:05 AM Post #2 |
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Bringing the soldiers back from Afghanistan would be a disastrous thing to do, and especially since the moment our soldiers left; Al Qaeda would be claiming victory and re-consolidating their power back in the region. |
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"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." Friedrich Nietzsche "All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings." - Denis Diderot. "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin | |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 10:10 AM Post #3 |
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i respect wot your saying and im with youon wot your saying my friend but our brave men and women are dropping like flies because the lack of support from our goverment.we are not just figthing the scum, we are also fighting with no support. |
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| Englishmidlandspride | Nov 4 2009, 10:15 AM Post #4 |
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Get our troops back then nuke the s**t hole there never will be peace there!! |
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I've been dreaming of a time when To be English is not to be baneful, To be standing by the flag, not feeling shameful Racist or partial | |
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| Paul81272 | Nov 4 2009, 10:21 AM Post #5 |
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If we leave in Ten years when everything looks ok, the Taliban will move straight back in behind us. No matter how you stack it, the Afghan people are extremely poorly educated and their entire lives revolve around the tribes they are in, the same problem we have in Africa and all other poor nations. They are driven by survival instincts which basically mean they do whatever they are told by “The Man” with the gun. We are trying to help a people who do not wish to help themselves, sad but true. Even if our forces train the Afghan army, police force, and enable democracy, how long do you think it will last before the Islamic extremists funded by Saudi (US dollars) money will be back with their AK47’s restoring chaos. |
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Islam is not a religion it’s a f**king cult, I am still waiting for David Koresh to appear!! This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of the EDL. The EDL is ONLY opposed to Islamic Extremism | |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 10:33 AM Post #6 |
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So in effect you agree with me Paul lol, you posted exactly what I said. The government secretly does support our troops in being there (since they would bring them back if they didn't), just not supported in the sense of doing their job properly. On this topic, I think British politicians should take a good look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10PDdV2r0EM Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 4 2009, 10:34 AM.
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 10:40 AM Post #7 |
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videowas so true and spot on. thanksfor posting it.
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 10:55 AM Post #8 |
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This is a bad day for the army, bet the blokes on the ground are gutted as well as f**king raging
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| Paul81272 | Nov 4 2009, 10:57 AM Post #9 |
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I don’t think we are completely in agreement, would pull our troops now to save British lives because whether we leave now or in ten years the outcome will be the same, Taliban rule. You could stay there one hundred years and it would make no difference. Pull our troops out, napalm the poppy fields (continuously, good practice for our air force) restrict movement in and out of the country and let them get on with it. |
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Islam is not a religion it’s a f**king cult, I am still waiting for David Koresh to appear!! This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of the EDL. The EDL is ONLY opposed to Islamic Extremism | |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 11:00 AM Post #10 |
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Slimey bastard ANP. Makes a change from extortion and child rape I suppose. RIP lads, I hope your Oppos find the c**t that did it. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 11:00 AM Post #11 |
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Tell that to Christopher Hitchens. The dreams of Al Qaeda dominating Iraq have been quashed since the coalition forces invaded. We are giving them a chance at freedom and there's also the chance we might gain an ally in the middle-east if things pan out. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 11:05 AM Post #12 |
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The difference is Iraq was a cohesive, developed and highly educated society before the invasion, so getting back to something altogether more civilised was always going to happen eventually. Afghan is a 7th Century, brutal and backward s**thole - the total opposite of Iraq. |
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| lancashirelad | Nov 4 2009, 11:12 AM Post #13 |
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Bring the troops home, leave the Afghan medieval f**ks to rot, besides the way things are going in Britain the troops will be needed here sooner or later. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 11:15 AM Post #14 |
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Not true Really, Iraq was financially, militarily, infrastructurally, and socially going straight down the gurgler. Had the coalition forces not invaded, Al Qaeda, Iran, or a pan-Arab country like Saudi Arabia would have put pressure on the region, increased terrorist activities, or perhaps engaged in an invasion of Iraq. Then we would be sitting back saying "Why didn't we stop this situation" much like what happened with Rwanda. |
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| BlackBrit | Nov 4 2009, 11:21 AM Post #15 |
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RIP to those brave soldiers, the Taliban fight like cowards, their suicide bombers are cowards, the militants who plant explosives to maim & kill anybody that comes across it are cowards. British soldiers are men of honour, men trained to fight with discipline and courage the best trained soldiers in the world, the taliban are no match to these brave men. And if we capture any British born mitiants muslims fighting alongside them we should shoot them on the spot. |
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http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBlackBriton "IT ISN'T ISLAMOPHOBIA WHEN THEY REALLY ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU" | |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 11:35 AM Post #16 |
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God sake. This war is un-winable, just take our bloody troops out now, start by slowly withdrawing them or just take the whole lot out, i dont care. The taliban are bloody good fighters, crafty bastards, they know how to fight till death and I don't think we'll ever kill all of them. |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 11:37 AM Post #17 |
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BLAKBRIT, well said my friend well bloody said.
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 11:41 AM Post #18 |
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On Leekin's request, I have added a poll to the thread. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 11:42 AM Post #19 |
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It is true AOE. To deny that Iraq was a modern county prior to GW2 is utter fantasy. Yes they were badly affected by sanctions but my point was to contrast the fundamental differences between the two societies. I've been to both of these fly blown sandpits by the way. Have you? |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 11:43 AM Post #20 |
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anyone can strap c4 to them and blow them selfs up,i see wot you mean but they cant fight buddy. they just belive wot they do is right where our troops fight by orders not by belife. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 11:49 AM Post #21 |
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Really: No I haven't been to Iraq or Afghanistan, why do you ask? Are you aware of Saddam's regime? People were being kidnapped, tortured, denied human rights, he gassed the Kurds for disobeying his evil regime, and this is before we even get to the Iran-Iraq war, or it's other wars of aggression against it's neighbours. Iraq was anything but modern. It was a hell-hole and a repressive, violent, pan-Arab fascist state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBj40CLQ4w |
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| charlie | Nov 4 2009, 11:51 AM Post #22 |
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The situation in afghanistan is a difficult one .But I feel if we pull the troops out now we will be dishonoring to the guys that have died there with out doing our objective why we want in there the first place to show countrys they cant openly support terrorist that train in there country to fly planes into buildings or pack explosives on buses or trains. They have a difficult job to do but a job they must do for the safety of our country now and in the future. We can not give these people the victory that's how they will see it . Its like saying after we went wrong on the normandy beaches in the 2nd world war we should of given up . Edited by charlie, Nov 4 2009, 11:52 AM.
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| The Swine | Nov 4 2009, 11:53 AM Post #23 |
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They ought to be given a clear message,either behave themselves or face a nuclear holocaust. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 11:53 AM Post #24 |
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Roger out AOE, obviously you know everything and the fact that my working life has been directed at these two countries for a number of years counts for nothing. Please continue sharing your wisdom with everyone else and I will not disturb you further. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 11:57 AM Post #25 |
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Really: Why is it after calling my view on this matter 'utter fantasy', you decide to condescend me like this and make the straw man argument that I said your work there counts for nothing? That's just incredibly odd. I even posted a link to a debate on this matter where the guy on the right (a known political commentator) has visited the place himself repeatedly and seen some of these things himself. Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 4 2009, 11:59 AM.
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"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." Friedrich Nietzsche "All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings." - Denis Diderot. "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin | |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 12:14 PM Post #26 |
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If we do do something outside of parliment (don't thing you can protest in parliment square anymore) i think it will be better to have a protest in support of the troops (as the title of this thread suggests) and against the goverments lack of support in funding etc. Having a 'bring'em back' protest will put us in the same league as 'stop the war coalition' and the rest of their ilk, plus the soldiers hate the 'bring'em back' & 'not in our name' brigades. |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 12:20 PM Post #27 |
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its not to bring them back mate,its to voice ther lack of support over there from the goverment. |
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| plm66 | Nov 4 2009, 12:25 PM Post #28 |
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afghanistan is our new northern ireland. they can talk to you one minute then take you out the next.They dont have a uniform to be identified with.You just dont know who you are up against.This will go on for many years yet.Would help if our politicians backed us up properly,spineless lot.Easy to order someone else to do the fighting while they hide behind each other. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 12:25 PM Post #29 |
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No, it is your default reaction that you are right and therefore a different perspective is wrong that was getting on my tits. My reference to working there was purely to illustrate that maybe, sometimes, other people may know what they are talking about. I did bite and shouldn't have bothered Rob, I wouldn't support a 'bring them back' protest but I'd be all in for a 'stop lying and fannying around now and give these men everything they need' protest. Announced yesterday that the banks are getting a further bailout including guarantees in the region of 40 BILLION pounds. The military get squat. If a protest like this was properly organised and publicised the support from the general public would be massive. It is relevant to the EDL's aims because the politicians say the lads are fighting them in Afghan to keep them off British streets, therefore failure over there increases the problem the EDL are trying to address in the UK. I think Leekin is onto something here. |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 12:28 PM Post #30 |
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there seems to be a miss understnding the vote is only for a protest to voice more support for the troops not bring them home |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 12:32 PM Post #31 |
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We would get very good numbers if such a protest was ever to materialise. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 12:33 PM Post #32 |
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This is a gross over-generalisation, I've posted on many topics agreeing with people, sometimes I disagree, sometimes I have discussion and come to an ammicable compromise. Why the personal attacks? Just discuss the topic or bloody don't, no need to attack people who disagree with your own view. |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 12:35 PM Post #33 |
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how or who would we talk to,to get this protest moving?please help |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 12:50 PM Post #34 |
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Not sure how the people at the top go about it all mate, could try PMing one of the admins on here like EDL. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 12:52 PM Post #35 |
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I've voted yes, This governments behavour to the solders fighting on our behalf is the behavour of cowards, fat, lazy,greedy cowards, who sit in parliament and condem brave men to death. So we should demonstrate to demand that this government equip our solders with good equipment and stop keep looking to save money by cutting the defense budget at every chance they get. Also give our exservice men and women a fair crack of the whip with good pensions, like the MPs have paid themselves. arthur |
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| Englishmidlandspride | Nov 4 2009, 01:06 PM Post #36 |
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It's time for action not talking. |
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I've been dreaming of a time when To be English is not to be baneful, To be standing by the flag, not feeling shameful Racist or partial | |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 01:09 PM Post #37 |
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First step would be asking the Met Police I think because they have to approve all protests in the vicinity of Parliament. No permission = illegal demonstration. We'd also need a decent run in time in order to give us chance to publicise it and spread the word around the country. This really needs to happen, preferably before Christmas. |
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| Englishmidlandspride | Nov 4 2009, 01:13 PM Post #38 |
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This needs to happen our troops need our help let's not turn our back's on them like we have done in the past!! |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 01:14 PM Post #39 |
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saturday before christmas? remember the fallen, carols and festive protest.kill 2 birds with 1 stone,support our troops with a christmas protest( not winter festive crap) always christmas |
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| plm66 | Nov 4 2009, 01:23 PM Post #40 |
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a protest would be good if can be organised. The troops do there job with honour and courage at least we can do is do our bit.The politicians might realise that they should do there bit by giving the forces the funding they need to do the job that the politicains ask them to do. |
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 01:27 PM Post #41 |
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i need peoples help with this,iv pmthe people i need to and maybe you all can do the same,not braking away from edl just think i could be great for the media picture and recruting more members |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 01:34 PM Post #42 |
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Spot on, it will do the morale of the lads in theatre the world of good to see thousands of Brit's out in front of Parliament showing support and solidarity. One of the best ideas on this forum yet, not bad for a Para
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 01:47 PM Post #43 |
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lol,ex green jacket then? ill try and speak to who i need to about this but i need support.put the word around everyone. cheers
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 01:50 PM Post #44 |
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Sounds like a plan. There is also an edit button for correcting posts leekin, so rather than double posting just edit the original one to correct the... many fucking typos and spelling mistakes lol. I'll delete the second post. Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 4 2009, 01:51 PM.
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| leekin | Nov 4 2009, 01:53 PM Post #45 |
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my computer skill are very poor and computer is playing up, other than being thick lol. |
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| ignominius | Nov 4 2009, 02:08 PM Post #46 |
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An excellent idea, I'm up for it. time we showed the Government and our lads out in Afghanistan that wer are behind the army! Could we not also organise something along the lines of chrismas parcels and send stuff out to them to make Christmas a bit more bearable? Just another thought. |
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| hops | Nov 4 2009, 02:34 PM Post #47 |
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bring the lads home.my son joining up after xmas don`t relish the fact he will prpberly get sent to this s**thole.
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| internet | Nov 4 2009, 03:44 PM Post #48 |
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I take my large hat off to those who wana defend England with their lives, but that isn't the case in Iraq and Afghanistan. What our brave soldiers are doing is fighting for monetry gain. What they should be doing is patrolling our borders stopping illegals coming here and defending English people on our streets because the far left don't want to. I don't know what a protest outside 10 downing street will achieve, GB wont act on it, Labour didn't act when millions marched against the war. It may raise the EDL's profile, but it may dent it. The blunt truth is that we've got to get a political party into enough Parliamentary power to force the issue of supporting our troops properly. Either that or we down tools, or our brave troops down tools in enough numbers and insist on doing what they should be doing. Our brave soldiers have families at home, they suffer the down side of not being protected by our troops. It seems perfectly logical to me, that our soldiers should now realise that they don't fight for the good of the people, but for a greedy cartel consisting of the monarch, bankers and most elected Parliamentary officials. The English must learn to rule themselves. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 4 2009, 03:58 PM Post #49 |
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I'd be up for it. f**k Afghanistan, we're trying to fight off terrorists who have caused mass conflict to innocent, law abiding citizens in that country and then some afghan cop or "undercover taliban" as Brown puts it if that is really true, shoots 5 of our soldiers. The whole would be a better place without countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan etc and I damn well mean that. Shut up and behave, it aint hard for christs sake. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 4 2009, 04:03 PM Post #50 |
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Having potential allies (outside of just Turkey) in the middle-east would be beneficial to our cause, prevents potential threats to us and also to the Israelis and Indians.
Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 4 2009, 04:03 PM.
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ill try and speak to who i need to about this but i need support.put the word around everyone. cheers

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