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Why I oppose the current EDL tactics
Topic Started: Nov 2 2009, 12:52 PM (2,763 Views)
AgeofEnlightenment
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You are right PDB No matter who the person is, we all lash out and I understand that. We're all indeed entitled to our opinions and I don't mean to discredit the hard work or valiant efforts of any member of this forum to defend the EDL, whether it be through discussion or giving nazi cunts a run for their money.

HMFC, Span, howdin, and DFW I apologise for lashing out at you, and would like to thank you for your efforts in standing up for the EDL at our latest protest if all of you attended. I responded the way I did because many members here make the wrong assumption that because someone is of the left persuasion or that they had similar views like the media about us in the first place doesn't mean he's UAF or some socialist infiltrator. People often come from those differing political views and buy what the media says at face value, and I know you are untrustworthy about people like that but if our cause is just, and someone like this is objective and rational; give them time and they will see us for what we really are as a legitimate group.
Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Nov 4 2009, 08:22 PM.
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You're a top man AoE, takes a good guy to admit he made a mistake (I have to say that I make so many myself lol). Nice one brother.
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Chr91 you not explained to us where you seen the E.D.L doing racist chants or Nazi salutes yet what demo was this please tell us and then we can try and sort it out. If you really want to be taken seriously please dont lie
I have had friends report that from Manchester, and seen videos of the WDL in Swansea that seemed to confirm it. Also can see known fash in some pictures and videos.
Well have heard a report that someone got a dart in his eye from a muslim in Manchester Dose not mean I believe it without prove . Hear say dose not carry much weight if you have not seen it yourself .
Swansea yes they were no doubt they were Nazi saluting . But you have to lunderstand after we burnt the swanker flag the Nazi weren't going to sit down and take it lightly and Manchester was to big for them so they infiltrated a smaller demo swansea to hit back Politics is a dirty game .
The photos anyone can make a photo the way they want it to be .Take a picture of a single person doing a stupid salute and tare everyone with the same brush your not that gullible are you?
Edited by charlie, Nov 4 2009, 08:51 PM.
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Im glad people have kissed and made up here. Im no saint (far from it!) and iv given my fair share of bollockings and taken some too!

The fact is that the EDL are an incredibly varied group, arguments will always happen, different opinions will always be a factor here. Our UNITY is our strength.

I dont care if you have bloody degrees or f**k all. EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion (even if its bollocks!).

At the end of the day if some choudry type gang gave it loads then im sure ALL the lads here would just stand their ground.

I love the EDL :)
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yeah had a bit of a disagreement with one of the mods and when feelings are running high emotions can run away sometimes but looking at the bigger picture we're always gonna have minor spats over certain things and let's face it lads we're on the up agree to disagree is the best policy
and it's nottingham next business as usual. full respect to all the lads and lasses who've seen through all the bulls**t and see you all there and one further wish for me personally although i know its against edl policy would be to meet that prick of the revleft site "pogue" and rip his f**king head off and s**t down his neck cos its pure s**t that comes from kamerad pogues gob.regards howdin.
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Nov 3 2009, 07:53 PM
DFW, are you saying that people within EDL have to always agree with each other and can't openly discuss things or think differently. If so then you are as bad as the SWP.

What I am struggling with is this idea that Islam is one giant monolithic thing. I mean about %19 of the world population are Muslim and they all have different ideas. In Egypt and Turkey they ban women covering up in certain places, and there are huge intellectual debates by Islamic scholars what is or isn’t Islamic. From the responses on this board it’s clear a lot of people just hate all Muslims, and that’s got nothing to do with tackling extremism, just being narrow-minded and hateful.


if that 19 percent is causing so much hate in this world and negativity , should something be done ?

Edited by BRITISH, Nov 4 2009, 11:50 PM.
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Hertfordshire EDL - I'm not UAF so couldn't speak for them. I got banned from Rev Left for suggesting that if EDL were getting rid of the Nazis and Fascists then anti-fascist should help them do so.
It’s true I have gone to University, and I studied politics and history so I find it interesting to discuss things. Sorry if I come across as Patronizing, just debating things is what I enjoy doing. Just as that’s what I enjoy I don’t think it makes me ‘better’ than anyone here on this board. People are good at different things, and I’m good at talking s**t till the cows come home.
I do want you to discuss things amongst yourselves but you don’t need to argue about things. You don’t want to be as dogmatic as the SWP, they have splits over everything. I fully accept some people will think I’m an idiot on here, but it’s nice that even they can respect that I’ve come here and said my piece. Nice also that the mods have tried to ensure that I am allowed to come here and talk to you, I think they were just trying to ensure I wasn’t scared off, which some people might have been.
I’d like to think I was free thinking, and after attending the counter-protest I thought I should come and talk to you. What good would protesting be if I didn’t also try to talk and try and also understand where you are coming from?
I still think some people within EDL blame all Muslims a bit too much, but as you say it’s a mix of people. I also now appreciate that most people within EDL are decent folk and just want to get rid of these Islamic extremists, something I agree with, as all anti-fascists should.
Some people on the left are idiots as well, like Rev Left, and the UAF. I got so angry with UAF for saying the state should ban your protest. The hypocrisy of people who bang on about the right to protest only to go crying to the authorities when someone disagrees winds me up.
I mean let’s ask Why doesn’t the left speak out against all forms of fascism? The Taliban are a crypto-fascist organization and anti-fascist should have taken on Islamic extremism years ago. They avoided it as the Government used the problem as an excuse to crack down on all forms of protest, dissent and our civil liberties whilst not actually really tackling it. I mean they talk about smashing fascist off the street yet they just sit back and allow some blatant extremist spew all kinds of homophobic, anti-freedom hate.
I’m more anarchists leaning so personally I will oppose the Taliban, just as I would oppose the far-right, because they both want to control people and take away freedom. I wouldn’t join EDL though because as explained I’m not nationalistic, so the idea of defending a nation does not appeal to me. That doesn’t mean I’m not in a way patriotic, just that my loyalty is to the people and freedom not to the establishment or the ruling classes that created the English Nation. I’m loyal to the people, not the institution of the English state.
If you have time, read this article, it sums up where I’m coming from more
http://www.iwca.info/?p=101465

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The English state IS the people, that is an undeniable truth. What else could it be?

Regardless of that point, the EDL is against islamic extremism, a cause you agree with. Therefore, you should stand and be counted. It is a one issue movement that has attracted a lot of people from all walks of life. Once the issue is resolved, we can all fall back. Until then, we stand united, and so, sir, should you.
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I agree with what Pdb says about it being a one issue movement I to am not over nationalist but its a cause I agree with so I'm here .You say your against Islamic extremist but not willing to have your voice heard what are you going to do sit back and hope it goes away. The E.D.L gives you that platform to be heard . Our demo are growing because people are saying enough is enough and join us on the streets
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Chri91 we want the muslim extremists of our streets,simples.Are you for us or against us,dont waffle on,just a sentence or two
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Nov 5 2009, 08:11 PM
The English state IS the people, that is an undeniable truth. What else could it be?

Regardless of that point, the EDL is against islamic extremism, a cause you agree with. Therefore, you should stand and be counted. It is a one issue movement that has attracted a lot of people from all walks of life. Once the issue is resolved, we can all fall back. Until then, we stand united, and so, sir, should you.
That echoes my sentiments exactly!
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The English state IS the people, that is an undeniable truth. What else could it be?

Regardless of that point, the EDL is against islamic extremism, a cause you agree with. Therefore, you should stand and be counted. It is a one issue movement that has attracted a lot of people from all walks of life. Once the issue is resolved, we can all fall back. Until then, we stand united, and so, sir, should you.
When you speak about England you mean it’s the same things as the people.

I just don’t think it is, because I think the English state is often against its own people.

As I said one of my ancestors got deported because he was poor, he formed a trade union to try and get enough money for his friends and family. The land owners deported him for it and accused him of being a traitor for being anti the state. They used the courts to maintain their own power over ordinary people like you and I. They control what England means.

For years I think people like us have worked hard only to have our time exploited.

Now if England was like that which the Levellers fought for in the civil war then that’s an England I would defend:

“For really I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live, as the greatest he”

Anyway if you were going to protest against Islamic extremist, I might come along because as someone with anarchic views I’m against extremism, but then you would probably think I was UAF or something and have a go at me.

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Chri 91 at Leeds there was four young student type you would think they was U.A.F with us one of the girls had pink hair one of the lads had piercings all over his face one looked like he just dropped out of bill and ted bogus journey and no one picked on them . Why have you this fear of us . Us football hooligans wont eat you for tea.
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Chri91 we want the muslim extremists of our streets,simples.Are you for us or against us,dont waffle on,just a sentence or two
I'm for that aim, but as I said I think your tactics are flawed. Why would I join you when I think you might not achive that aim I share with you?

If your platform was say 'People against Extermism' or even 'British people against extermims' then I would join it. I'd be with you on the street any day showing Muslim extermism the door, as well as doing other work to tackle extermism, like education and community work etc.

In politics you have to make your platform as open as possible to get as many people on board. At the moment your imagery is putting people like me off. Honestly if you had gone for another platform, you would have had the left on board and you wouldn't be wasting your time trying to tackle UAF and the Extermimsts.

I think the danger is you will reduce it to a England Vs Muslims type of thing which will actually cause more extermism.

To me it's about more then defending England, it's about all people in whatever nation they happened to be born standing up against extermism.

Can you understand my point?
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Chri91 we want the muslim extremists of our streets,simples.Are you for us or against us,dont waffle on,just a sentence or two
nope as he said he's not nationalistic remember we've got to tone down the nationalistic thing is the sight of our flag so offensive to you chris91? the idea of defending a nation does not appeal to you so what exactly would you defend then cos this ain't going away you've agreed with us on our only principle yet won't stand with us but you've attended demoes against us hmm seems a little strange that one oh i get it you've swallowed the whole far right bulls**t hook line and sinker haven't you chris 91? well never mind you carry on living in cloud cuckoo land and we'll carry on in the real world. a man with no love for his country has no love for himself.
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Anyway if you were going to protest against Islamic extremist, I might come along because as someone with anarchic views I’m against extremism, but then you would probably think I was UAF or something and have a go at me.

Not in the slightest. If you stand with us, then you become a part of the whole. One voice against islamic extremism.

I'm not so hot on politics of anarchy, but I very much believe in your right to hold whatever opinion you choose.

If you genuinely feel threatened, you can get in touch with me via the PM system and I will meet up with you and you can come in to the demo with our group, I will personally guarantee your safety.

I do believe folk from all sides of the political spectrum have a right to be heard with regard to this issue. The only people I would take issue with, are those that use EDL as a platform to further other political ends. Be they right or left, I would eject them from the demo. It is EDL against islamic extremism and that is all.
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Chri91 we want the muslim extremists of our streets,simples.Are you for us or against us,dont waffle on,just a sentence or two
nope as he said he's not nationalistic remember we've got to tone down the nationalistic thing is the sight of our flag so offensive to you chris91? the idea of defending a nation does not appeal to you so what exactly would you defend then cos this ain't going away you've agreed with us on our only principle yet won't stand with us but you've attended demoes against us hmm seems a little strange that one oh i get it you've swallowed the whole far right bulls**t hook line and sinker haven't you chris 91? well never mind you carry on living in cloud cuckoo land and we'll carry on in the real world. a man with no love for his country has no love for himself.
Yes I admit I did think you were all far-right. I would have gone to fight the facists in the Spanish civil war, and i'd fight for freedom.
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TBH cri91 i would/could never trust you because of your views on communism,the best way to sum up the communist ideal is= communists have f**k all and want everyone else to have f**k all.they disguise it by saying get rid of the rich and everyone will have enough,communism has had its day,it didnt work and killed millions in the process,when i say kill many were murederd,mainly because said communists were so paranoid.
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Id buy him a pint, coz if he talks as much as he types you would need something to shut him up Lol..I dont think anyone would give a rats. as long as you dont start hitler saluting i reckon you would be ok.


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TBH cri91 i would/could never trust you because of your views on communism,the best way to sum up the communist ideal is= communists have f**k all and want everyone else to have f**k all.they disguise it by saying get rid of the rich and everyone will have enough,communism has had its day,it didnt work and killed millions in the process,when i say kill many were murederd,mainly because said communists were so paranoid.
Communism is about central control, i'm an anarchist so I think power should be devolved. Not placed in the hands of someone clamiming to stand for all the workers, but actually in the hands of people like yourselfs.
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i dont want people like chri91 with us to be honest he doesnt look like a guywho`d have ur back or is with us 100 percent for a cause ,
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Chri91 we want the muslim extremists of our streets,simples.Are you for us or against us,dont waffle on,just a sentence or two
I'm for that aim, but as I said I think your tactics are flawed. Why would I join you when I think you might not achive that aim I share with you?

If your platform was say 'People against Extermism' or even 'British people against extermims' then I would join it. I'd be with you on the street any day showing Muslim extermism the door, as well as doing other work to tackle extermism, like education and community work etc.

In politics you have to make your platform as open as possible to get as many people on board. At the moment your imagery is putting people like me off. Honestly if you had gone for another platform, you would have had the left on board and you wouldn't be wasting your time trying to tackle UAF and the Extermimsts.

I think the danger is you will reduce it to a England Vs Muslims type of thing which will actually cause more extermism.

To me it's about more then defending England, it's about all people in whatever nation they happened to be born standing up against extermism.

Can you understand my point?
I've been watching this thread and have opinions but wont jump in just yet as I've an awfully long opinion to post.
I just want to highlight the quoted post regarding england vs muslims this guy has put to us.

Mate, it's the English defence league because it's based in England although everyone is welcome.
There are Welsh, Scottish and Ulster defence leagues, so your point is invalid, as a union they do represent a british against extremist stance.
They are branched simply to hammer home the fact that islamic extremism is in every part of the union, and of course, ease of management.
You don't expect londoners to go to scotland every month and vice versa, surely?.
And another thing, whatever you think, WE WILL SUCCEED.
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TBH cri91 i would/could never trust you because of your views on communism,the best way to sum up the communist ideal is= communists have f**k all and want everyone else to have f**k all.they disguise it by saying get rid of the rich and everyone will have enough,communism has had its day,it didnt work and killed millions in the process,when i say kill many were murederd,mainly because said communists were so paranoid.
Communism is about central control, i'm an anarchist so I think power should be devolved. Not placed in the hands of someone clamiming to stand for all the workers, but actually in the hands of people like yourselfs.
My mistake,i thought you said you liked the idea of communism.
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Even if he was communist, I think he should be allowed his right to protest with us.

I don't think the ability to fight should necessarily be a pre-requisite to attend. Having said that, I don't think young kids should be there either, as there are those that would do them harm simply for being in the EDL group. Yes, they are wrong, yes they misunderstand us, but all that doesn't help a kid with a smashed in face.

All have the right to stand with us on the basic proviso that they leave any other political baggage at home and put on their EDL cap for the day. That's just my personal opinion though.
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Even if he was communist, I think he should be allowed his right to protest with us.

I don't think the ability to fight should necessarily be a pre-requisite to attend. Having said that, I don't think young kids should be there either, as there are those that would do them harm simply for being in the EDL group. Yes, they are wrong, yes they misunderstand us, but all that doesn't help a kid with a smashed in face.

All have the right to stand with us on the basic proviso that they leave any other political baggage at home and put on their EDL cap for the day. That's just my personal opinion though.
Agree with pdb, too many kids getting jumped by extremists and UAF, look at the pics from birmingham.
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As we are not a political based group, it shouldn't matter what chri91 chooses to follow, after all some of us are left-wing socialists, right-wingers, even dare I say it conservatives. If he is , like us against Extremist Islam and Sharia law then he should be welcome to stand with us.

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As we are not a political based group, it shouldn't matter what chri91 chooses to follow, after all some of us are left-wing socialists, right-wingers, even dare I say it conservatives. If he is , like us against Extremist Islam and Sharia law then he should be welcome to stand with us.

I know he'd be welcome, which is why I can so assuredly guarantee his safety. Not cos I am some hard nut and can take all EDL on, but because I know he'll be ok. 100% sure.

These are good people Chris, forget the biased reporting you have thus far seen, salt of the earth right here.
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Even if he was communist, I think he should be allowed his right to protest with us.

I don't think the ability to fight should necessarily be a pre-requisite to attend. Having said that, I don't think young kids should be there either, as there are those that would do them harm simply for being in the EDL group. Yes, they are wrong, yes they misunderstand us, but all that doesn't help a kid with a smashed in face.

All have the right to stand with us on the basic proviso that they leave any other political baggage at home and put on their EDL cap for the day. That's just my personal opinion though.
I didnt say he should not be,i said i could not trust him,as i would not trust anyone by their own admittance is pro left.It is my choice who i trust and who i do not trust,i am not asking anyone else not to trust or denying him or anyone else the right to do anything,you misunderstand me phd.ps,i Could not agree more about kids attending,at leeeds i saw toddlers there,we are know what the uaf,antifa are like,they will throw missiles inot a crowd that contains women/children.
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As we are not a political based group, it shouldn't matter what chri91 chooses to follow, after all some of us are left-wing socialists, right-wingers, even dare I say it conservatives. If he is , like us against Extremist Islam and Sharia law then he should be welcome to stand with us.

I know he'd be welcome, which is why I can so assuredly guarantee his safety. Not cos I am some hard nut and can take all EDL on, but because I know he'll be ok. 100% sure.

These are good people Chris, forget the biased reporting you have thus far seen, salt of the earth right here.
To be honest, i'd have just as much to worry about from anti-facists if I did attend. Probably quite a few of my friends would disown me too. Far better that I spend my time trying to convince other people on the left, and anarchists, that they need to oppose all forms of extermism including Islamic extermism.

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end of day turn up dont tell anyone who you are , have a wash remove the specks and chinos ,

but if im turnin up for a cause i hope without even lookin at people there there for me and my views not run off if ever ever need be, only reason half the uaf turn up is because police are there if we debated that day with ever uaf member 90 percent wouldnt even f**kin know why they there ,


i actually nowadays got tell you when i drunk when i post !!!! tonights 1
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chris91 would you say you got it wrong about us and that we ain't some far right street army with a hidden agenda?
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next meet should be a mass public debate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just turn up ask anyone for a debate who uaf and let them choose anyone of the members of edl to debate with we got nothing hide , we all got the same views ,
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Chrl91 I think your talking poo poo you not interest in the E.D.L you never attended a protest march if you did where You get second hand information
No anarchist worth his salt would talk to us I recon your a 12 0r 13 yr old boy passing time on his computer.Tell us in your own words what a Islamic extremist is .
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this is one of them posts where id love sharia law of been imposed on us so we as edl can walk round and laugh at every wanker who has there eyes closed and slap em and say I TOLD YOU SO ,
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To be honest, i'd have just as much to worry about from anti-facists if I did attend. Probably quite a few of my friends would disown me too.
You've just lost all respect I have gained for you with this one post. What a total cop out!

"I can't stand up for my beliefs because some of my friends might not like it".

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i stood up for my beliefs on israel and lost a job and 2 muslim friends ! ! ! !

you need realise are they your friends ,
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To be honest, i'd have just as much to worry about from anti-facists if I did attend. Probably quite a few of my friends would disown me too.
You've just lost all respect I have gained for you with this one post. What a total cop out!

"I can't stand up for my beliefs because some of my friends might not like it".

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Fine, but what is the point in pissing off people i'm friends with if I can spend my time instead trying them to be more open minded? Surley that would be a more effective means of achiveing my views then some gesture politics.
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chris 91 i'll repeat my question do you still think we're a far right street army with hidden agendas?
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Nov 5 2009, 10:19 PM
Chrl91 I think your talking poo poo you not interest in the E.D.L you never attended a protest march if you did where You get second hand information
No anarchist worth his salt would talk to us I recon your a 12 0r 13 yr old boy passing time on his computer.Tell us in your own words what a Islamic extremist is .
I agree most people who call themselves anarchist wouldn't talk to you. So what, i'm an indivdual, there is no how to be an anarchist rulebook. That's the point.

An Islamic extremist is an individual who adheres to the crypto-fascist imposition of an authoritarian nation state. They call their state a Caliphate and offer up pseudo-religious justifications for it. Really though it's just about control, particular of women who they feel threaten them. The reason is they are weak willed at heart.
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howdin: No I don't think that anymore, although I think some far right would like to turn you into their street army and pervert your cause.

pdb: I was just pointing out i'm prob more fearfull of anti-facist violence then EDL violence if I attending on your side. The reason I wouldn't attend is not that i'm scared of either, but rather becuase I disagree with the Nationalism as an anarchist.

BRITISH: I won't be walking around under sharia law, i'd rather die fighting that type of authortarian rule. After all i'm an Anarchist, I dislike authortarian rule, that stands to reaon.

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An Islamic extremist is an individual who adheres to the crypto-fascist imposition of an authoritarian nation state. They call their state a Caliphate and offer up pseudo-religious justifications for it

wow I said in your own words mate that seems like text speak to me .Did you understand any of your own words there mate lol .
Edited by charlie, Nov 5 2009, 11:10 PM.
A WAY OUT FOR YOU NAZI SCUM THATS INFILTRATED THE EDL
http://www.stormfront.org/
http://www.uaf.org.uk/
http://www.islam4uk.com/
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Nov 5 2009, 11:07 PM
An Islamic extremist is an individual who adheres to the crypto-fascist imposition of an authoritarian nation state. They call their state a Caliphate and offer up pseudo-religious justifications for it

wow I said in your own words mate that seems like text speak to me .Did you understand any of your own words there mate lol .
Charlie, he said "islamists are bad". He just took a long time to say it ^_^ (just teasing Chris, no offence)
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Chri91 your defo wrong on one point you would be in bigger danger at a SDL/EDL demo cause I'm mental and I'm going to hurt you,not because of your left leaning but because you are boring,I bet your husband got you a laptop just to get peace from your non stop drivel.Get a life chri91 before its to late,join us let the adrenaline flow you never know you might even get a sex life,throw off that shabby cardigan shave off that perm get contacts instead of those uaf nhs specs,kick off those jesus sandals throw away the cords and get some local thug to dress you,fill your lungs and let rip E E EDL,then sort out your red mates.lmfao
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well that's good to hear maybe if a few of your so called mates would take their blinkers off and realise we're singing from the same song sheet and as an anarchist im surprised you swallowed the media lies about us still i'm glad you had the balls to stop by and debate with us and if you can pass the message on that we ain't the big bad wolf and you're right about one thing the far right would love us to do their bidding but that will never happen because my friend we are multi cultural and we fear no foe because islamic extremism isn't gonna disappear and we are the only ones who seem to be standing against them. let's face it what's the greater threat the bnp who will never be elected anyway or an ideology that actively promotes stoning of adultressess, killing of homosexuals etc
if a far right party had that on their agenda they wouldm't dare to show their faces on the street yet choudarys cohorts go unhindered and thats what i can't get my head around. let's face it any political party that stood up against this would garner massive support and the bnp's would totally colapse cos that's the only reason why their support as increased significantly and you my friend and your cohorts are partly to blame cos most people in this country are patriotic- not facists just honest folk who love their country and couln't give a damn about the colour of someones skin but seeing something that stands against extremism being demonised for being something that it's clearly not is beyond reproach. chris you've made a small step but just keep walking cos deep down you know we're right- forget your mates stand up for what you believe in .
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Nov 5 2009, 11:26 PM
Chri91 your defo wrong on one point you would be in bigger danger at a SDL/EDL demo cause I'm mental and I'm going to hurt you,not because of your left leaning but because you are boring,I bet your husband got you a laptop just to get peace from your non stop drivel.Get a life chri91 before its to late,join us let the adrenaline flow you never know you might even get a sex life,throw off that shabby cardigan shave off that perm get contacts instead of those uaf nhs specs,kick off those jesus sandals throw away the cords and get some local thug to dress you,fill your lungs and let rip E E EDL,then sort out your red mates.lmfao
Gooo on son! ;) lol.
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Chris:

I have made efforts to stand up for your views on this thread, and to hear that you wouldn't support the EDL because you might 'lose some friends' also loses my respect immediately.

People come and go, REAL friends stay with you even if you disagree with them by standing up for a group they don't necessarily believe in.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
Friedrich Nietzsche

"All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings." - Denis Diderot.

"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
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I'm mental and I'm going to hurt you,not because of your left leaning but because you are boring
LOL

Nice one mate ^_^

He'll either shite himself or laugh, wonder which it'll be...
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I live in a small town,in an area where everyone knows everyone else,rumors spread like wildfire,i have my own business,a family,if i was exposed for being an edl member my business could suffer and therefore my family but sometimes you must make a stand and f**k the consiquences,this time is now,our future is at stake,our childrens future is at stake,our way of life is at stake,these things are even worth dying for.
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Nov 6 2009, 01:31 PM
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Nov 5 2009, 11:26 PM
I'm mental and I'm going to hurt you,not because of your left leaning but because you are boring
LOL

Nice one mate ^_^

He'll either s**te himself or laugh, wonder which it'll be...
:D hopefully laugh mate
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