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Why I oppose the current EDL tactics
Topic Started: Nov 2 2009, 12:52 PM (2,765 Views)
chri91
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Nov 2 2009, 09:33 PM
Its funny how the left wing scumbags are now wanting to have a good old intelligent debate,now they realise we we have the numbers and wont/cant be bullied by traitors,just because we dont agree with their commie s**t were nazis.Seems like they have lost the will to see us on the streets,ffs they rant about no platform for racists like EDL lol but now want to be nice about it but the prob is I fukin dont and never will,not until they apologise for all the lies and s**t they caused
I'm not speaking on behalf of the 'left' i'm a left leaning indivdual that his own mind and would rather come here and talk rather than make assumptions.
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Nov 2 2009, 09:49 PM
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Nov 2 2009, 09:33 PM
Its funny how the left wing scumbags are now wanting to have a good old intelligent debate,now they realise we we have the numbers and wont/cant be bullied by traitors,just because we dont agree with their commie s**t were nazis.Seems like they have lost the will to see us on the streets,ffs they rant about no platform for racists like EDL lol but now want to be nice about it but the prob is I fukin dont and never will,not until they apologise for all the lies and s**t they caused
I'm not speaking on behalf of the 'left' i'm a left leaning indivdual that his own mind and would rather come here and talk rather than make assumptions.
lol dont you mean your here to educate us poor simple working class thugs,you might not have noticed but the defence leagues are growing at an alarming rate so why do we need you to tell us where its all gone wrong for us,or how we should change things,also you say your left leaning lmfao so your a moderate commie.I'm sick of the left leaning c**ts like you lecturing the world on how it shoud be.Your mob have completely ruled out free speech backed by our left leaning goverment.Support our troops
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I bet you dont live in a muslim dominated area lol
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Nov 2 2009, 10:13 PM
chri91
Nov 2 2009, 09:49 PM
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Nov 2 2009, 09:33 PM
Its funny how the left wing scumbags are now wanting to have a good old intelligent debate,now they realise we we have the numbers and wont/cant be bullied by traitors,just because we dont agree with their commie s**t were nazis.Seems like they have lost the will to see us on the streets,ffs they rant about no platform for racists like EDL lol but now want to be nice about it but the prob is I fukin dont and never will,not until they apologise for all the lies and s**t they caused
I'm not speaking on behalf of the 'left' i'm a left leaning indivdual that his own mind and would rather come here and talk rather than make assumptions.
lol dont you mean your here to educate us poor simple working class thugs,you might not have noticed but the defence leagues are growing at an alarming rate so why do we need you to tell us where its all gone wrong for us,or how we should change things,also you say your left leaning lmfao so your a moderate commie.I'm sick of the left leaning c**ts like you lecturing the world on how it shoud be.Your mob have completely ruled out free speech backed by our left leaning goverment.Support our troops
No Surrender
I bet you dont live in a muslim dominated area lol
Lmao i was just making a post similar to this
Thank fck you saved me the time. basically this guy is a self proclaimed all knowing guru on leftist ideology and a expert on every way we are going wrong..

all i had so far was
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I can understand the sheer frustration that I sense is felt, but how are we really going to make things better by shouting at each other in the street?



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. I've come and had my say anyway about what the best way to tackle extermism is.

but your post sums it up perfect
thanks hmfc for saving me the time ill now go have a fag


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chri91,

How about this.......?

If you can come up with an idea for a social project that benefits ALL members of the community regardless of race,religion or colour, and is acceptable by our members i will try to match you man for man with volunteers from the EDL members. whether its litter picking,painting a youth club,starting a music group, whatever!

If i cant match you in manpower i promise to donate £100 to any UK charity of your choice that benefits the whole of the people of the UK.

If i win the challenge your only forfeit will be making the tea on the day we all work together. The majority of the EDL are good honest lads and lasses and only with time will we be able to self police and exclude troublemakers.

Also please bear in mind that this group was born out of a meeting between various football "firms" which in itself shows a massive degree of unity between former enemies.

Its all about pulling together.

I might be wrong here but my impression is that there are many in the EDL who want to help build a group that campaigns for fair play to all in society,on an equal basis regardless of what name your god goes under or what type of pigment your outer layer is.

Thats my take on the EDL and like i said, if i dont get more volunteers than you i will slap £100 into a charity. I will also make the tea.....lol


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Tea, now I like the sound of that.....mmm. Sorry I'm a big tea drinker.

I like the idea of actually doing something for the community. I'd volunteer
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a simple point ,during the recent protests outside bbc hq,against nick griffen,3 policemen were injured,1 was hospitalised.the press knowing it was uaf/swp protestors who had caused the injuries chose to quietly report it.
imagine if edl members had caused police injury,the headlines ,i can see them now
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what's all this tone down your english nationalism why? cos some people find the flag offensive? well hello i thought that was our countries flag and i don't give a flying f**k who flies it wether they be black white asian whatever. i agree with the posts that say it was the liberal left who got us in this mess in the first place. faiir play to chris91 for growing some balls and not trying act incognito unlike some other plants on these forums.even though i don't agree with some of his points
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A whole page on one reply full of quotes. this is getting stupid. can't anybody reply without having to quote the whole bloody thread.? it's annoying ok. (and just lazy)
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HMFC & The Span, I don't claim to know anything just giving you my opinion. You can take it or leave it, that's free speech. No need to be rude if you disagree with me.

I find the English state offensive as it shipped my ancestors off to Austrialla and chucked them in jail for being poor, and becuase it sends young men off to fight in wars that I think only benifet a tiny minority of rich and powerful people. That's just my view. I don't see being British as being about the flag, but about the folk music, decent beer, rolling hills and freedom. If you like the flag then fine wave it about. When I meant tone it down, I was really refering to all the crusader style. That's not going to win you any favors.

The challenge you set is a good one, I would say maybe something like tackling homeless problems. You get a wide range of people living on the streets from ex-servicemen to asylum seekers, from teenage runaways to old alcoholics. I'm going to lose though, firstly I don't have a load of football mates on tap, and I think sadly many people are quite immidated by your image and would not want to work with you. Though maybe a challange where we both setup a blog and take photos of our day action to see what we can achive would be easier to arrange (don't have to photograph your face obv)?
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Haven't been on here much lately, but this has sort of stirred me.

"tone down your English nationalism" Sorry mate but this is never going to happen. As others have said, the fact that this country has lost it's national pride is the reason we are currently in this mess. We have a government that is demonizing any sence of Pride in our country, our culture and in our history. The Extream Left wing groups would love nothing more than to see Patriotism and Nationalism outlawed and banned in this country.


"young men off to fight in wars that I think only benefit a tiny minority of rich and powerful people." Look son, your wrong. This country like many other first world countries need oil to continue to be a first world country. You may want your communism and open boarders but this will result in this country going further down the pan. Communism doesn't work. Capitalism though not pretty does seem to work.

I'm against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I support the troops fully and I too understand that if we are over there simply for oil then at least it's benefiting the whole country. We need oil to survive, sorry but that's a fact at this moment in time!

I don't agree with you that we are putting people off from working with us. Our counter demo in London was joined by various other groups. We were growing in numbers every protest and more people are supporting our view. I would say 80% of the population share the EDL's core view, that Islamic extremists are running around our streets unopposed. I Also think the same number of the population do not want Sharia law here either.

Other than that you make some okay points. But I do think it has more to do with the Muslim community integrating rather than the British people bending over back wards to accommodate them.
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Incidentally I went over to this Rev Left site to try and start a simliar debate, pointing out what I thought was wrong with EDL, but also the UAF for not opposing Islamic extermism and I got banned straight away and called an 'EDL' troll. At least you have heard me out, which is more than my so called 'own side' did lol.
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Nov 3 2009, 12:54 AM
HMFC & The Span, I don't claim to know anything just giving you my opinion. You can take it or leave it, that's free speech. No need to be rude if you disagree with me.

I find the English state offensive as it shipped my ancestors off to Austrialla and chucked them in jail for being poor, and becuase it sends young men off to fight in wars that I think only benifet a tiny minority of rich and powerful people. That's just my view. I don't see being British as being about the flag, but about the folk music, decent beer, rolling hills and freedom. If you like the flag then fine wave it about. When I meant tone it down, I was really refering to all the crusader style. That's not going to win you any favors.

The challenge you set is a good one, I would say maybe something like tackling homeless problems. You get a wide range of people living on the streets from ex-servicemen to asylum seekers, from teenage runaways to old alcoholics. I'm going to lose though, firstly I don't have a load of football mates on tap, and I think sadly many people are quite immidated by your image and would not want to work with you. Though maybe a challange where we both setup a blog and take photos of our day action to see what we can achive would be easier to arrange (don't have to photograph your face obv)?

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I find the English state offensive as it shipped my ancestors off to Austrialla and chucked them in jail for being poor


I find that quite a ridiculous point to be honest mate. You are talking about how long ago? As far as i know in my lifetime (32 years) nobody has been shipped to Austrailia. Chucking people in jail for being poor? What evidence do you have for this my friend please substantiate.

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You get a wide range of people living on the streets from ex-servicemen to asylum seekers, from teenage runaways to old alcoholics. I'm going to lose though, firstly I don't have a load of football mates on tap, and I think sadly many people are quite immidated by your image and would not want to work with you.


Thats a good idea however im not one for pomp and a condacending ignorant outlook, its a sad reflection of prejudice as far as im concerned.

If people are intimidated by the EDL then its THEIR job to enquire and see the world and its people differently. I know some angry looking long haired/shaved head lads tattooed from top to toe who are as goos as gold mate, dont judge a book by its cover. If people want to wallow in self aggrandizement while looking down on people just because of the way they look then your logic my friend is no better than a nazi's.

Hope that helps you and any other delusion of grandeur you may have.

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Excellent post Irishcomrad. i note a lack of response to your factual content. Why?

Anyway let me address this from chri91:

I personally think the best way of tackling extremism is to have integrated communities, and to work with Muslim people to achieve this. You probably think i’m a woolly liberal though! I have an idea of community actions groups, just ordinary working folk getting together to improve .
their community. Getting young Muslims lads, working alongside our own working class lads to clean up litter, help out old folk with odd jobs, start football teams etc.

If we worked with Muslim people to improve our community with people who have lived in an area for generations would be a good start. I think a lot of these young Muslim lads that turn to extremism feel prosecuted, and if they had felt more part of our culture things wouldn’t be so bad.



Muslims have been in the UK for about 60 years.They began as 80,000 and now number over 2 Million.
During this time they have built over 1600 Mosques and several dozen schools.
According to figures from Ofsted, such schools are growing rapidly. In September 2003, there were 53 Muslim faith schools, in January 2005 there are 118.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4184319.stm

There are now over 1600 mosques. With one in London that holds over 5000. This is the biggest in Europe There are also plans to build 'super mosques' up and down the country. Britain has been targeted as the first country in Europe that will become an Islamic state.

The purpose of all this is that Muslims have no intention of integrating. They have had over half a century to integrate into british life and choose in mass to reject the country and what it has to offer.

An islamic state and sharia law, which is the direction that Britain is heading to will not be created by extremists and fundamentalists but by the moderates whose population, it is estimated, increases 2-4 times every generation. It is well known that at this rate britain will be majority muslim in a few generations.

Once the Muslim population reaches several million they will easily be able to vote in several MP's who you can bet will push for an islamic state to whatever extent they can.

So in response to integrating with muslims. They have refused to do so when their numbers were small. Now they are in the millions i would ask WHY on earth would they want to integrate when they are in an ideal position to simply dominate Britain.




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we should all read irishcomrad post as it is the truth and untill we [the west] accept it as such , we will be unable to deshipere the lies of the goverments and moderates
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I love the slander that's being aimlessly thrown at this individual posting his thoughts by dismissing his views as leftist crap. So I guess this makes us no better than the UAF and SWP for screaming abuse at us and calling us nazi scum? What a fine lot of inquisitors you are HMFC, The Span, and howdin.

I read irishcomrad's post and wondering what the hell it has to do with what the poster of this thread stated. Yes we all know about taqiyya, muslims killing non-muslims with quranic backing, etc... yet what does it actually have to do with the points raised?

Only mention of muslims I see in the original post is about working with some of them for community work (a noble idea), that some muslims feel isolated within society and often turn to extremism (a valid point), and that not all people here think that all muslims are evil (although cheers for some people here proving him wrong on this point).

Acting like a bunch of 2 year olds ranting on about how this is leftist propaganda is not only counter-productive, it's pseudo-intellectual. Yes he said he is leaning towards the left (maybe centre-left?), but to me the responses here are no different to the kinds we got when some members tried getting on to the RevLeft forum.

"Racist, fascist, nazi scum fuck off"

"Leftist, communist, liberal, etc..."

Same shit different smell. Relax idiots, he's only expressing a view. No need to berrate him for it.
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well put irishcomrad. i personally feel that the term fascist is outdated and belongs only to episodes of the young ones. real fascism died out 60 years ago and belonged to a specific era.
as for the original thread to this post the edl would be dead in the water if its tactics were to go down that route.
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Irish Comrades post is part of a speculative essay about Islam. It reads like a chapter from the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, back then in the 30s people were worried about Jews taking over the country, infiltrating Hollywood, the banks and government.

Taking a literalist medieval interpretation of Islam is only what fundamentalist and extremists do. how many people here are Christian? That doesn’t mean literally you believe though shall not suffer a witch to live (Exodus 22:18)? Renaissance witchhunters did and used it as an excuse to do all sorts of things to women. Does that not sound a bit like these people who interpret Islamism literally and use it as a justification to make their women cover up and stone them to death for cheating?
Most modern day Muslims do not want to turn Britain into an Islamic state, quite a few especially the women enjoy the freedom. Yet the majority of these moderate modern Muslims are scared and bullied by a few radical Imams and men who find it convenient to use Islam as an excuse to control and dominate their women folk.

The more you say all Muslims are like the more these few crazy radicals get attention, and the more young moderate Muslims who only want to get a decent job, bring up a family and live peacefully get driven into their arms. If some moderate young Muslim sees scenes like that in Birmingham and then hears a radical preacher telling him all English people hate him and want to attack him, then that makes them vulnerable to radicalization.

Yes by all means protest against extremism, but don’t make it some crusade against all Muslims like some on the far-right want.
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Nov 3 2009, 06:52 AM
well put irishcomrad. i personally feel that the term fascist is outdated and belongs only to episodes of the young ones. real fascism died out 60 years ago and belonged to a specific era.
as for the original thread to this post the edl would be dead in the water if its tactics were to go down that route.
Have a look at this clip of Russian Facist, still think it's died out?

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chri91, thank you for posting your views.

I'm new to this forum, and not an official "member" of the EDL, just an observer.

However, I'm glad you have mentioned the importance of not tarnishing all UK Muslims with the same brush.

I read Irishcomrad's post, and honestly, it's got very little to do with UK Muslims.

Yes there's plenty of violent verses in the Koran, and yes their Prophet engaged a 6 year old, had atleast 12 wives, slayed the (surrendered and beseiged) Men and pubscent boys of the Banu Quarayza tribe, took Women as war booty, was a Merchant Pirate etc etc.

However, what people need to consider is the "bridge" between violent religious verses, and an individuals interpretation or rejection of such verses.

Most UK Muslims probably don't even recognise the events of their Prophet to which I'm referring to, just as most Chrisitians probably don't know the violent and blood-soaked actions of the Christian God depicted in the Bible, or the Torah etc.

Now, from my observations, this is how "it" goes:

1) An Islamic extremist group, or Agent provocateur (like Islam4UK for example) claims to represent the "true" Muslim perspective, and then proceed to spout out extremist crap and hardcore views.

2) The media has a field day, and 100% covers what this group says, and portrays them to represent Muslims in general.

3) Then the extremist group does something Public, like protesting at soldiers or planning a March for Sharia - again this gets over-zealous medai attention and mis-representation.

4) Public outrage follows. People generalize the Muslim community (thanks to the portrayal in the media and extremist groups) and begin to tarnish all Muslims with one brush.

5) Panic, fear, hostility arise. Some Xenophobic or Racist person attacks an innocent Moderate Muslim, these attacks and hostilities then make the victim Moderate Muslim feel alienated in his own country, and segregated.

6) Finally (and what the Extremist groups want) the Moderate Muslim rejects UK values and begins to follow more extreme branches. Why? Because his UK pals appear to have turned on him, he feels demonized and antagonized, and therefore seeks some sort of "refuge" in anti-UK, extremist ideologies, from groups who most-likely consist of other former Moderates who were themselves antagonized and mis-represented by extremist groups and the media.


The important thing to remember, is not to tar all Muslims with the same brush. These extremist groups are so tiny in number, that they represent nothing more than a speck of the total Muslim population. Whether or not that speck grows, depends on whether or not the media stops giving extremist groups so much attention, and how many UK non-muslims rise to the bait and attack innocent Moderate Muslims.

That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that there are genuine Fundamnetal Islamic nutters who need deporting, or the problems the UK faces thanks to unlimited Immigration and the doomed "Multi-Culturalism" policies, along with the dangers of extreme Islam - it's just you have to acknowledge we're being "baited" into hating all Muslims, and we shouldn't rise to it - especially with violence!
Edited by Shinji Ikari, Nov 3 2009, 12:23 PM.
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Violence is the last refuge. You make some good points Sinjari Ikari - but the problem for most of us is irrespective of whether they know the truth about their own religion or not. Why is it that when there is an Islamic outrage there is never any protest from the 'moderate' muslims. Why is that there's never 'not in my name' style outrage at the murder of school children as at Beslan. Yet there is huge demo's over a series of cartoons in which buildings were destroyed and people killed and threats made. Why is it when Muslims (and here I refer the fundemtalist extremist type) commit an outrage, it's always a jewish/american cia/British conspiracy?

Why the denials?
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Why is it that when there is an Islamic outrage there is never any protest from the 'moderate' muslims.

Why is that there's never 'not in my name' style outrage at the murder of school children as at Beslan.
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Sklinja You make some very good and valid points . But you can not put the separation down to the E.D.L there has always been a attitude amongst the muslim community of them and us attitude .Many muslims see the west has the provocateur of all things evil . We are the ifedel and many muslims look down on us. Dont get me wrong there a real nice sincere muslims but they to see us second class compared to there own brothers. Why do you keep mentioning about the white beating up some muslim lads there has never been any violence from the E.D.L towards any muslims maybe one incident at luton but that's in hand now and there been no trouble 5 protest since then started by the E.D.L so dont tare us has muslim beaters if you have no facts to back it up.
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I personally think the best way of tackling extremism is to have integrated communities, and to work with Muslim people to achieve this. You probably think i’m a woolly liberal though! I have an idea of community actions groups, just ordinary working folk getting together to improve their community. Getting young Muslims lads, working alongside our own working class lads to clean up litter, help out old folk with odd jobs, start football teams etc. Build a sense of community that has been lost in this country, due to hatred, misunderstanding , television, consumerism, supermarkets and big business.


biggest crock of s**t from op ive ever heard hahahahahahaha that could bring a tear to my eye , do you want to tell them that there allowed to mix , OH YEAH FORGOT THEY ALLOWED THEY CHOOSE NOT 2 ,


why u oppose current edl tactis the only 1 tactic we got is against extremist`s so you oppose it (UNDER WHAT)

human rights act extremists can do what the f**k they want against people of this country , as you said u been to anti edl etc so did 2 extremist groups you protested with so are you with us or against us on extremism ,
Edited by BRITISH, Nov 3 2009, 02:10 PM.
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Violence is the last refuge. You make some good points Sinjari Ikari - but the problem for most of us is irrespective of whether they know the truth about their own religion or not. Why is it that when there is an Islamic outrage there is never any protest from the 'moderate' muslims. Why is that there's never 'not in my name' style outrage at the murder of school children as at Beslan. Yet there is huge demo's over a series of cartoons in which buildings were destroyed and people killed and threats made. Why is it when Muslims (and here I refer the fundemtalist extremist type) commit an outrage, it's always a jewish/american cia/British conspiracy?

Why the denials?
you got that bang on , its like wow u caught us out on something , i know what it was c.i.a m.i.5 it wasnt us how dare you say such
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The thing about moderate Muslims is that if you live in a very religious community, where the are extremist who will kill you or beat you, then it takes a degree of courage to appear not to support your community and stand out as against your fellow Muslims. Don't forget that there are some very dangerous extremist hidden amongst them.

It will take some time for these people to be able to feel they can speak up. Since EDL started some Muslim groups are coming forward and this will give confidence to others.

People forget that EDL is non political and has two basic aims, to drive out the extremist and to put a stop to the idea of sharia law here.
What happens afterward politically is up to those who are politically minded.

What the OP misses is that whatever EDL are doing is right because we are succeeding, we are attracting members, there is now discussions going on all over England.
So our image is changing, we started off as extreme right wing racist Zionist nazis and now people are beginning to see we are not, which is why the OP decided to come in and talk, so if people like him can be convinced enough to talk to us, well we are succeeding, the media and UAF lies are being seen through.
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Nov 3 2009, 05:41 AM
I love the slander that's being aimlessly thrown at this individual posting his thoughts by dismissing his views as leftist crap. So I guess this makes us no better than the UAF and SWP for screaming abuse at us and calling us nazi scum? What a fine lot of inquisitors you are HMFC, The Span, and howdin.


Firstly. This guy which counter demo was he at?
secondly are you now apologizing for screaiming at me nazi scum?
i personally take offense at some one coming along spouting theorys about how we can help intergrate and be friends.
I Live in a heavily dominated muslim community,On my street i get along fine with almost all of the people here apart from one.

Now ifs it my fault that this guy is a jihadist nutjob?
should i go knock on his door and say "hey want to come litter picking"
No i should not .
The guys an arsehole his mate anjem choudry is also an arsehole. and no amount of litter picking will change this.
Also the whole aspect of me going to ask them to go litter picking puts the onus on me. and starts a spiral of self guilt,

Is it my fault he is totally anti british?
what have i done wrong to make him this way?
what more can i do to make him less of an arsehole?

See theres the point
self loathing and self doubt has now become the norm, this way of thinking has now become an industry, every government department is now on the side of the self doubters .
Well when i decided to go protest against the further implementation of sharia law , And the removal of any sharia law courts already here..
I didnt ask this guy along .reason being he most probably will have a car load pop round and do some nasty s**t to me my family and my property.

The EDL has given a platform for hundreds if not thousands of people like me to say
"no f**k it i am not wrong you are"
I didnt even realize the Uaf were the real fa ists until i had seen their actions

so for some guy to pop along and start advising me that once again it is my fault these nutjobs are the way they are, and to tell me where i am going wrong Is taking the piss..

Many people like to write long well written posts about s**t and how to fix the world,
some of us like to see some action not words. The EDL is that action
and by action i dont mean kicking the crap out of people..

Its early days yet and maybe in the future EDL might be the english designated litterpickers. and there is always room for more community cohesion. and a lot of what the guy says is right.
but its all words all theory and for too long thats the way its been.

as the bible says
dont point out the speck in my eye until you remove the beam from yours


Now back to a o e,s comment
this is a forum with its little set of rules ,yea sure on a forum i might be a crap inquisitor. But what you have to remember is i am not a person with a uni degree. i cant type ream after ream of well thought out long winded posts about the social historical bulls**t that got us here,

But i do kow when someone is pissing on my head and trying to tell me its raining And further more trying to tell me its my fault..

Now as a global moderator go make a section called opposing views and shove this guy in there, He has physically opposed me. Now he is mentally opposing me.. As IM a paid up member of the EDL are you taking the right off me to not have to look or listen to this s**te?
and you cheeky c**t calling me an idiot iIs taking your role too far
Thats the problem with this all talking long winded forum s**te.. It is devisive..all talk and no accountability
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Violence is the last refuge. You make some good points Sinjari Ikari - but the problem for most of us is irrespective of whether they know the truth about their own religion or not. Why is it that when there is an Islamic outrage there is never any protest from the 'moderate' muslims. Why is that there's never 'not in my name' style outrage at the murder of school children as at Beslan. Yet there is huge demo's over a series of cartoons in which buildings were destroyed and people killed and threats made. Why is it when Muslims (and here I refer the fundemtalist extremist type) commit an outrage, it's always a jewish/american cia/British conspiracy?

Why the denials?
Well, generally-speaking, it's because they don't have to.

Let's use Beslan as an example: Chechen Islamic Terrorists - now what have they got to do with moderate British Muslims?

Just like what have you got to do with the Christian militias in Africa who're constantly fighting and further bringing war to areas like Sudan?

Of course, you don't have to associate yourself with them, or any other Christian. Just like the average Catholic doesn't have to associate himself with some Priest who was caught molesting children, just like any Moderate British Muslim doesn't have to associate himself with idiots like Anjem Choudary.

However, I do see your point, that regardless, people from different "groups" of society need to be convinced that "they" (as in, Moderate Muslims) are on the Moderate side and not the Extreme side.
However, there are Muslim groups who do oppose extremists, take the Council for Ex-Muslims, or even British Muslims for Secular Democracy, who recently planned to counter-protest the March4Sharia. Only thing is though, that they never get mentioned.

Take a recent Daily Express article for example, talking about Islam4UK's March4Sharia, story's headline (which will mostly-likely be read and the viewer would've made up his/her own judgement without even needing to read the article): "NOW MUSLIMS DEMAND FULL SHARIA LAW".

Now, most people who run past papers will just give a quick glance at the titles then walk away. Not only that but later on in the article, it says: "Plans for the demonstration have been ­delivered to the Metropolitan Police and could see up to 5,000 extremists marching to demand the controversial system. ".

Did you see that? 5, 000!? This is Al-Muhajiroun we're talking about, they probably number no more than 50 in total, I've only seen Demonstrations from them with numbers between 8 and 20! Not only that, but to my knowledge, no-one turned up for March4Sharia - the whole thing was cancelled anyways!

Although good job on the Express for atleast mentioning one Moderate Muslim viewpoint on it: "A spokesman for the Islamic Society of Britain said: “99.999 per cent of Muslims despise these people. This only serves to fuel racial ­tensions.”

But you get the picture though, a page full of images of Buckimham Palace and Trafalgar Square edited to look more Islamic (images from Islam4UK's website) along with a colossal over-estimation of how many people were said to attent, along with a headline of "NOW MUSLIMS DEMAND FULL SHARIA LAW".

Now, yes it's only the media, but still, this sort of stuff has an affect on people's perception of others. If the Daily Express wanted to get the proper message across, it should've been an article about Moderate Muslim groups opposing Choudary, and a title like "Muslim groups vow to oppose Hate Preacher Choudary" or something alog those lines. You get what I mean, don't you?

Instead, we get "NOW MUSLIMS DEMAND FULL SHARIA" I mean come on, this is a tiny fringe group who just happen to be Muslim!

Anyways, in short my two points in response are:

1) Any law-abiding, decent Religious person should not have to constantly spend their time deliberately dis-associating themselves from Extremists, everybody knows Extremist are....... Extremists! A Moderate Muslim doesn't have to, and neither does a Christian, Jew, Catholic, Pagan etc etc.

2) There are Muslim groups who oppose extremists and stand up for British values, they just recieve no way near as much publicity. Not only that but the Media are far more interested in acting as a broadcast system for Extremist groups than they are for Moderate support groups.
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But you can not put the separation down to the E.D.L


I'm not. I'm merely saying on your forum that no matter what, you shouldn't rise to the bait. This is not the fault of the EDL, it's the fault of individuals who get provoked and attack innocent Moderate Muslims because they're pissed off by an Extremist Muslim Preacher who get's far too much publicity.


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there has always been a attitude amongst the muslim community of them and us attitude .


C'mon, you can't be serious? That's like saying there's always been an attitude amongst Pagans as a "us or them" attitude. You cannot sterotype an entire Religion because of what a few Extremists say. Hell, you can't even do it off what the "legitimate" religious leaders say: for example, you cannot judge all Catholics off what the Pope says.

People are religious, but at the core they are still individuals who have their own interpretation of their said religion.


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Many muslims see the west has the provocateur of all things evil .


Yes, there are some who do. You see the errors in their logic when they tar an entire country, or Hemisphere of the planet under one brush? For the same reasons, we should be the bigger man (so to speak) and not resort to their tactics. Every Muslim extremist groups is just waiting for you to stereotype and antagonize a Moderate British Muslim - so that he'll feel alienated in his own country and join the Extremists. Don't rise to the bait, that's all I'm saying. This isn't about the EDL at all.


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Dont get me wrong there a real nice sincere muslims but they to see us second class compared to there own brothers.


So are you saying even the nice ones treat us as second class? I've met plenty of nice Muslims who're Westernized (some are even Gay!), just because they have a particular faith doesn't mean they're more inclined to view others as inferior. However, I'm curious to know whether or not you see them as inferior to us?


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Why do you keep mentioning about the white beating up some muslim lads there has never been any violence from the E.D.L towards any muslims


This ain't about the EDL or any of it's members. It's about people who rise to the bait and take it out on Muslims. This has nothingto do with the EDL, the fact that I'm on your Forum doesn't mean I'm blaming you.


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so dont tare us has muslim beaters if you have no facts to back it up.


I guess it's a good job I'm not tarring the EDL as Muslim bashers.

However, can you see the illogic if I were? If I were to say:
"there has always been a attitude amongst the EDL community of them and us (Muslim) attitude"

Or:

"Many EDL members see the Muslims as the provocateur of all things evil"

Or even:

"Dont get me wrong there a real nice sincere EDL members but they to see Muslims as second class compared to there own mates."

This is why I'm emphasizing the importance of not to tar people with the same brush. It would be foolish of me to do that to the EDL, just because some UAF guy says so (for example, since the EDL get's a Hell of a lot of stick from the UAF). Just like it would be foolish for any British non-Muslim to do that to all Muslims, just because some Extremist Hate Preachers says so.

Surely you must agree with me here?
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chri91, thank you for posting your views.

I'm new to this forum, and not an official "member" of the EDL, just an observer.

However, I'm glad you have mentioned the importance of not tarnishing all UK Muslims with the same brush.

I read Irishcomrad's post, and honestly, it's got very little to do with UK Muslims.

Yes there's plenty of violent verses in the Koran, and yes their Prophet engaged a 6 year old, had atleast 12 wives, slayed the (surrendered and beseiged) Men and pubscent boys of the Banu Quarayza tribe, took Women as war booty, was a Merchant Pirate etc etc.

However, what people need to consider is the "bridge" between violent religious verses, and an individuals interpretation or rejection of such verses.

Most UK Muslims probably don't even recognise the events of their Prophet to which I'm referring to, just as most Chrisitians probably don't know the violent and blood-soaked actions of the Christian God depicted in the Bible, or the Torah etc.

Now, from my observations, this is how "it" goes:

1) An Islamic extremist group, or Agent provocateur (like Islam4UK for example) claims to represent the "true" Muslim perspective, and then proceed to spout out extremist crap and hardcore views.

2) The media has a field day, and 100% covers what this group says, and portrays them to represent Muslims in general.

3) Then the extremist group does something Public, like protesting at soldiers or planning a March for Sharia - again this gets over-zealous medai attention and mis-representation.

4) Public outrage follows. People generalize the Muslim community (thanks to the portrayal in the media and extremist groups) and begin to tarnish all Muslims with one brush.

5) Panic, fear, hostility arise. Some Xenophobic or Racist person attacks an innocent Moderate Muslim, these attacks and hostilities then make the victim Moderate Muslim feel alienated in his own country, and segregated.

6) Finally (and what the Extremist groups want) the Moderate Muslim rejects UK values and begins to follow more extreme branches. Why? Because his UK pals appear to have turned on him, he feels demonized and antagonized, and therefore seeks some sort of "refuge" in anti-UK, extremist ideologies, from groups who most-likely consist of other former Moderates who were themselves antagonized and mis-represented by extremist groups and the media.


The important thing to remember, is not to tar all Muslims with the same brush. These extremist groups are so tiny in number, that they represent nothing more than a speck of the total Muslim population. Whether or not that speck grows, depends on whether or not the media stops giving extremist groups so much attention, and how many UK non-muslims rise to the bait and attack innocent Moderate Muslims.

That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that there are genuine Fundamnetal Islamic nutters who need deporting, or the problems the UK faces thanks to unlimited Immigration and the doomed "Multi-Culturalism" policies, along with the dangers of extreme Islam - it's just you have to acknowledge we're being "baited" into hating all Muslims, and we shouldn't rise to it - especially with violence!
I like this post!

However it would seem that quite a large percentage of muslims would like to implement shariah law here, this MUST be curtailed at all costs. If muslims don't like our laws and customs then frankly they have no place in our secular society.

And muslims who want to embrace violence should be met with exactly that. I'm not a religious person but "do unto others what they would do to you"

When dealing with islamofascists my stance is extreme but only reciprocal to their cause.
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Shinji Ikari, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I do however have some reservations about your answers. I chose Beslan for a reason. The muslims may not have been British, but they are Muslim and therefore part of the Ummah. They killed in the name of Allah - they were heard to scream Allahu akbar - so we know they killed in the name of Allah and Islam. British Muslims consider themselves to be part of the Ummah first and british nationals last. British Muslims were the people who carried out 7/7 and several British Muslims since have tried to repeat the performance. Yet in all cases no outrage that these guys were doing anything but something Islamic. Why is it that the Ummah find it hard to denounce murder in the name of Allah when they are very quick to denounce murder in the name of any other god.

On the other points you are correct. Media portrayal does affect the perceptions of people. However, polls taken do show that a large group, although probably not yet the majority want sharia law here.

Is that something you would like to see implemented here? If so do you think it really is superior to a just secular law system no matter how flawed?
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However it would seem that quite a large percentage of muslims would like to implement shariah law here, this MUST be curtailed at all costs. If muslims don't like our laws and customs then frankly they have no place in our secular society.

And muslims who want to embrace violence should be met with exactly that. I'm not a religious person but "do unto others what they would do to you"

When dealing with islamofascists my stance is extreme but only reciprocal to their cause.


I'm sure you agree with me that anyone who doesn't abide by our laws must leave our society. Also, anyone who doesn't follow our customs should leave our society. After all, why come to the UK if you don't like the UK way?

The thing is though, my only concern right now is baiting, and I can see it quite clearly, that people are being baited to rise against (what they percieve) as a colossal Muslim uprising. Now this baiting isn't coming f the EDL, it's coming from the Extremists and the Media who broadcast and given over-zealous coverage to these extremists, along with blurring the line between "Extremist" and "Muslim".

Of course, we do have a problem, but I believe the situation is being over-exaggerated by some degree.

Labour has unleashed a devastating mass-Immigration scheme which has over-populated the country, as well as promoting initiatives which seem to penalise the indeginous British population. Not only that, but across Europe and in the UK, Islam is on the rise - but does that mean Militant Islam is on the rise?

Of course, we have plenty of Muslims (and non-Muslims) who hate the country, and don't wish to integrate. All I'm concerned about is that people properly identify who they're against, and not start blaming Moderate Muslims for the words and actions of a few Extremist - otherwise, to be quite honest, those Moderates will cut their "alliance" with you.

However, I can understand the frustration when our own Government appears to be part of the problem, not solution.
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I love the slander that's being aimlessly thrown at this individual posting his thoughts by dismissing his views as leftist crap. So I guess this makes us no better than the UAF and SWP for screaming abuse at us and calling us nazi scum? What a fine lot of inquisitors you are HMFC, The Span, and howdin.

I read irishcomrad's post and wondering what the hell it has to do with what the poster of this thread stated. Yes we all know about taqiyya, muslims killing non-muslims with quranic backing, etc... yet what does it actually have to do with the points raised?

Only mention of muslims I see in the original post is about working with some of them for community work (a noble idea), that some muslims feel isolated within society and often turn to extremism (a valid point), and that not all people here think that all muslims are evil (although cheers for some people here proving him wrong on this point).

Acting like a bunch of 2 year olds ranting on about how this is leftist propaganda is not only counter-productive, it's pseudo-intellectual. Yes he said he is leaning towards the left (maybe centre-left?), but to me the responses here are no different to the kinds we got when some members tried getting on to the RevLeft forum.

"Racist, fascist, nazi scum f**k off"

"Leftist, communist, liberal, etc..."

Same s**t different smell. Relax idiots, he's only expressing a view. No need to berrate him for it.
look mate i know you're a mod an all but i thought these forums was for open honest debate i may have expressed myself a little strongly but it makes my blood boil when someone tells me to tone down my nationality.we've had this crap thrown at us for far too long and as i said before why? now i may not posess the same political nuance as you but what i do have is first hand experience of this country going down the plughole and i hold the lefties accountable for this so if this makes me "a fine inquisitor" then fine. i note from some of your previous posts that you come from australia not that there's anything wrong with that but maybe you're a little out of touch with life in 2009 over here in blighty.
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i really don't have the time at the moment to have a long conversation but just wanted to make it clear that the EDL will soon be coming out with an official statement detailing our stance on muslims and chances are it will be a dissapointment to those who insist that all muslims are evil, there are no moderate muslims, and we cannot hope to work with them.

It will also put the ball firmly in their court to show their loyalty to britain, so no need to worry about that, Span.

Need to get some work done but please keep it civil. An opposing views section may also be added but as our policy is to ban those who are actively working against us this may not be the best. This chap has been left on here because he's trying to offer constructive criticism to help us succeed, which i welcome but of course i agree that some of what he is suggesting would compromise our ideals.

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British Muslims consider themselves to be part of the Ummah first and british nationals last.


The thing is though, I don't think that's entirely true. It would probably be impossible to test anyways. However, in relation to religion, there are people who (regardless of faith) think God 1st, Earth/Humanity 2nd.

I just don't see how we should worry about a Muslim holding his God in higher regard than his country, but not a Christian holding his God in higher regard for his country.

Of course, the UK needs a revamp of Citizenship, along with stronger attitudes to serve the country, but this is true for most British people, not just British Muslims.

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British Muslims were the people who carried out 7/7 and several British Muslims since have tried to repeat the performance.


Yes, some British Muslims did 7/7, and some have tried again. Again, we shouldn't judge the mentality of an entire religious group (which spans multiple sub-divisions) on the actions of a few extremists. No more so than we should judge all Christians off the actions of Bush.



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Yet in all cases no outrage that these guys were doing anything but something Islamic.


Well, from the cases I've seen, there usually is a Muslim group who does oppose the Muslim Extremists. It's just (as you're aware) you have to dig deep in order to find them.


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However, polls taken do show that a large group, although probably not yet the majority want sharia law here.


Well, you have to consider the source(s) of the Polls, along with what each participant percieves as "Sharia Law". Since Sharia is based off interpretation of Islamic texts, there are many differences in how other countries apply/include in it. Not only that, but I'm sure many people simply don't know the hazards of Sharia Law, God knows why they voted for it in these Polls - maybe they feel abandoned by New Labour? Maybe they have a different idea of what Sharia is actually like?

Who knows?

It's just like how not everyone who votes BNP is a Racist: some do it out of protest from the other Governments, others feel abandoned by the current government, and some simply believe all the BS that the BNP constantly tries to portray: about how they're not a Racist party, and that they're defenders of "Britishness" etc.

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Is that something you would like to see implemented here? If so do you think it really is superior to a just secular law system no matter how flawed?


Honestly, you're talking to a Secular Agnostic. I may come across as one, but I'm not a Muslim LOL!

I've argued constantly with Al-Muhajiroun on their site, which you could probably go look at, about their views on Sharia Law, Islam, the Koran and the West etc.

Quite frankly, they don't like me, because I am a sincere critic of Islam. However, not of Muslims, after all - they're people!

To but it short, I think Sharia Law would be a disaster for the UK, if not, in general. However, I see flaws with out current Political system. Regardless, I believe our Politics should be Secular, Democratic, and whole.
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Well, thanks for answering my questions honestly. I hope that you stick around and give us your input. You are very welcome here and I'm sure everyone else will echo that sentiment.

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Tree huggers, don't you just love em. Extremists have no place in our society and I too take great f**king offence to some muppet telling me we should 'talk' to them. I've seen first hand what those animals can do so i don't want to hear some idiot woolly hat from uni with a snotty nose telling me what they think is best for these arsesholes. Like i've said before, the ONLY thing that's good for those animals is a double tap, centre mass. Why do all these amateur philosophers keep banging on about dialogue with these animals? It just bloody winds me up reading some of the stupid comments. Let me tell you something about jihad extremists from a regiment point of view. You kill them, before they have the chance to kill you. End of. You don't lock them up or try and convert them, useless. The WILL kill you given the chance. Now, you can either believe that or not. If you choose to not belive that, you need to go away, grow up and go and stay in a stricked muslim country for a while.
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Shinji thank you for your replies . Has for extremist muslums you say there are only a few chaudry has 50 or so supports . I'm sure you would agree that chaudroy is only the face of extremist we see but there is the face we dont see them that meet in secret that feed young muslims head with the notion they must not except the British way of life that Islam is there life and nothing else . We have no idea what goes on behind close doors. I know i cant surmise the numbers but I put a bet its a lot bigger then chaudary many muslims says hes a mi5 plot because he hangs his dirty washing in the public. The size of the problem is inconceivable it seems nearly every month the security service stop some alleged plot. I really think its just a matter of time be fore another attack hits these shores. Wish I could say in my heart of hearts I dont think it will happen .
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THIS IS WHAT 1 GUY SAID TO ME AT WORK ,,,, and he is like a roy cropper off corrie i know bad example but this is why people turn to the bnp and i say GOOD if they`ll listen ill VOTE ! ! ! !

his words

always the talk of sharia law comin to the uk the more i hear about it the more it winds me up (ITS MAKING ME RACIST) <----- ITS MAKING HIM RACIST .

THE ONLY REASON IT ALWAYS STANDS IN MY MIND , is because this guy would never speak out or have a say !!!!!!!!

i say bring sharia law in , so we can let everyone of these people like russel brand these jobless UAF wankers who walk round oblivious to whats really goin on , taste it 1st hand , THEN AS A PEOPLE OF WHOLE we can stand against it as 1
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Tree huggers, don't you just love em. Extremists have no place in our society and I too take great f**king offence to some muppet telling me we should 'talk' to them. I've seen first hand what those animals can do so i don't want to hear some idiot woolly hat from uni with a snotty nose telling me what they think is best for these arsesholes. Like i've said before, the ONLY thing that's good for those animals is a double tap, centre mass. Why do all these amateur philosophers keep banging on about dialogue with these animals? It just bloody winds me up reading some of the stupid comments. Let me tell you something about jihad extremists from a regiment point of view. You kill them, before they have the chance to kill you. End of. You don't lock them up or try and convert them, useless. The WILL kill you given the chance. Now, you can either believe that or not. If you choose to not belive that, you need to go away, grow up and go and stay in a stricked muslim country for a while.
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Has for extremist muslums you say there are only a few chaudry has 50 or so supports . I'm sure you would agree that chaudroy is only the face of extremist we see but there is the face we dont see them that meet in secret that feed young muslims head with the notion they must not except the British way of life that Islam is there life and nothing else .


Of course. There exists a problem with radicalization of some British Muslims. The issue needs to be addressed, but at the same time, the Moderate Muslims need to stay on your side, not the Extremist's side.

There's so much baiting, and so much hype that the Extremist groups are wanting you to swallow. Why? So you'll get annoyed and go "F**king Muslims! They're all the same, and they all wanna take away my freedom/overrun the country!" etc etc.

Now why do they wanna do that? Cause then Moderate Muslims get attacked by people who tarnish them all under the same brush. Then who d'ya think they're gonna side with?

Now, from some of the responces I've gotten, I'm getting the impression that people here think I'm saying "Hey dude, chillax, take some love pills, and let's give the Extremists a big hug!".

I'm not. I'm saying, don't confuse Moderates with Extremists.

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We have no idea what goes on behind close doors.


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I know i cant surmise the numbers but I put a bet its a lot bigger then chaudary many muslims says hes a mi5 plot because he hangs his dirty washing in the public.


Dunno about Mi5 LOL, but I'm pretty certain he's a deliberate provocateur. Not only that but last I heard he was on Benefits (i.e, paid for by the State). Now considering the ridiculous amount of publicity he gets, wouldn't you have thought the person authorizing his Benefits cheques would realise he is infact capable of working?

"Ah, Mr. Choudary, here to collect your Incapacity Benefit? I saw your protest the other day, very energetic".

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The size of the problem is inconceivable it seems nearly every month the security service stop some alleged plot.


Yup. Just like te Police or Vigilante stops an attempted murder/rape/stealing/kidnapping etc. Our country has enough of it's own problems to sort out. We should tackle Muslim Extremism, but we should also tackle the other threats which we face (which don't neccessarily come from Muslims, or foreigners for that matter), as well.

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I really think its just a matter of time be fore another attack hits these shores. Wish I could say in my heart of hearts I dont think it will happen .


Well...... I hope there isn't another attack just as much as everyone else. I just also hope we non-Muslim Brits don't get lured into the Extremist's traps. Jihad isn't just about violence, Extremists are also using Social Jihad to get us to antagonize Moderate Muslims so they then feel alienated and join the Extremists.

Considering (believe it or not) that I'm on your side here, I want us to not walk into the Extremist's traps.
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No one is denying there many moderate muslims out there. I'm a christian its the tenant of my faith to see everyone make the profession of Jesus in there life. Just the same has a Muslum tenant of faith is to see the sharia law in the whole world . so if the sharia law was to be implemented in this country has a rule of state you want have your moderate muslim then coming against it because it will be against there believe. So in that terms there no moderate muslim just deniers of there faith
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Nov 3 2009, 05:41 AM
I love the slander that's being aimlessly thrown at this individual posting his thoughts by dismissing his views as leftist crap. So I guess this makes us no better than the UAF and SWP for screaming abuse at us and calling us nazi scum? What a fine lot of inquisitors you are HMFC, The Span, and howdin.

I read irishcomrad's post and wondering what the hell it has to do with what the poster of this thread stated. Yes we all know about taqiyya, muslims killing non-muslims with quranic backing, etc... yet what does it actually have to do with the points raised?

Only mention of muslims I see in the original post is about working with some of them for community work (a noble idea), that some muslims feel isolated within society and often turn to extremism (a valid point), and that not all people here think that all muslims are evil (although cheers for some people here proving him wrong on this point).

Acting like a bunch of 2 year olds ranting on about how this is leftist propaganda is not only counter-productive, it's pseudo-intellectual. Yes he said he is leaning towards the left (maybe centre-left?), but to me the responses here are no different to the kinds we got when some members tried getting on to the RevLeft forum.

"Racist, fascist, nazi scum f**k off"

"Leftist, communist, liberal, etc..."

Same s**t different smell. Relax idiots, he's only expressing a view. No need to berrate him for it.
lol who the fuk are you to call us idiots your the idiot for crawling up his arse,infact fuk you,what you gonna do now moderator pull rank ban me
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Nov 3 2009, 05:18 PM
Shinji Ikari
Nov 3 2009, 04:36 PM
quote]LOL who're you referring to here, me or chri91?
Anyone who believes they deserve to breath
If you are in a war situation and they are attacking you then fine kill them, if you are in a domestic situation then you need to prove they are guilty and put them on trial.

If you want EDL to succeed you have to stop people doing racist chanting, Nazi salutes and Islamaphobia, bite the bullet and work with the moderate muslim community. The rally I was as had Muslim people standing up and condeming Islamic extermism, they are brave becuase they are not only getting demonized by the media and some EDL members but also by exteremists within their own communities.



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chri91
Nov 3 2009, 06:19 PM
Hertfordshire EDL
Nov 3 2009, 05:18 PM
Shinji Ikari
Nov 3 2009, 04:36 PM
quote]LOL who're you referring to here, me or chri91?
Anyone who believes they deserve to breath
If you are in a war situation and they are attacking you then fine kill them, if you are in a domestic situation then you need to prove they are guilty and put them on trial.

If you want EDL to succeed you have to stop people doing racist chanting, Nazi salutes and Islamaphobia, bite the bullet and work with the moderate muslim community. The rally I was as had Muslim people standing up and condeming Islamic extermism, they are brave becuase they are not only getting demonized by the media and some EDL members but also by exteremists within their own communities.



And why suddenly have these people gotten so brave? was it because for years people have been writing long winded threads about how we can all get along if only we go litter picking?

or is it because finally some misguided average joes stood up and said f**k this im not a racist im not a nazi your wrong.
oh and what demo were you at ? and were you calling me a nazi scum??

And if you hadnt noticed we are already succeeding.without your litter picking idea
were already dealing with the nazi sympathysers
and people are realizing were not the bnp
and if the left counter demos .. didnt keep saying we were nazis at all the demos.. then we would have an even better chance of succeeding, So go talk to your buddys and tell them to leave us the heck alone,,
Edited by Span, Nov 3 2009, 06:34 PM.


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Chri91,I have a question,how do you feel about communism,im not asking what you think about stalin etc about the communism?????
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@chris you prick there is no racist chanting or nazi salutes you liberal clown,good luck with community building why not start by asking the muslim community to stop the honour killings of the poor femalles that are forced into arranged marriages lol yeh arranged marriages thats really trying to fit in eh wanker,making sure your daughters hubby is a fellow muslim and prob family member,answers on a postcard c**t
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What racist chanting what Nazi salutes . Dont come on here saying you have the answers and yet blatantly say things that aren't true. That smacks of hypocrisy
A WAY OUT FOR YOU NAZI SCUM THATS INFILTRATED THE EDL
http://www.stormfront.org/
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http://www.islam4uk.com/
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