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| Neo Nazi's Thread.; My attemped to get to the bottom of this | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 29 2009, 01:43 AM (800 Views) | |
| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 01:43 AM Post #1 |
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Since the English defence league was formed , as well as other regional defence leagues and the first protest at luton, Supporters made it clear that they were not racist and nor were they nazi's, For example in luton people had plaque cards saying national front go to hell. I would say that 98% of people who have joined us on the streets and on this forum are not Racists, neo nazi's, White nationalists or anything else along those lines or any kind of extremist at all. However sadly as much as we insist and we know we are not nazi's, There are moronic neo nazi who defiantly do come along, They want to try and inflame the situation and message for there own adgenda. This is because neo nazi's have been on the decline in this country for some time, They would not dream of having a protest because they know they would only be able to scrape less than 20 and they know a huge uaf counter demo would be taking place. The opposing "anti fascists" and the media know it would only be a matter of time before a patriotic organisation with some legitamate right wingers would be formed. They realise that the country political spectrum pendulum is swinging away from the left, The left calls us neo nazi's because they do not like the idea that non far left groups are forming in Britain, It is easy to try and stop our support by branding us a neo nazi organisation, They have the pictures and it is easy for them to twist the reality. If the left can bang the drum loud enough and persuade normal people and there hardcore supporters to protest "neo nazi's" that meens that the people who came along to protest against "neo nazis" would probily join in there communist activities. Even though we are not neo nazi's and we hate neo nazi's as much as they do. We really have to sort this problem out with neo nazi's once and for all, I think a good start would be all neo nazi's offenders should be registered and shown they are not wanted. |
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Oct 29 2009, 02:43 AM Post #2 |
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I doubt the neo-nazis remaining will show themselves, instead they are causing division in the forums with various bigotry and inciting people to violence or to make genuine members leave. |
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| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 02:53 AM Post #3 |
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People who are trying to bring a devide for there own gain should be banned, As well as people who have gave the nazi salute at demo's. I think we need better structure so we can tackle these offenders much more effectavily. I think it is important we show we are prepared to tackle this issuse head on. Edited by southwales, Oct 29 2009, 03:03 AM.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| Deleted User | Oct 29 2009, 03:05 AM Post #4 |
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Persuading the moronic nazis to leave our ranks when they show themselves at protests and give nazi salutes is one way of showing the media and those unsure of our anti-nazi staus what we think of them. When I say persuading......I mean a swift kick up the arse in any direction but ours. |
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| nemisis123456 | Oct 29 2009, 03:05 AM Post #5 |
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That my friend is a most EXCELLENT post! Ok so we cant thought police, we cant spot a racist unless he/she makes it evident, i understand this. HOWEVER.... If these idiots want to destroy the EDL (and all evidence suggests they do!) because they cant keep their racist comments and "sieg heil" salutes to themselves, then they need to be dealt with. How can anyone let a very small minority of boneheads ruin all the good work of GENUINE patriots? Nothing patriotic about Hitler as far as im concerned..... |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Oct 29 2009, 03:11 AM Post #6 |
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A fair point South Wales, but unlike most other times when there is always going to be some divisive person on the forum spreading hatred; this time they are in force. I know exactly why they want the EDL to split, because they want the youth and other disenfranchised/frustrated members to have no alternative but to either side with these pseudo-multicultural lobbyists (which includes all the islamic extremists and apologists), or with the BNP, National Front, and other racist organisations. I wont stand for it, and I will crackdown on these bastards like a ton of bricks. |
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"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." Friedrich Nietzsche "All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings." - Denis Diderot. "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin | |
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| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 03:31 AM Post #7 |
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If we prove to our opponet's and the sympathisers of the groups against us for example SWP(UAF) Then I am sure they would get off our back's sooner or later. What makes me angry is that instead of spending all there attension on us and the bnp they could be combating real nazi's like the British peoples party when was the last time UAF had something to say about openly neo nazi's. Edited by southwales, Oct 29 2009, 03:37 AM.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Oct 29 2009, 03:42 AM Post #8 |
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BNP are racist dude, and they very much nazi since the political party was founded by members of the National Front. That and they hold many of those same views, including holocaust denial. I'm not surprised if some group, regardless of who the are, rallied against them. There's no point in proving to the UAF anything, I don't even consider them on par with us; just a group of loud-mouthed kids and extremists with no real intelligence. |
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| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 04:15 AM Post #9 |
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Personally I think that we prove the UAF wrong, There level's of support will decline. I know they are Generally misguided and foolish, and sheeply follow communist's in sheeps clothing. However people like weyman bennett goes to the universities and he will lie on a mass level how racist and nazi we are. Generally that is how they win there support. Often there is a devision in the UAF, You have the inexperienced liberal supports who believe everything they are told, The you have the hardcore anarchist/communist supporters who believe in more militant "antifascism" Generally these loons were once inexperienced and legitimately liberal supporters but to much time around the UAF and SWP will warp your mind and only make you more extreme, So these hardcore nutters join organisations such as class war and antifa, These groups are exactly the same as UAF and SWP but they are more honist about there beliefs. Regarding the BNP, Personally I sympathise with what they say to a certain extent, However I have always believed is this what they really think. I am aware they have had a bad history partically being led by john tyndall his root's speak for themselfs. Would I vote them out of protest? Maybe the current goverment need's to realise people are very unhappy and there are sign's that the are starting to listen,I would never join the party or any other party for that matter because politics is a losers game. The parties I feel that are listening are tory and lib dem however labour will never change. Not that the BNP would ever get to power. Edited by southwales, Oct 29 2009, 04:21 AM.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Oct 29 2009, 04:33 AM Post #10 |
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The connections with the National Front don't stop with Tyndall; he basically founded the BNP in 1982, and Nick Griffin himself was a member of the NF until 1989, when in 1995 he joined the BNP and pretty much became bed-buddies with Tyndall, writing in Spearhead and The Rune publications (owned by Tyndall). Every group he has joined, every publication he has written for has been in racist/right wing groups and publications. Nothing has changed, not a single day in his entire career did he ever renounce the racist remarks he made, or Tyndalls for that matter, and he has never withdrawn his comments about holocaust denial. People who think he's clean and sobered up now on racial issues are blind and gullible, clearly not everyone who votes for the BNP are not necessarily racist; but it just goes to show that people will not do their research properly. Even worse in this case; some people are willing to agree and side with any idiot so long as they oppose islamism. |
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| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 04:40 AM Post #11 |
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I am also aware of Griffins history, But again I think it is a good thing mainstream parties are now showing consideration that people are unhappy and that is why instead of voting Lib lab and con they are voting the BNP or any other party. On question time there was evidence that these mainstream parties are taking the BNP protest vote into consideration. Most people who voted for the BNP including myself dislike nick griffin's history and some of the things he said, Or what he said but I feel that mainstream parties need to shed there politically correct silly policies and tackle islam extremism properly instead of stepping around the issuse. Edited by southwales, Oct 29 2009, 04:42 AM.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Oct 29 2009, 04:48 AM Post #12 |
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lol If you think any party currently is going to solve all these issues, good luck is all I have to say. They serve their own agendas, and the BNP is no different in this regard. I wouldn't vote for a party that I only agree on with illegal immigration or extremism. Regardless of whether you dislike his history isn't going to change anything. Him and his followers don't care what you or I think in the long run, but as for question time I only got to watch the first part. I'll watch the rest now. Sounds though like he is using extremist islam as a red herring away from his genuinely absurd racist views. |
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| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 05:04 AM Post #13 |
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I would like to think that the a goverment, Who that goverment is is another question could tackle these issuses of islam extremism head on. Other wise then we are all f**ked, As it would be illeagal and certainly more bloody if we actaully did anything about it. I meen the whole point of taking it to the street's is to show the goverment we are unhappy about these extreme people living in our "free" land. It Think that a right step in right direction would be the current goverment having a good look at why the BNP is gaining on there expence. They really need to go to the people and listen not tell them what to think which they have been doing. Edited by southwales, Oct 29 2009, 05:05 AM.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 05:09 AM Post #14 |
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Getting back on topic, If you are at a demo and you see any of these symbols then most likely have a neo nazi with you. Taken from the american version of UAF. http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp I understand some symbol's can be put to debate if they are neo nazi's or not. Edited by southwales, Oct 29 2009, 05:11 AM.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| charlie | Oct 29 2009, 05:46 AM Post #15 |
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South wales I do agree about what you said about Neo-Nazi in our mix . But please be careful not to antagonise these nasty vermin looked what happen at swansea these weren't guys that just turned up to do a few salutes for the media but were the heavy mob ready to mix it if need be. How can we deal with the problem is the question we ban of the forum they come back posting under another name unless you can block there I.P address . When they turn up at protest what can we do . We dont want to start having a free for all with them because the press will only twist it a make up some crazy lie . Yes if we can develop a proper structure where we do have trained stewards at protest this will go a long way of minimizing the problem . But lets not pock the hornets nest again because they have a nasty sting. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Oct 29 2009, 06:03 AM Post #16 |
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Well South Wales, we are trying to get this message across to the government; however it's not through votes or siding with a racist group just because they have one or two ideas we like, we are trying to get a larger voice and crowd to speak up. When that happens, the government; regardless of who is in power, cannot ignore it. Melanie Phillips, the author of Londonistan has also stated that the BNP would lose it's support if the current one in power stood more firmly against islamic extremism and prevent illegal immigration. So you can put it to rest and see that we're not alone on this one. Cheers also for the link on white supremacy/neo-nazism/skinhead symbols. Edited by AgeofEnlightenment, Oct 29 2009, 06:05 AM.
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| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 07:20 AM Post #17 |
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http://www.national-front.org.uk/remday.htm The Nation Front are still openly sympathisers of the neo nazi blood and honour, The bigotry and ignorance in the National Front is sickening. They have one poster for there "remeberance" parade, Then a blood and honour" poster for a concert. Which say's "No more brother wars" So in other word's they dont believe that Britain should of stood up to the fascist's and nazi's. They should stay at home filled with guilt instead of remebering. Edited by southwales, Oct 29 2009, 07:20 AM.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Oct 29 2009, 08:34 AM Post #18 |
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Oh and I forgot to mention, there's a BNP containment thread so keep a can on it South Wales. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 29 2009, 03:37 PM Post #19 |
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good post but i wonder how many people voted bnp not as a protest vote but whilst not agreeing with their whites only policy because they seemed to be the only party that stood against islamistslook at the facts in the 2001 genaral election they gained 47,129 votes, in 2005 it had nearly quadrupled to 192,746 and the last eu elections nearly a million votes. so what's happened as the country suddenly become a hot bed for far right parties? i don't think so, i've long held the opinion that there is a political vacuum and it needs filling because the lib/lab/con parties arn't listening. so who do we vote? in my opinion none of the above and certainly not the bnp so until a new political party springs forth that espouses equality on race and creed but will truly stand up the the islamists threat and has a coherent immigration policy that does not involve an open door policy then my vote will be for no-one. amen. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 29 2009, 03:43 PM Post #20 |
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Im not a nazi & never have been but was recently talkin to a couple of lads(From london) at manchester and they said they used to belong to such a group,they said they did this as it gave them a platform to confront radical islam as it seemed the group they were in was one of the few which done this.According to them with the emergance of the EDL they have left said group and pledged support to EDL.Personally i didnt have a problem with this or them,just wondering what others though on this and about them? |
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| southwales | Oct 29 2009, 05:16 PM Post #21 |
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Hey you were the one arguing about the BNP.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| shiva | Oct 29 2009, 05:20 PM Post #22 |
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Those of you who have cameras and vidcams, shots of the offenders and get the up here, in a containment thread "rogues gallery'" or something to that effect. Both Searchlight and antifah have files on known nazis, so with not start going through the oppositions material to try and identity these scum, also it wont hurt to go through such forums pro BNP such Red alert I would also help to try and remember if you had come across any of from earlier days during your shindigs with rival firms, gather what info you can and get into a rogues gallery This would be great for me because, here is one area I can be of positive help, due to the fact that I cannot attend demos, I can get this material out to various forums and blogs that have world coverage. I have done a few articles already, and a short while ago one got to #2 at google alerts Up until it has been a pain in the arse getting the right pix, so it would be a get help if we built a rogues gallery which we could use for counter propaganda There are several tricks which can be used so as to get good coverage, Take the CNN site for instance, at the bottom of each article they have a section called "what the Blogs say". trying to find the right key words it is possible to be at the top, I have managed to do it many times when running my former blog All we need are one or two people who have the time to work on counter propaganda and those who go out on demos try and gather as much info so we can have a good archive on the scum I am prepared to devote quite a bit of time working on this, but for it to work, I would need you to gather the info and pix when you are on the demos. I have been very active over the last six years, so quite a lot of people already know me and I can get to places, where EDL can not, due to the negative image, and at the same time bring in new supporters some of whom carry quite a bit of weight At the moment both the media and the the blogosphere are very negative towards the EDL, and there is not much that can be done to change that, but it is possible to change the attitude of the blogosphere, not a simple task, but possible As long as the people here really stamp down on the neo nazi,s and ease down on labeling every body who have strong views about islamization, bigots, then EDL have a very good chance of succeeding. Example, some-one who calls for the koran evil and to be banned here is labeled a bigot, yet the same people who do the calling would would very much like people like Greet Wilders to endorse or join up, remember Wilders has called for the koran evil and called for it to be banned, one person of Wilders calbre is worth 5000 moderate moslems EDL has a bad image so a very large effort is going to be needed to remove that image, may be more effort than what it takes to organize a demo I have a lot of spare time, and do not mind using it to try and change EDL,s image on the blog sphere Edited by shiva, Oct 29 2009, 05:23 PM.
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I don't think real Nazi's exist. Sure, their may be some idiots who go around telling people that they're Nazi's, usually to piss people off or annoy their parents. But I think if you asked them about Nazism, they would probably talk a load of crap, or look it up on Wikipedia, then tell you part's which they think they agree with. Like Witch Craft; Nazism is soooo' out of date.
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I carnt believe how casual the word Nazi has become in our society today, the vast majority of us can only imagine what it must have been like especially in Eastern Europe under the Nazis or should i say the Einsatzgruppen mobile death squads. In my opinion to casually call someone a Nazi in this day and age is an insult to the poor sods that died under them. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Kiev_Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_(1942).jpg |
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| made in England | Oct 29 2009, 06:23 PM Post #25 |
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I saw a program just the other day on the history channel about the Einsatzgruppen, i dont think the average German soldier or civilian knew this was going on at the time hence when von Stauffenberg served on the Eastern front he witnessed it for the first time and couldnt believe his eyes thats when he stopped being Nazi and plotted to kill Hitler. |
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"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!" Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished Midsomer the last great bastion of Englishness ....Brian True-May Werian se Angelcynn | |
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| southwales | Oct 31 2009, 12:47 AM Post #26 |
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I would like to see protests from ourside against fascist wankers, Anyone else agree? |
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| nemisis123456 | Oct 31 2009, 12:52 AM Post #27 |
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Yep i agree with that! How can UAF and the media call us racists when we counter with video footage of our lot chanting anti racist slogans? Yes i know they will probably do so anyway but they have been made to look like idiots by calling us BNP in times past. Doing this kind of thing will go a long way to achieving the same when the "racist" card is played against us. My thoughts anyway. |
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| LEEDS.E.D.L. | Oct 31 2009, 01:12 AM Post #28 |
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You don't seem to be getting the point, I know people who detest the idea of fascism and nazism, national socialism or whatever its being called. BUT have put up with some of the fantasisers merely because there was no one else there. I think everyone should be given a chance to prove themselves but watched very very closely to see if their leanings are a little too mch to the far right, I think they should be watchedto see if they are inter recruiting, I know Ive done it all my friends but only out of sheer frustration. My father was kidnapped by Hamas and just like David Koresh, Charles Manson or any of their ilk the people that came along at the time of my need got my devotion. Never Nazi and Never anti semitic but vehemently anti islamic radical, having had a female friend shot dead in Leeds, My father kidnapped by Hamas followers and 4 Muslims tried pulling my wife into a van, you might say I got radicalisd, but seeing the state of these groups led to me realising just what the f**k am I doing and ending up more at odds with them than anyone. Give some a chance to prove themselves, one chance after that theyve blown it theres a lot of recruiting out there they just need steering the right way. |
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| LEEDS.E.D.L. | Oct 31 2009, 01:21 AM Post #30 |
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I'd start by standing up front and denouncing any group that is there to demean the EDL and announce that although some of the young are disenchanted and frustrated they now have a new home and a genuine home that won't drop you on your arse if you don't agree with them in every way or if you start to question them. I spoke to a load of people last week and put to them did they want to be involved in groups that spout one thing and preach another and did they want to sit quietly nodding like churchill dogs but really thinking WTF is this my grandfather and fathers fought against this at Cassino, Anzio and Tobruk, but having to hide a thin veil of agreement. Then said there was a new alternative and one they could really feel at home with as pensioners and younger men and lads. The answer was unanimous and a resounding applause not with heils but with God save the Queen and a rouse of applause again. You got the chance of a lot of support among other ranks reverse the role and take them and change them, re education works. Edited by LEEDS.E.D.L., Oct 31 2009, 01:22 AM.
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| LEEDS.E.D.L. | Oct 31 2009, 01:27 AM Post #31 |
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I have the newspapers from when my dad was snatched and believe me if the red army faction gave me a warm welcome at that time I'd have probably gone with them, confused I was a re hash of Michael Ryan just waiting to happen. The police thought at first it was an Irish group due to my fathers past involvement in the army but when they realised who had done it tried to keep it schtum till it made headline news. He'd done stuff for the queen, and many famous people as well as the legion and many regiments the big one was John Major as prime minister all these shat themselves when they heard he'd insulted islam but before this they all laughed and thought the caricature piss take of saddam hussein was great. Pissed off frustrated and like a lot ofothers led down a path that was very crooked. Lets hope this steers many in the straighter lanes. |
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| nemisis123456 | Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM Post #32 |
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Actually i agree with quite a lot of what you have said mate, and im sure people here know im very much against fascism in whatever context it prevails. A mate of mine used to be a neo-nazi, swastikas tattooed over his body, a skinhead (although skinheads themselves prefer them to be called boneheas) who actually used to live in Berlin (when Germany was split East and West), he would cross over the border usually with chewing gum and denim jeans and exchange money as it was cheap for women, beer and well anything really. Anyway i digress. He used to go "Turk bashing" mugging Turks with his mates and steal their gold or any item worth something. He got into gang wars and his brother died because of the trouble he was introduced to. He was no shrinking violet but as time passed by he mellowed, he seen that what he was getting into got out of hand. Now he has a Turkish mate (ironic to say the least) and he has rasta friends too. How time can change a man! Cutting a long story short people can change but there are also those who dont want to or just cant for whatever reasons. Yes its good to try and help people see the error of their ways and help them to realise the absurdity of nazi'ism and the consequences it brings. BUT there are people who try to join the EDL on marches, they know what the EDL stand for, they know the objectives of the EDL, they know about the EDL leadership and their black mates burning the swastika and what do they do? Join the demos and sieg heil in full view of the press and minorities, this s**t can and will destroy the EDL if it isnt handled correctly. Just look at Swansea for one example! |
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| LEEDS.E.D.L. | Oct 31 2009, 01:51 AM Post #33 |
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Anyone, ANYONE that does anything of that Ilk should be taken as I mentioned prior as Agent Provocateurs or those out to destroy the EDL and should be dealt with but not like UAF or other antigroups do. I know for a fact that serious Nazi sympathisers and similar want nothing to do with the EDL too. What you are getting are people who don't really know any better or any different. And can be swayed either way, I'm ready so are many others and Nemesis belive me when I say there are no plans of infiltration, counter intelligence or deciet intended. Some of those out there you might say are just chffed to bits that they have truly at last found a home for real patriotism in the true sense of the word. But any word against Islam will always be met with chants from UAF who need to have the evil bogeyman to support their existence. You're right absolute but I really believe that some of those sieging are very much like the squaddies and coppers who were planted in with the miners too during Scargills day. Put there an possibly paid for a reason the rest just need to be told simply to keep their sympathies if they are that way to themselves or reap what they sow ; ) Edited by LEEDS.E.D.L., Oct 31 2009, 01:55 AM.
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| LEEDS.E.D.L. | Oct 31 2009, 01:55 AM Post #34 |
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Simply put anyone seen sieg heiling or similar should be asked to pack it in and noted for future events. If most times you approach them and ask them what theyre doin half the time the younger lot wouldnt have a clue. I remember at football a few years back in Spain or somewhere people with their arms up singing No Surrender to the IRA WTF was that about no IRA in sight. Just the same as the Right shouldnt be allowed to hijack the EDL neither should the Left. The EDL is an entirely new entity and can't be allowed to just fester or detract from their aims not in this stage especially. As I say and believe me I wouldnt if I didnt believe it, you got some power there keep it and build. |
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| LEEDS.E.D.L. | Oct 31 2009, 02:00 AM Post #35 |
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I Repeat anyone giving it the salute or chating s**te should be treated as the enemy as either plants or lefty provocateurs digging them in public will only play into the hands though of some who are saying the EDL are gangsters or thugs, even locally one or two businessmen are teetering and will be looking on tomorrow. I'm in a position to be able to supply loads of electrical gear for technology funds computers printers etc in the work I do, we get offered stuff en masse all the time and there are others who will donate to the right thing and you'd be surprised where these offers are coming from. KEEP UP THE MOMENTUM LEEDS IS GONNA HIT THE MAP TOMORROW AND ANOTHER NOTCH FO THE EDL ITS 1.00 AND I'M STILL BEING TEXTED. LOL |
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| LEEDS.E.D.L. | Oct 31 2009, 02:06 AM Post #36 |
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Ok people as old Alex would say bed ways is rightways now so best be off and get some spatshska. Biddy well brothers and sisters, biddy well LOL Clocky Orange what a a film! Nighty night. TAKE CARE! |
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| nemisis123456 | Oct 31 2009, 02:06 AM Post #37 |
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Tony mate again i can see where you are coming from and again i can agree with you in the most part but (theres always a but, sorry!) to me patriotism is about respecting our forefathers legacy and their sacrifice to halt an enemy who would have had us "cleansed" so as to establish a "pure" race, this came in the form of Hitlers National Socialism. NAZI'ISM! Racism in its purest form, and not a good thing whatsoever! A patriot is someone who stood against this form of tyranny, not someone who appeased it (think of Arthur Neville Chamberlain). It took a REAL patriot to sort out the mess that was Hitlers agenda of global domination, that person was of course Winston Churchill. I can and do believe that NS/NF/NAZI associates can change, my mate is a living example of that. But we cant switch off and think that appeasing such people is the answer. I just hope to god that these "type" of people dont bring the EDL to its knees. We may well have only ONE chance to rid our shores of this islamist menace, i dont want that to chance to disappear in a cloud of far right UNPATRIOTIC nonsense. |
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| LEEDS.E.D.L. | Oct 31 2009, 02:21 AM Post #38 |
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Well Nemesis let me say if things go well tomorrow there'll be lots of change guaranteed and a lot of things being said and done that will change opinions the EDL will be heldin esteem for the changes they will make towards thoughts, hearts and minds and we can either stand up proud and say we were there or sit in a corner with a can in our hands and pipe up amongst the fantasies from time to time bleating about the old days. I know where I wanna be, the protectors of the faith look after their seed sowers. An attack on the EDL can come in any form and should be countered but of course we are talking to each other I believe as the already knowledgable. Its the masses out there that need to be re-educated and it's so easily done, i've done it for years and gradually it waned. When four fellas tried to pull my missus into a van I went on a rampage and wish the EDL had been there for me. When I saw my dad beaten near to death and smiling at me again I wish the EDL had been there. Its been a hard slog of prison, books documentries and at the end of it it came down to good old handshakes and talking to sort some of my head. As I say though people need educating, a famous scottish poet said, O wid some powr the gift tae gi us to see ourselves as others see us. M8 I hope me and you are gonna have some good discussions in the future. Still early days but the marks being made. BEDWAYS MATEYS! ELSE NO IN OUT, IN OUT LOL SORRY! Edited by LEEDS.E.D.L., Oct 31 2009, 02:22 AM.
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| nemisis123456 | Oct 31 2009, 03:29 AM Post #39 |
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Tony what has happened to you and your family is nothing short of atrocious and abhorrent. That would be enough to send anyone off the rails, im not so sure i would have come out of it like you have so kudos to you mate. I look forward to some more debate with you in the near future. All the best. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 1 2009, 03:25 AM Post #40 |
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lol, well you started the support so I had to argue it. Forgot to mention (at the time) about the containment thread. |
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| southwales | Nov 2 2009, 02:36 AM Post #41 |
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I find it very inspiring when commies and nazi's llegitimize in there opinion, There is no excuse being an extremist.
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 2 2009, 04:09 AM Post #42 |
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That's correct, people use their emotions to judge reality rather than their objective or reason; hence why people turn to extremist religious/political movements as a reactionary response to something. |
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| sankt pauli casual | Nov 8 2009, 02:28 PM Post #43 |
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Is Leeds EDL A certain Tony White by any chance ? very trustworthy, used to work for searchlight and supply info to AFA, Didnt he go to prison for threatening school kids on a bus ? helped Nick Lowles [ searchlight editor ] make his world in action program.His dad was never kidnapped by Hamas, it was a pathetic publicity stunt to sell his crappy statues, shunned by the rightwing and laughed at by the Left wing....seems to best buddies with wigan mike of the BFF [ mod on here I believe ] ,Don't believe a word the little grass says about his past, he's the walter mitty of combat 18, check out the book White Lies for more info about him...forgot to add he used to sell kiddy porn and snuff films....Do a googl search if you don't believe me...The guys a snake |
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| The Swine | Nov 8 2009, 02:47 PM Post #44 |
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Makes me wonder how many dodge pots there are on this forum.Its inevitable the EDL will attract all kinds of cranks such as people who idolise Nazis,the mentally ill and sad Walter Mitty's who have empty lives.This sort of organisation can be a form of escapsim for their dull lives.Sadly its not a game the EDL is playing as the threat from radical Islam and Sharia Law is serious and isn't a thing that can be tackled by the deluded.I am sure there are plenty of Waffen SS re-enactment societies that will allow people to play out their fantasies. |
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| Wasted | Nov 8 2009, 03:17 PM Post #45 |
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This woman also denies the Holocaust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDCGdEZ10gc&feature=player_embedded |
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| expat | Nov 9 2009, 08:55 AM Post #46 |
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so if banning bnp supporters becuse we dont agree with their raciall polices can we please ban labour supporters as well for inflicting this islamic jihad on us and employing them tories ok thougth |
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| The Swine | Nov 9 2009, 11:24 AM Post #47 |
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If Labour supporters have joined this forum I presume they don't agree with their parties mass immigration policy and appeasment of Islamic extremists.Charlie is a Labour supporter but I haven't seen him try and convert anyone to Labour.The same can't be said for BNP supporters who have found their way here.They try and convert others to their own biggoted way of thinking and that is unacceptable.Its no different to the Islamic preachers of hate who poision the minds of young Muslims. |
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| lancashirelad | Nov 9 2009, 11:53 AM Post #48 |
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I havnt seen no-one try to convert people to the BNP, and Charlie doesnt try to convert people to labour hes just a mouth piece for them and his views tally with those of the labour party. Which for me tells it own story. |
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| AgeofEnlightenment | Nov 9 2009, 12:53 PM Post #49 |
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We're not going to ban people for showing support of a particular party, most people who vote BNP do so out of protest or because they think closing the doors on immigration will fix the country (despite the fact Griffy wants to even kick out people who legally emmigrated to England using bribery), but we now have a BNP containment thread so stick with that. The biggest problem is how our governments hand out hundreds of millions of pounds to foreign regimes but give very little to the councils and government bodies of your average English town. Most communities have been left behind. This ties in with opposing extremism. |
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| charlie | Nov 9 2009, 01:34 PM Post #50 |
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Please show me were I'm a mouthpiece for labour . Yes I agree my views can be tainted towards labour that whats makes a person . Is what you Believe I notice its only my name that has been torted about . Why no others is it because I with others are one of them that confront the Nazi when they try and raise there hungry head . When I first come on this forum back in September I told every one where I stood and was up front how many have you far-right wingers did this .I'm a regular poster on this forum and have been to 2 demos . I fully support the E.D.L but I wont stand like many others for the racist or just anti muslim comments some people can make on here and your one of them lancslad . This is about extremist Islam and if you support that at least we agree on something but if you got a other agenda then go where it more suited . |
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