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A message to ALL EDL on the Busses; You may be able to claim
Topic Started: Sep 7 2009, 02:02 PM (2,463 Views)
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To all the members of EDL who were falsely imprisoned on the buses, you may have a case to claim against the authorities.

Contact these: http://www.tuckerssolicitors.com/

Don't get your hopes up, but you were denied basic human rights.
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Aye, as I originally posted in the section for Saturday, good luck to all of you who are putting a claim in, the fella I spoke to on the phone said that we definetly have a case.
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Will defo be looking into it - not for the money - but the principal of it all. Had something similar a few years back with ob, and had a great brief who won the case....and more!
What they did locking us in a pub, under the subway, on the buses was all wrong.
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Will defo be looking into it - not for the money - but the principal of it all. Had something similar a few years back with ob, and had a great brief who won the case....and more!
What they did locking us in a pub, under the subway, on the buses was all wrong.
When I said I needed the toilet, he told me there was nothing he could do, when i spoke to his superior advisor he told me ''If you have to go, you have to go''.

Im not being funny but we had our basic human rights stripped away, if they take the case which i've been informed they will im sure we will win, he said he's busy right now took my number and said that he will definetly get back to me as soon as possible.
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Mate, I think I know who you are. I was at that end of the subway and a couple of things you have posted, I heard straight from the horses mouth so to speak. They wouldn`t even let that female go to the loo to start with.
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Mate, I think I know who you are. I was at that end of the subway and a couple of things you have posted, I heard straight from the horses mouth so to speak. They wouldn`t even let that female go to the loo to start with.
That is it, although the people on the bus to Coventry they were held for longer and that a crime was commited so we'll see what happens.

Will let you all know when Tuckers get back to me.
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Please try and remember that every moment of police time that you waste is time that could be spent hunting down our enemies.

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Please try and remember that every moment of police time that you waste is time that could be spent hunting down our enemies.

Usually I would agree with you, but in this case they have clearly shown that they have time to waste, they spent 7 hours with a bus full of protestors.

They kept us in a subway for about 2 hours, then escorted us to Birmingham International with an escort of seven police vans and 2 police cars along with countless numbers of motorbikes.

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This might of been for your own safety, you may be sitting at home thinking that you are only dealing with a few young asian youths, the militant islamic threat in this country is very, very serious indeed and I would not put it past them to go after you with lethal force.

This is not just an excuse for a drinking session and a scream and a shout, this is a very serious situation indeed.

The police were protecting you from harm, for this you should be grateful. They were also preventing violence on our nations streets.

There are easy strategic ways in which you can avoid a repeat of this unfortunate and costly episode, however it does require focus and discipline.


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This might of been for your own safety, you may be sitting at home thinking that you are only dealing with a few young asian youths, the militant islamic threat in this country is very, very serious indeed and I would not put it past them to go after you with lethal force.

This is not just an excuse for a drinking session and a scream and a shout, this is a very serious situation indeed.

The police were protecting you from harm, for this you should be grateful. They were also preventing violence on our nations streets.

There are easy strategic ways in which you can avoid a repeat of this unfortnate and costly episode, however it does require focus and discipline.


If we are worried about our own safety I doubt we would have gone back, obviously I don't want to get hurt or see anyone else hurt but if that denies me my right to protest I will take apropriate action.

Maybe if you had been there I would accept your point but you wern't so I fail to see how you can take the side of the Police.
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This might of been for your own safety, you may be sitting at home thinking that you are only dealing with a few young asian youths, the militant islamic threat in this country is very, very serious indeed and I would not put it past them to go after you with lethal force.

This is not just an excuse for a drinking session and a scream and a shout, this is a very serious situation indeed.

The police were protecting you from harm, for this you should be grateful. They were also preventing violence on our nations streets.

There are easy strategic ways in which you can avoid a repeat of this unfortnate and costly episode, however it does require focus and discipline.


If we are worried about our own safety I doubt we would have gone back, obviously I don't want to get hurt or see anyone else hurt but if that denies me my right to protest I will take apropriate action.

Maybe if you had been there I would accept your point but you wern't so I fail to see how you can take the side of the Police.
I am not taking anyone's side, I am merely analysing the situation.

You wanted to protest peacefully in Birmingham City Centre, word got around and before you even arrived fighting had started on the streets.

The police then stopped the event due to the violence on the streets, it is that simple.

I would not want to stroll through my local town and see gangs of people fighting and throwing bricks & bottles at each other.

You coordinated yourselves and the event without thinking it through, however on the positive side you can learn from your mistakes.

Finally I say again, radical militant islamic groups are no joking matter, in all my post's you have never seen me being jovial or making jokes over the matter.

This is a very serious situation indeed and if the police moved you away from the area, then I would be grateful as you could of ended up seriously hurt.

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still u have to ask: why werent the extremist thugs dealt with by the police then?
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This might of been for your own safety, you may be sitting at home thinking that you are only dealing with a few young asian youths, the militant islamic threat in this country is very, very serious indeed and I would not put it past them to go after you with lethal force.

This is not just an excuse for a drinking session and a scream and a shout, this is a very serious situation indeed.

The police were protecting you from harm, for this you should be grateful. They were also preventing violence on our nations streets.

There are easy strategic ways in which you can avoid a repeat of this unfortnate and costly episode, however it does require focus and discipline.


If we are worried about our own safety I doubt we would have gone back, obviously I don't want to get hurt or see anyone else hurt but if that denies me my right to protest I will take apropriate action.

Maybe if you had been there I would accept your point but you wern't so I fail to see how you can take the side of the Police.
I am not taking anyone's side, I am merely analysing the situation.

You wanted to protest peacefully in Birmingham City Centre, word got around and before you even arrived fighting had started on the streets.

The police then stopped the event due to the violence on the streets, it is that simple.

I would not want to stroll through my local town and see gangs of people fighting and throwing bricks & bottles at each other.

You coordinated yourselves and the event without thinking it through, however on the positive side you can learn from your mistakes.

Finally I say again, radical militant islamic groups are no joking matter, in all my post's you have never seen me being jovial or making jokes over the matter.

This is a very serious situation indeed and if the police moved you away from the area, then I would be grateful as you could of ended up seriously hurt.

I can see your point, but we was moved 20 miles away to Coventry and STILL not allowed basic human rights such as toilet facilities and after begging we received a few bottles of water handed through the windows, between 50 of us.

We was in a safe place (police station) for hours, yet still kept on a bus. When we was moved, it was to the van area, which again had no toilets and so lads had to piss against a wall. Officers were asked for water supply, which AGAIN was refused.


They did not ask in the 6+ hours they kept us imprisoned whether there was anyone with medical needs or anthing. Last year Stoke fans we're treated like this, and there case went to court.. and they won.


How is that fair? Human rights? Your kidding me.
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Also when being rushed by the asians by the bennets pub why did the police do nothing when they was running towards us and until the one muslim was on his ass they did everything in there power to stop anyone getting to him.
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still u have to ask: why werent the extremist thugs dealt with by the police then?
Normal practice is for the police to gather intelligence on suspects first and then look at the evidence and then the best way to proceed.

You can all help in this by giving as much information as you possibly can to the police about any suspicious activity etc.

The militants and their allies will not hesitate to grass you up, they will be queing at the station door.

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This might of been for your own safety, you may be sitting at home thinking that you are only dealing with a few young asian youths, the militant islamic threat in this country is very, very serious indeed and I would not put it past them to go after you with lethal force.

This is not just an excuse for a drinking session and a scream and a shout, this is a very serious situation indeed.

The police were protecting you from harm, for this you should be grateful. They were also preventing violence on our nations streets.

There are easy strategic ways in which you can avoid a repeat of this unfortnate and costly episode, however it does require focus and discipline.


If we are worried about our own safety I doubt we would have gone back, obviously I don't want to get hurt or see anyone else hurt but if that denies me my right to protest I will take apropriate action.

Maybe if you had been there I would accept your point but you wern't so I fail to see how you can take the side of the Police.
I am not taking anyone's side, I am merely analysing the situation.

You wanted to protest peacefully in Birmingham City Centre, word got around and before you even arrived fighting had started on the streets.

The police then stopped the event due to the violence on the streets, it is that simple.

I would not want to stroll through my local town and see gangs of people fighting and throwing bricks & bottles at each other.

You coordinated yourselves and the event without thinking it through, however on the positive side you can learn from your mistakes.

Finally I say again, radical militant islamic groups are no joking matter, in all my post's you have never seen me being jovial or making jokes over the matter.

This is a very serious situation indeed and if the police moved you away from the area, then I would be grateful as you could of ended up seriously hurt.

I can see your point, but we was moved 20 miles away to Coventry and STILL not allowed basic human rights such as toilet facilities and after begging we received a few bottles of water handed through the windows, between 50 of us.

We was in a safe place (police station) for hours, yet still kept on a bus. When we was moved, it was to the van area, which again had no toilets and so lads had to piss against a wall. Officers were asked for water supply, which AGAIN was refused.


They did not ask in the 6+ hours they kept us imprisoned whether there was anyone with medical needs or anthing. Last year Stoke fans we're treated like this, and there case went to court.. and they won.


How is that fair? Human rights? Your kidding me.
Well I am very sorry that you were not given access to a toilet and refreshments etc.

Wasting police time in going after them in court will only strengthen the hand and resolve of the radicals as they will be over the moon to see us fighting amoung ourselves.

Six hours your say?

I have to be honest, but that does sound a little weak, if it was me I would sit there quietly for six hours just like a well trained soldier and then leave. Knowing me I would probably quite enjoy it and see as some form of discipline test.

Our boys on the front line in afghanistan spend days is cramped dark conditions with bombs landing all around them.

There is no sweet shop and x-box to play on when the Taliban come calling.

Let us show our strength.

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This might of been for your own safety, you may be sitting at home thinking that you are only dealing with a few young asian youths, the militant islamic threat in this country is very, very serious indeed and I would not put it past them to go after you with lethal force.

This is not just an excuse for a drinking session and a scream and a shout, this is a very serious situation indeed.

The police were protecting you from harm, for this you should be grateful. They were also preventing violence on our nations streets.

There are easy strategic ways in which you can avoid a repeat of this unfortnate and costly episode, however it does require focus and discipline.


If we are worried about our own safety I doubt we would have gone back, obviously I don't want to get hurt or see anyone else hurt but if that denies me my right to protest I will take apropriate action.

Maybe if you had been there I would accept your point but you wern't so I fail to see how you can take the side of the Police.
I am not taking anyone's side, I am merely analysing the situation.

You wanted to protest peacefully in Birmingham City Centre, word got around and before you even arrived fighting had started on the streets.

The police then stopped the event due to the violence on the streets, it is that simple.

I would not want to stroll through my local town and see gangs of people fighting and throwing bricks & bottles at each other.

You coordinated yourselves and the event without thinking it through, however on the positive side you can learn from your mistakes.

Finally I say again, radical militant islamic groups are no joking matter, in all my post's you have never seen me being jovial or making jokes over the matter.

This is a very serious situation indeed and if the police moved you away from the area, then I would be grateful as you could of ended up seriously hurt.

I can see your point, but we was moved 20 miles away to Coventry and STILL not allowed basic human rights such as toilet facilities and after begging we received a few bottles of water handed through the windows, between 50 of us.

We was in a safe place (police station) for hours, yet still kept on a bus. When we was moved, it was to the van area, which again had no toilets and so lads had to piss against a wall. Officers were asked for water supply, which AGAIN was refused.


They did not ask in the 6+ hours they kept us imprisoned whether there was anyone with medical needs or anthing. Last year Stoke fans we're treated like this, and there case went to court.. and they won.


How is that fair? Human rights? Your kidding me.
Well I am very sorry that you were not given access to a toilet and refreshments etc.

Wasting police time in going after them in court will only strengthen the hand and resolve of the radicals as they will be over the moon to see us fighting amoung ourselves.

Six hours your say?

I have to be honest, but that does sound a little weak, if it was me I would sit there quietly for six hours just like a well trained soldier and then leave. Knowing me I would probably quite enjoy it and see as some form of discipline test.

Our boys on the front line in afghanistan spend days is cramped dark conditions with bombs landing all around them.

There is no sweet shop and x-box to play on when the Taliban come calling.

Let us show our strength.

But as much as I am honoured to have British Soldiers serving us, I am not a soldier.

I was a member of public going to a peaceful demo, but not given the right to even use a toilet nor drink water for several hours. That is basic human rights that we are all entitled too.

It's not about sitting there like a soldier, a discipline test etc We was treated worse than animals, the bus stunk of piss. Lads had to piss on the bus floor, which with 50 odd lads is a lot of urine just damp on the floor.

This was not anything to do with Taliban attacking us, we was away from any danger... this is the West Midlands Police attacking us by not giving us the Human Rights we all deserve.

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It is obvious that you are still angry about this, I am in no doubt about that.

If it mean's anything for it, I am sorry, I would however put this down to experience and think long and hard about the next demo, the coordination, the preparation and mostly importantly the exit strategy.

You can look at this in two ways, I choose to look at it as an important lesson.

Again I would of used the experience to learn, analyse and strengthen my resolve.



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It is obvious that you are still angry about this, I am in no doubt about that.

If it mean's anything for it, I am sorry, I would however put this down to experience and think long and hard about the next demo, the coordination, the preparation and mostly importantly the exit strategy.

You can look at this in two ways, I choose to look at it as an important lesson.

Again i would of used the experience to learn, analyse and strengthen my resolve.



And what would you have done to make it so much better, there is nothing that could of been done, at the end of the day the Police didn't want us there and they made it clear when they forced us on to buses to leave the city.

The Muslims/UAF protesters were free to walk the city shouting to the rooftops their bulls**t comments whilst we weretreated like farm animals.

See it as you want but you were not there, you bring up our soldiers and diffrent scenarios but we were not in those scenarios and infact with us on Saturday there was atleast one ex-soldier and he was on the second bus, he may or may not have behaved himself but that isn't the point.

Seems to me you are very opinionated on matters which don't concern you, I understand some people can't get to various protests for one reason or not, what is your reason ED?
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And what would you have done to make it so much better, there is nothing that could of been done, at the end of the day the Police didn't want us there and they made it clear when they forced us on to buses to leave the city.

I would have had a sit down with the police before the event and planned out different eventualities and responses.

Personally I would not of chosen Birmingham as a protest location.

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The Muslims/UAF protesters were free to walk the city shouting to the rooftops their bulls**t comments whilst we weretreated like farm animals.

Then the whole approach was flawed.

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See it as you want but you were not there, you bring up our soldiers and diffrent scenarios but we were not in those scenarios and infact with us on Saturday there was atleast one ex-soldier and he was on the second bus, he may or may not have behaved himself but that isn't the point.

No, gratefully I was not there, any troop I would move with would be very well disciplined, or we don't move at all.

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Seems to me you are very opinionated on matters which don't concern you, I understand some people can't get to various protests for one reason or not, what is your reason ED?

Don't concern me, that is a ridiculous statement, this whole game effects me just as much as it effects all patriots.

The reason I did not attend is firstly it is not my chosen strategy and secondly I have personal reasons for not attending. I will PM you on this.

Your response to my post show 'limitations' to your global thinking, take your time when you next reply.

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And what would you have done to make it so much better, there is nothing that could of been done, at the end of the day the Police didn't want us there and they made it clear when they forced us on to buses to leave the city.

I would have had a sit down with the police before the event and planned out different eventualities and responses.

Personally I would not of chosen Birmingham as a protest location.

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The Muslims/UAF protesters were free to walk the city shouting to the rooftops their bulls**t comments whilst we weretreated like farm animals.

Then the whole approach was flawed.

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See it as you want but you were not there, you bring up our soldiers and diffrent scenarios but we were not in those scenarios and infact with us on Saturday there was atleast one ex-soldier and he was on the second bus, he may or may not have behaved himself but that isn't the point.

No, gratefully I was not there, any troop I would move with would be very well disciplined, or we don't move at all.

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Seems to me you are very opinionated on matters which don't concern you, I understand some people can't get to various protests for one reason or not, what is your reason ED?

Don't concern me, that is a ridiculous statement, this whole game effects me just as much as it effects all patriots.

The reason I did not attend is firstly it is not my chosen strategy and secondly I have personal reasons for not attending. I will PM you on this.

Your response to my post show 'limitations' to your global thinking, take your time when you next reply.

As I have stated before, I am still young and I may miss the odd thing here and there but from my understanding the Police had been in contact, maybe it wasn't the most thought out plan but all the same spending time organizing roots etc is stupid because the Police will decide on the day.

I have messaged you back on the matter, wether you choose to protest or not is your decision I completly respect why you may or may not choose to do this but at the end of the day my response is still valid, you were not there so your input to wether we should take legal action is invalid.

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As I have stated before, I am still young and I may miss the odd thing here and there but from my understanding the Police had been in contact, maybe it wasn't the most thought out plan but all the same spending time organizing roots etc is stupid because the Police will decide on the day.

I agree that your route will be chosen by the police. You were moved from the area due to violence.

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I have messaged you back on the matter, wether you choose to protest or not is your decision I completly respect why you may or may not choose to do this but at the end of the day my response is still valid, you were not there so your input to wether we should take legal action is invalid.

Far from invalid it could be very pertinent.

I would adivse you to build better relations with the police and authorities, you win by alienating yourselves from everyone.

Personally I would put it all down to experience and study what proceeded quite carefully.


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Better relations? That works both ways, and them denying people basic rights is not one of them.

They are not going to allow us to protest again officially so they can go f**k themselves. Yes I am still angry, and so are many others trapped on them buses but what they did is disgusting and they must be shown that we will not allow them to do that again.

If that was a bus full of Muslims, the media and themselves would be shouting from the mountains. Do you expect us to sit back and let them get away with that?
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Better relations? That works both ways, and them denying people basic rights is not one of them.

What was the general behaviour like on the bus?

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They are not going to allow us to protest again officially so they can go f**k themselves. Yes I am still angry, and so are many others trapped on them buses but what they did is disgusting and they must be shown that we will not allow them to do that again.

This is your choice, personally I would put it down to experience.

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If that was a bus full of Muslims, the media and themselves would be shouting from the mountains. Do you expect us to sit back and let them get away with that?

Well they might of requested to be let off the bus to pray, perhaps you should of asked for that instead.

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Better relations? That works both ways, and them denying people basic rights is not one of them.

What was the general behaviour like on the bus?

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They are not going to allow us to protest again officially so they can go f**k themselves. Yes I am still angry, and so are many others trapped on them buses but what they did is disgusting and they must be shown that we will not allow them to do that again.

This is your choice, personally I would put it down to experience.

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If that was a bus full of Muslims, the media and themselves would be shouting from the mountains. Do you expect us to sit back and let them get away with that?

Well they might of requested to be let off the bus to pray, perhaps you should of asked for that instead.

The general behaviour of DOWNSTAIRS where I was, was behaved completly. Upstairs obviously there was damage to the windows, but I cannot comment as I was not upstairs.

As for asking for praying? We asked to use toilet facilities and fresh water even when we arrived at the police station which was refused. That is far more of a human right than praying, and you and I both know if we had asked for that we would have been laughed at.
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The general behaviour of DOWNSTAIRS where I was, was behaved completly. Upstairs obviously there was damage to the windows, but I cannot comment as I was not upstairs.

As for asking for praying? We asked to use toilet facilities and fresh water even when we arrived at the police station which was refused. That is far more of a human right than praying, and you and I both know if we had asked for that we would have been laughed at.

I can see why you would be so distressed about it and you come across as someone with a level of understanding.

How you respond to these events, I shall leave with you.

I would however look long and hard at ways in which these things can be avoided in the future.


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To be honest I don't think I'll bother with it. Just going to appeal my fine and have my innocence proven. Not sure whether the CCTV works on the bus but if it does, they'll see I did nothing except sit on a bus.

Next time, if police order buses I'll just go home. No point being locked on it for x hours, taken out of town, then left stranded.
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The general behaviour of DOWNSTAIRS where I was, was behaved completly. Upstairs obviously there was damage to the windows, but I cannot comment as I was not upstairs.

As for asking for praying? We asked to use toilet facilities and fresh water even when we arrived at the police station which was refused. That is far more of a human right than praying, and you and I both know if we had asked for that we would have been laughed at.

I can see why you would be so distressed about it and you come across as someone with a level of understanding.

How you respond to these events, I shall leave with you.

I would however look long and hard at ways in which these things can be avoided in the future.


I whole heartly agre with your last sentence.

As for the rest, I'll leave it to the professionals.

Oh and they can stick their 80 quid fine up their arses, and can pay for my expenses for going back to court, once they gain cctv from the bus which shows those of us sitting downstairs doing nothing but needing a piss. :unsure:
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i was on the bus to downstairs and had to suffer the bull s**t of going back and forward to cov twice. held on the bus for hours being treated like a dog,if we moved a inch by the doors we were attacked with sheilds,when most of us went for a peacefull day.Was locked up for 7 hours then issued a 80 quid fine, then had to pay 50 quid taxi back to brum and then to top it off in the dog house with the missis great f**king day.
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i was on the bus to downstairs and had to suffer the bull s**t of going back and forward to cov twice. held on the bus for hours being treated like a dog,if we moved a inch by the doors we were attacked with sheilds,when most of us went for a peacefull day.Was locked up for 7 hours then issued a 80 quid fine, then had to pay 50 quid taxi back to brum and then to top it off in the dog house with the missis great f**king day.
It sounds like some of the people on the bus ruined it for the rest.

My advice is put this behind you and let us hope that we can all learn from the experience.

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I hope you are all aware that the whole bus thing was a ploy to destroy your spirit. I.e. scare some of you off from coming to future protests for fear of the same thing happening again. Despite what Elite Defender says, it was not a logical or fair tactic. If you lot were in danger, the police should have been concentrating their efforts on the Muslims, not you. Essentially, the police are saying that you were punished because of the actions of Muslims.

Elite Defender - you know that I respect your input but I just don't understand your apologetic stance. Yes, relations with the police and authorities should be good. But can't you see that no matter how hard we try to co-operate, the state do NOT want the EDL's voice to be heard?

And on a related note, Elite, if the government are so innocent in all of this, how do you explain the situation this country is in? Do you honestly believe that the government just made a big mistake allowing Islamic extremism to grow? And if so, why are they doing f**k all about it now? When will you realise that the government are NOT on our side?
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The government are far from innocent. It is their social engineering project that has led to this mayhem and civil unrest. They further stripped the English of their identity and through prolonged periods of brow beating made them the scared people they are today.


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I hope you are all aware that the whole bus thing was a ploy to destroy your spirit. I.e. scare some of you off from coming to future protests for fear of the same thing happening again. Despite what Elite Defender says, it was not a logical or fair tactic. If you lot were in danger, the police should have been concentrating their efforts on the Muslims, not you. Essentially, the police are saying that you were punished because of the actions of Muslims.

Or it was to prevent further violence on the streets of Birmingham.

Organise a protest at a landmark of national interest where the area is secure and that no UAF etc are allowed in. Then watch the police do their job.

All the police were doing on Saturday was their job, I cannot believe that some of you have failed to grasp that. The prevention of violence.

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Elite Defender - you know that I respect your input but I just don't understand your apologetic stance. Yes, relations with the police and authorities should be good. But can't you see that no matter how hard we try to co-operate, the state do NOT want the EDL's voice to be heard?

With a well orchestrated media campaign and good behaviour and policy to back the EDL up then it will be hard to stop.

Birmingham went pear shaped, better organisation is needed.

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And on a related note, Elite, if the government are so innocent in all of this, how do you explain the situation this country is in? Do you honestly believe that the government just made a big mistake allowing Islamic extremism to grow? And if so, why are they doing f**k all about it now? When will you realise that the government are NOT on our side?

I agree with a lot of what the government is trying to achieve, unfortunately the human race is unpredictable, difficult and often very evil.

The first priority of a modern democracy is the economy, when people have no jobs then they start screaming. Immigration was the answer that they opted for.

At this current time we have a problem with Islamic extremist's crackpots who will murder us all.

I am fully aware of the problems and challenges that we as a nation face.

There is only so much we as members of the general public can achieve, the EDL will need the support of the police for future long term goals.



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I hope you are all aware that the whole bus thing was a ploy to destroy your spirit. I.e. scare some of you off from coming to future protests for fear of the same thing happening again. Despite what Elite Defender says, it was not a logical or fair tactic. If you lot were in danger, the police should have been concentrating their efforts on the Muslims, not you. Essentially, the police are saying that you were punished because of the actions of Muslims.

Elite Defender - you know that I respect your input but I just don't understand your apologetic stance. Yes, relations with the police and authorities should be good. But can't you see that no matter how hard we try to co-operate, the state do NOT want the EDL's voice to be heard?

And on a related note, Elite, if the government are so innocent in all of this, how do you explain the situation this country is in? Do you honestly believe that the government just made a big mistake allowing Islamic extremism to grow? And if so, why are they doing f**k all about it now? When will you realise that the government are NOT on our side?
you are bang on there mate it was to destroy our spirit i told at least 10 people on the bus the exact same thing

today on the BBC midland news they showed a EDL member with blood all down his face to me they was useing the same tactic there it wont stop me though it just makes me even more determined to get off my arse and get my voice heard

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Fair enough Elite. But I think you'll discover as this unravels that as much as the EDL try to comply with police, the police don't actually want to comply with groups like the EDL. Cynical I know, but I consider myself pretty accurate on predicting these kinds of matters.
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I'm not normally one who believes in the moral, "where there's a blame there's a claim" but in this instance I'm only too happy to encourage all the victims of this injustice. The reason I feel this vociferous is because, the locusts that have swarmed into this country are only too willing to screw the system for what they can get. And who can blame them? The only people I blame are the left wing do-gooders, the same treacherous scum that have created this dangerous predicament that this once stable land now finds itself. The legal system in this country has been used to the detriment of all it's law abiding, upstanding, citizens. The only winners up to now of our compensation culture have been the scum and the parasites that now plague our nation. So now let's turn our nation's soft under belly to our advantage. It's worked very nicely for all the vermin, let's see now how this country's Achillies heel, can now work for all it's inhabitants, not just the Leeches. Pursue this one Lads. And see you in Manchester.
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Also, if the police realise people are not going to lay down and will contact solicitors - maybe they won`t be as quick to treat us like animals in future.
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This might of been for your own safety, you may be sitting at home thinking that you are only dealing with a few young asian youths, the militant islamic threat in this country is very, very serious indeed and I would not put it past them to go after you with lethal force.

This is not just an excuse for a drinking session and a scream and a shout, this is a very serious situation indeed.

The police were protecting you from harm, for this you should be grateful. They were also preventing violence on our nations streets.

There are easy strategic ways in which you can avoid a repeat of this unfortunate and costly episode, however it does require focus and discipline.


You are spot on here Elite defender. I do know that all the Coppers I'm mates with, are decent blokes. Unfortunately they have become tools of the state. And I can sit on my sanctimonious arse, extolling the virtues of being true to my own leanings and conscience, but! I'm not looking at waving goodbye to an index linked pension. I suppose we would all become arse lickers to our paymasters put in the same position. I also know that a lot of Bill, share our allegiances, specially the older ones. Lets remember Lads, that these Guys are doing a job, not a bad job either considering the circumstances. I know how irritating it is, what often appears as unilateral policing, i.e. the press statement made by the West midlands police, but they would never, I repeat never, turn a momentary blind eye to one of us getting a kicking from the UAF and it's thugs. Please co-operate with the police, the Bobby on the streets is on our side.
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I agree, the police are trying to keep us safe from evil murdering terrorists and criminals.

Report any suspicious activity as it could be vital to the war effort and even save lives.

It is time to choose loyalties and sides.

I stand for the UK and our people.


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Correct my friend. I think us lot are starting to learn. I know for a fact that the Police are under a lot of pressure to achieve stats and figures. This is weighed up against cost, and who are the cheapest people to Police, yes! Us! See you in Manchester
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I was on the Bus, after being held in the pub for a few hours,waiting for letter now from london law firm..good luck guys..
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After reading this topic I feel there's a need for the E.D.L to be educated on the right to protest in the U.K and the Human Rights act. E.D.L's right to protest was indeed disrupted by the law enforcement officers, but was it a correct decision on behalf of the police?

Did E.D.L
a) notify the police in advance of their plans for the protest [1]
b) advise them of expected numbers
c) apply for a permit if one is required or requested
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I think E.D.L may have failed on b), perhaps c) the police were obviously aware of a).

E.D.L are LEGALLY required to notify the police SIX days in advance [1]

If E.D.L don't follow the law precisely then things like E.D.L being locked up on a bus will happen I'm sorry to say. E.D.L do indeed have the right to protest but E.D.L have to educate it's members and unite just like muslim protesters do and they protest freely.

Police may prevent the protest if there's fears of:
- riots or other serious public disorder
- damage to property
- serious disruption to the life of the community

Which muslim protesters indeed have caused public disorder and would or should be arrested as a result of this.

Suggestions: Talk with your local M.P, follow the law, talk to the police chief if possible and ask for his views on the situation. Tell him about how the muslim protesters have violated the right to protest, and by allowing them they're not enforcing the law.

E.D.L members can view source [3] below and find if any of the human rights were in fact violated it would be helpful. Hiring lawyers are expensive and E.D.L can all read and collect evidence of the abuse of rights via recordings.

By muslim protesters following the law, and E.D.L not doing this.. it allows the muslim protesters to get their views across and not the E.D.L. You could be as sneaky as them but E.D.L need to learn the law first.

[1] Human Rights
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Yourrightsandresponsibilities/DG_4002951

[2] Right To Protest
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Yourrightsandresponsibilities/DG_176761

[3] Human Rights Act
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/documents/digitalasset/dg_070456.pdf
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I propose for Elite Defender to be the EDL's Demo Strategist and Contingency Planning Advisor! We could do with some professional disciplined guidance!
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By muslim protesters following the law, and E.D.L not doing this.. it allows the muslim protesters to get their views across and not the E.D.L. You could be as sneaky as them but E.D.L need to learn the law first.
Good thinking. Part of the trouble is that we've completely abandoned patriotism and history, and hence don't even understand the law or what makes our society tick.

Back in a Victorian school-room there was a black-board, a Union Jack and a map of the Empire, with up to 22% of the world's area marked in pink.

And nothing else (well, except a cane leaning up against the black-board!).

Obviously, we can't go back to that - but we could quickly become big players in the world again if we learned what made our country great and tried to emulate our heroes. Why does every pub-quiz have questions about America geography and leaders, but none about British geography and leaders? We must be mad!
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The serious Muslim militant threat, a slight exaggeration I think.

The young Muslims who attacked you were frustrated by the purpose provocation, your intolerance is creating a further problem. Those young men were stupid for raising your bait.

My work involves working with different people of different races and religions, Iv found this website filled with typical Islamaphobic attitudes. In a guise of making a stand against radical Islam, your racist and Islamophobic attitudes are causing greater animosity. Open your minds and hearts, humanise the other (in this case Muslims) and reach out. You maybe surprised that the bogey man doesn't exist, but stems from a deep rooted fear of the unknown.
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a slight exaggeration oh you must be muslim
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Mohammed Ali, Until a Muslim protest group is formed against militant Islam and Islamic Fundamentalists, Islamaphobia (if there is such a medical condition) is going to increase rapidly, so can i suggest you gather your brothers, and prove to the world that your religion is the religion of peace that you say it is.

Is this too much to ask?
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That bus was a joke how can the ob get away with it????? ok the bus did get a bit smashed up, but is was hot (when the windows was in), stunk of piss and sick, Turkish prisons are cleaner then this, but what does my head in the most is how they can get away with it, lets just hope they cant.
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The serious Muslim militant threat, a slight exaggeration I think.

The young Muslims who attacked you were frustrated by the purpose provocation, your intolerance is creating a further problem. Those young men were stupid for raising your bait.

My work involves working with different people of different races and religions, Iv found this website filled with typical Islamaphobic attitudes. In a guise of making a stand against radical Islam, your racist and Islamophobic attitudes are causing greater animosity. Open your minds and hearts, humanise the other (in this case Muslims) and reach out. You maybe surprised that the bogey man doesn't exist, but stems from a deep rooted fear of the unknown.
Wow fancy that, being told we have a fear of the unknown by someone appeasing to a religion.

I could take you seriously any day.
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The police do use tactics to try to dissuade protestors from protesting ever again. I was at the G20 protests in April, though i don't blame the coppers on an individual level (well, except those famously caught attacking people and even murdering Ian Tomlinson). The purpose of the kettlling there was clearly done to simply bore people. Again, no provisions were available, water, toilets e.t.c, and nobody could leave, not even dibetics that needed food or injections, disgraceful and quite frightening for a lot of people.


It will be difficult to avoid in Manchester though it won't stop me attending, i'll be better prepared on the 10th though.
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