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Rule Discussion; Lets make some rules
Topic Started: Jul 10 2008, 12:03 PM (320 Views)
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Thanks for starting the league ahathaway.

1. 2C 2LW 2RW 4D 2G 5 bench 3IR
3. G,A,PPP,SHP,+/-,PIM,SOG,GWG ... W,GAA,S%,SO
4. H2H
5. 5 Farm
6. age game limit, doesn't matter to me
7. Commish and a Co-Commish


Cheers

Brian
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My comments on a few of the suggestions listed above.

I would rather have one 22 round draft with anyone drafted last month eligible.

I don't like the idea that the winner gets an extra keeper, or the GM of the year getting an extra keeper. I'm also not sure about giving the winner 1st pick in the next year's waiver draft. That's kind of the rich getting richer.

If we go with 17 and 5 on the farm, maybe keep 10 of 17 plus all 5 on your farm.

I'd also like to keep shutouts.

Just my 2 cents.

Brian
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Seeds

G'day all!

I have only two comments.

1. I really do not like to count points twice, and thus dont like the idea of GWG, PPP, etc... However, I will go with the majority on this.


2. Can we get rid of the idea of "fairness"? Fairness has nothing to do with pools. Trades can be unfair and lopsided, just as in real life. In the pools in which I participate, trades are only vetoed when there is collusion involved. I guess the only caveat to that would be a trade that is so ridiculous that you have to assume collusion even if there was not (not a lopsided trade, but one that no one could ever justify). I am going to assume that we are all honest and would not collude with another owner.

That's it for me.

I look forward to getting my ass kicked by you all!





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Narayan

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Jul 10 2008, 05:47 PM
My comments on a few of the suggestions listed above.

I would rather have one 22 round draft with anyone drafted last month eligible.

I don't like the idea that the winner gets an extra keeper, or the GM of the year getting an extra keeper. I'm also not sure about giving the winner 1st pick in the next year's waiver draft. That's kind of the rich getting richer.

If we go with 17 and 5 on the farm, maybe keep 10 of 17 plus all 5 on your farm.

I'd also like to keep shutouts.

Just my 2 cents.

Brian
Well you have to reward the winner some how...

The waiver draft is SNAKE

the prospect is NOT... so the weaker teams develop through youth more

so its not all weighed to the teams that finish the highest.
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ahathaway
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Lets gather the ideas here and see what kind of consensus we have.

1. Roster positions will be 2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 2G, 5B,
There is some debate about IR but I think that we can do a hybrid system even though it will be hard to track. I think that we should have a 3IR system but one of the 3 has to be a goalie. Otherwise you only get 2IR. What do you think?
2. Roster size will be 17 active players with a 5 person farm team.
3. Stat Categories will be G, A, +/-, SOG, PPP, PIM, GWG, W, GAA, SV%
Now we need to determine a few things after this base. I would like to see Blocks or Hits added to boost defensemans value but probably not both. I relate to the idea that some may not like that some players will be credited more than once for points when they get PPPs or GWGs but these are huge parts of the actual game and I think that these categories mean a lot so they should stay. Plus more people than not like these Cats. I feel that we need to add another category for goalies so that they are not completely useless and they go the way of a catcher in fantasy baseball or a kicker in fantasy football. Saves is the best stat to add in my opinion because goalies that have no defense are not completely useless. So unless there is serious opposition that will be addded.
4. The league will be H2H
Only one person voted Roto and I personally feel H2H keeps people interested longer.
5. Playoffs
We need to determine how many teams make the playoffs. 6 or 10 is best so that the teams with the best record in the regular season are rewarded with a first round bye.
6. 5 player farm team.
Easy majority there.
7. Farm qualifications will be a player has to be younger than 24 and play in less than 100 NHL games.
8. There will be a Commish and Co-Commish and a 5 GM rules/fairness committee that will stamp out any collusion but will not evaluate trades. The Commish and Co-Commish will not be part of the committee
I would like Narayan to be either Co-Commish or one of the 5 members of the committee if he so chooses. Demon77 and screamNchicken have already volunteered so they get a seat on the Rules committee. Other than that I am looking for volunteers. First 3 get it.
9. This years draft will not include anyone drafted in this years draft but does include everyone else that has been drafted or signed by an NHL team in years past. We will do an additional draft this season for our farm team. Next year we will do another draft with the players drafted in next years draft and we will do a separate waiver draft. There will be a lottery between the teams that did not make the playoffs to determine who gets the first pick in the rookie draft next season. This season we will randomize the draft order and then the order will be reversed for the farm team draft. Additionally next years draft will be snaking for waiver draft, non-snaking for rookie draft.
The lottery prevents people from tanking on purpose because they are not guaranteed the first pick.
10. Keepers
We need to determine how many players to keep going forward. I like the idea of 10 but there has been some that said 7 so lets come to an agreement here.
11. Reward
I like the idea that the winner is rewarded the first pick in the waiver draft or 1 additional keeper, their choice. It really isn't such a huge deal because the top 126 or 180 will already be gone.

This is a solid base and we are almost there. Hopefully everyone will check in within the next couple of days so that we can hopefully get the draft started within a week or 2.
Edited by ahathaway, Jul 11 2008, 07:45 AM.
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PrestoH

Great discussion...just back from travel so I'll my 2 cents (for what its worth!)...
1. 2C 2LW 2RW 4D 2G 5 bench 3IR
3. G,A,PPP,SHP,+/-,PIM,SOG,GWG ... W,GAA,S%,SO
4. ROTO
5. 5 Farm
6. age game limit, doesn't matter to me
7. Commish and a Co-Commish

Prefer simple Yahoo-style scoring, but willing to go with majority. My experience has been too many categories/combos and people lose interest and won't be as active (as most of us are probably involved in a number of teams/leagues.

For keepers - I like to keep things interesting so my preference would be 7 or even 6 (live dangerously!)

Kudos to commish for rolling with this! Looking forward to the draft.

Pete
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Demon77

Just another couple of quick comments on the IR, I like the 2 player 1 goalie setup

I am good with all the other reccomendations except playoffs. Since we have 18 teams, The best ways I see the playoffs going are:

16 teams make the playoffs - I agree that thats a lot of teams but makes interesting in that its set up as the NHL
14 teams make the playoffs - top 2 teams get a buy, leaving the remaing 12 to play the first round, then after the first round the reaming 8 battle it out.
8 teams - no byes
6 teams - 1st round bye for top two, then 4 teams advance to the second round.

I don't think 10 teams will work as we will have two teams with a by, leaving 8 teams to go head to head, that would leave us with 6 teams for the second round, which will be harder to bracket.

Just my comments.

I think we are close to getting a good solid base of rules here. I am looking forward to drafting!

Mitch
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Saskpool

great, looking like it is coming together ...

I like the 3 IR, as long as one is a goalie idea

As said previously, I prefer 7 keepers, but will go with majority...

I'm heading to the North for a week - out of phone and email range!

back on the 20th
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DAW

Sorry guys.. Was way to busy downloading porn! Well all jokes aside.. I'm open to any format.. But i do think we need to set some format that Balances out forwards and Dmen.. So that the top scoring dman is balanced with the top scoring forwards.. Such as dmen count icetime.. say every 60 minutes played they get one point.. Just giving ideas anyways.. will take part more often.. just was side tracked for awhile.. :'(
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ahathaway
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So this is where we stand:

1. Roster positions will be 2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 2G, 5B 3IR(If you do end up placing 3 people on the IR one has to be a goalie)
2. Roster size will be 17 active players with a 5 person farm team.
3. Stat Categories will be G, A, +/-, Blocks, PPP, PIM, GWG, W, GAA, SV%, Saves
I have decided to take out SOG for players and replace it with Blocks. I am not 100% sure if yahoo has a blocks category and if not than we will go with hits. I also added a saves category to goalies so that goalies on bad teams are worth something.
4. The league will be H2H
5. Playoffs will be 8 teams
Demon made some very valid points. I wanted to have a bye week but I think that 16 and 14 teams are too many and 6 is too few. I think 8 is a good number.
6. 5 player farm team.
7. Farm qualifications will be a player has to be younger than 24 and play in less than 100 NHL games.
8. There will be a Commish and Co-Commish and a 5 GM rules/fairness committee that will stamp out any collusion but will not evaluate trades. The Commish and Co-Commish will not be part of the committee.
9. This years draft will not include anyone drafted in this years draft but does include everyone else that has been drafted or signed by an NHL team in years past. We will do an additional draft this season for our farm team. Next year we will do another draft with the players drafted in next years draft and we will do a separate waiver draft. There will be a lottery between the teams that did not make the playoffs to determine who gets the first pick in the rookie draft next season. This season we will randomize the draft order and then the order will be reversed for the farm team draft. Additionally next years draft will be snaking for waiver draft, non-snaking for rookie draft.
10. Keepers, 10 people every year.
We can determine if we want certain restrictions on these keepers or not.
11. Reward: The winner is rewarded the first pick in the waiver draft or 1 additional keeper, their choice.


This is what I am going to pass on to the rules committee. Please let me know if you see any serious issues here and this can be amended. Thanks everyone for helping shape the league.
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