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Topic Started: May 25 2009, 07:08 PM (3,566 Views)
Rosencrantz
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A disappointing end to the Saga, but we tried something new and different to mixed success. Live and learn. I'm interested in knowing the pros and cons people had for this Saga. What worked, what didn't work. Until Gus or Dave shows up, I'm clueless as to how to operate this next Saga (I'm not going to lie to you fuckers, I'm just jumping in here). Speak up. What do you people want?
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Aiden
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Rosencrantz
Aug 3 2009, 12:12 PM
What do you people want?
A raise.
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Kuhn Kyojaku
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Give me Vegetius's armor.
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Mateus
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honestly: the concept behind it was good but i found the PL to be faulted...
1.5X for us new guys was a challenge in itself and unless you had a complete moveset that worked you stood no chance.
and personally i think its in the moveset that lies the problem not so much the 1.5X my PL.
the lower end guys should have shitty movesets as a handicap.
that was my real problem with this saga is that more of these little guys should have died in battles. instead must of us new guys were just too afraid to actually challenge them and so they lived on for weeks and weeks.

an idea that i was musing around with though: bosses should have hidden PLs.
let me explain:
we work the same sort of way as in the past saga.
novice - 200<100 000
beginner - 100 001<500 000
intermediate - 500 001<1 000 000
expert - 1 000 001<whatever
but, you don't get told that the novice bosses are 1.5X your PL like last time. instead, you create bosses with set PL BUT that information is hidden from the players. all you know is that he is a Novice Level boss. no revelation of stats what so ever, all that is revealed in battle is the boss' HP and thats it. now we will obviously have extremes...where someone who is at 90K pl could face off against a boss who has 25K in PL and vice versa. so i would say that if we as players have the option of running away, then so does the boss. this is where the % of PL could come in. in the Novice case you could say that if there is a difference of 1.5X then the weaker PL would get a free escape chance before the battle starts. or...something along those lines.
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Kaji
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Well not to seem bitchy, but I personally feel that the ending was a little more than simply "disappointing".

Two planets were magic'd back, any and all surviving and possibly revived saga bosses just...disappeared? And we're moving on like it never happened?

It just seems to me that the new Saga feels...disconnected I suppose from what has actually happened. It's hard to express in words, but I feel like it doesn't really matter what we do in each saga. Every new saga is a "clean slate" so to speak.

What has Earth been going through since Foon's acts of terrorism? Is it putting something in place to defend it from future crazies and their super-powered space ships or are they just pretending it never happened?

Futhermore, how are the Saiyans, Changelings, and Majins handling the aftermath of the war? Why did the forces fade into nothing when the Saga was over? It just doesn't...feel like anything really matters once a new saga comes around you know? Due to that I'm sort of unsure as to how I should proceed with Kaji...I was really planning on doing more in the saga to the point where I am not certain how I should handle all of this.

You know?

Other than storyline-wise, I felt the last saga was just the bee's knees in terms of how everything was handled.
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Rosencrantz
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Aug 3 2009, 04:48 PM
Well not to seem bitchy, but I personally feel that the ending was a little more than simply "disappointing".

Two planets were magic'd back, any and all surviving and possibly revived saga bosses just...disappeared? And we're moving on like it never happened?

It just seems to me that the new Saga feels...disconnected I suppose from what has actually happened. It's hard to express in words, but I feel like it doesn't really matter what we do in each saga. Every new saga is a "clean slate" so to speak.

What has Earth been going through since Foon's acts of terrorism? Is it putting something in place to defend it from future crazies and their super-powered space ships or are they just pretending it never happened?

Futhermore, how are the Saiyans, Changelings, and Majins handling the aftermath of the war? Why did the forces fade into nothing when the Saga was over? It just doesn't...feel like anything really matters once a new saga comes around you know? Due to that I'm sort of unsure as to how I should proceed with Kaji...I was really planning on doing more in the saga to the point where I am not certain how I should handle all of this.

You know?

Other than storyline-wise, I felt the last saga was just the bee's knees in terms of how everything was handled.
I don't think you're the only one that feels that way (including myself). It was all very sudden and they had to scramble fast and my absence obviously didn't help. I would like to see something that ties up everything better before this Saga can really proceed. An interplanetary war is not going to just be over without grudges being held. Foon Saga, if I recall correctly, suggested that Earth was in the process of rebuilding from the damage and Aiden was charged with using the ship to protect the planet from further invasions. (Note - NOT GIVE RIDES TO KAJI . . . JERK).
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Aiden
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Hey, hey. Kaji snuck on board and was promptly launched out of an airlock when nearing Yardrat. And yes, storywise the Immortal has been "patrolling" when Aiden hasn't been in it so as to keep Earth safe. They turned it into a weapon against Earth into a defense for Earth. Given that Aiden's spent a great deal of time dead lately it's safe to say that it was around doing its job.

I do agree on the "clean slate" aspect from the latest Saga but I can assure you it won't remain like that. The first saga post was to set up the next saga. We're definitely going to be seeing some aftermath issues involving the various races. Have to give us some time to set it up is all given the disappearing acts some people have had lately.
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Rosencrantz
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Tomorrow I'll have something up to at least wrap up the last Saga and give some closure on things. I'm still clueless on this coming Saga but that's only until I can sit down with Dave and/or Gus and see what they had cooking. So, at the very least, you'll have something to wrap up the last Saga that's longer than a paragraph.
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Mateus
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Aiden
Aug 4 2009, 02:58 PM
Hey, hey. Kaji snuck on board and was promptly launched out of an airlock when nearing Yardrat. And yes, storywise the Immortal has been "patrolling" when Aiden hasn't been in it so as to keep Earth safe. They turned it into a weapon against Earth into a defense for Earth. Given that Aiden's spent a great deal of time dead lately it's safe to say that it was around doing its job.

I do agree on the "clean slate" aspect from the latest Saga but I can assure you it won't remain like that. The first saga post was to set up the next saga. We're definitely going to be seeing some aftermath issues involving the various races. Have to give us some time to set it up is all given the disappearing acts some people have had lately.
agreed. Murphy's Law did do a number on you guys as a whole. and i'm sure Kaji will find it in him to forgive you, it's just that with everything happening at once and so fast its normal to have ruffled some feathers along the way.

looking forward to that post Rosey! don't get me wrong, I love Gus' writing but there is something special when Jay takes the reigns to an story line.
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back to the suggestions discussion: same as i had posted above EXCEPT if your within the "PL range" for the boss your fighting, or if the boss is within yours, escapes are not possible. I'm suggesting this instead of Free escape before combat starts because it seems more realistic that way.
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