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Cabinet Meeting 15.0
Topic Started: 12 May 2015, 18:38 (1,112 Views)
Defwa
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So here we go again.

This time around, after criticism about the quiet cabinet, I'm going to try being a little whiny. As soon as I settle into the summer a bit I hope to begin working on a few amendments that I think will help with regional operation.

Increasing term lengths to 90 days, instead of 75. Considering our election activity and competition levels (though this one was an improvement mainly due to some overparticipation by one individual), I think a slightly longer term will improve the stability of the cabinet and improve our voter participation a little while making cabinet positions that much more desirable.

File the required paperwork so we can have a presidential puppet to speed up any future changes of power. Dealing with almost a month of endorsement trading is undesirable.

Finally, additional forum management rights for MoDA. SG will remain in charge of managing groups and their authorizations. It was my position during the last cabinet that our current forum set up is needlessly complex with nested subforums out the wazzoo, leaving many with very few posts and making the entire thing difficult to navigate and monitor. I think that changing this falls more readily into the purview of MoDA and this is one of the topics I will be especially TG spammy about.

Otherwise, new business? Old business? Bring it on.
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Oh I didn't notice. Technically, we still aren't, though :P
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The LSI, the refounded continuation of our former embassy region, the Labour and Socialist International, have requested embassies with us.

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We've also got two offers from what appear to be newly founded regions with less than five members between them.
http://www.nationstates.net/region=union_of_soviet_socialist_kingdoms
http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_league_of_sovereign_nations
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Could I please get the new list of potential Charter offenders? Thanks!
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I wanted to come here for a quick opinion question on my recalibration ammendment.

Kip- do you want your title to change? Its not especially important to me , I just find MoIRP a little annoying to say and thought I might get it out of the way, but your input (seeing as how its usually your job) is important.
Unrelated, we don't have an welcome telegram. Should we?

SJ, Borq- You made some mention earlier that the duties regarding out of compliance members was distributed oddly. By my reading it makes sense, MoJ doing both monitoring and expelling and SG changing population count and forum rights. If I'm wrong in that, or if it needs to be cleaned up, now is the time.
Unrelated, Klotechnia opening a new forum account because he forgot his password sounds a little suspect considering rumors around voter fraud in his background. If anybody notices any suspicious new nations or gibberish email addresses, we should be prepared (not that I'd expect it considering he's only running for MoFA this time).

Everone- having the President be the only person who can recognize an amendment or put it up to vote seems like something we should change. It is more in line with the SG's duties, but I'd like to look at either sharing the responsibility while maintaining that theoretical filibuster power. But SJ, you seemed to want to keep it in place while just removing the possibility to filibuster and while I'm not a fan of that, if we're just going to make it ceremonial, we might as well remove the need for recognition completely and just have authors putting their own work to vote then checking procedures after the vote.

There's something I'm forgetting, but I'll figure it out later. Pretty sure it had to do with South Jarvis? It's been a pleasure working with you all. My favorite cabinet yet :)
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My favourite cabinet too (definetely not just because im in it!)
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Defwa
13 Jul 2015, 05:43
I wanted to come here for a quick opinion question on my recalibration ammendment.

Kip- do you want your title to change? Its not especially important to me , I just find MoIRP a little annoying to say and thought I might get it out of the way, but your input (seeing as how its usually your job) is important.
Unrelated, we don't have an welcome telegram. Should we?

SJ, Borq- You made some mention earlier that the duties regarding out of compliance members was distributed oddly. By my reading it makes sense, MoJ doing both monitoring and expelling and SG changing population count and forum rights. If I'm wrong in that, or if it needs to be cleaned up, now is the time.
Unrelated, Klotechnia opening a new forum account because he forgot his password sounds a little suspect considering rumors around voter fraud in his background. If anybody notices any suspicious new nations or gibberish email addresses, we should be prepared (not that I'd expect it considering he's only running for MoFA this time).

Everone- having the President be the only person who can recognize an amendment or put it up to vote seems like something we should change. It is more in line with the SG's duties, but I'd like to look at either sharing the responsibility while maintaining that theoretical filibuster power. But SJ, you seemed to want to keep it in place while just removing the possibility to filibuster and while I'm not a fan of that, if we're just going to make it ceremonial, we might as well remove the need for recognition completely and just have authors putting their own work to vote then checking procedures after the vote.

There's something I'm forgetting, but I'll figure it out later. Pretty sure it had to do with South Jarvis? It's been a pleasure working with you all. My favorite cabinet yet :)
First: It's MIRP. (Minister of Immigration and Regional Promotion) I mean, who in the world uses MoIRP?

Second: The Welcome Telegram has never been my responsibility, but yeah, we should definitely have one. When did we stop having one?
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13 Jul 2015, 15:36
Second: The Welcome Telegram has never been my responsibility, but yeah, we should definitely have one. When did we stop having one?
The Charter has an answer to everything :) "The World Assembly Delegate shall with the Cabinet establish a welcome telegram to be sent to all new Residents."
The WAD should do it :)
Although, we might want to change this too, because in no way can I see why would the WAD need to do this. The President, maybe. The MoDA, perhaps. Also, possibly, the MIRP. We should make a poll about it.
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SJ, Borq- You made some mention earlier that the duties regarding out of compliance members was distributed oddly. By my reading it makes sense, MoJ doing both monitoring and expelling and SG changing population count and forum rights. If I'm wrong in that, or if it needs to be cleaned up, now is the time.
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Everone- having the President be the only person who can recognize an amendment or put it up to vote seems like something we should change. It is more in line with the SG's duties, but I'd like to look at either sharing the responsibility while maintaining that theoretical filibuster power. But SJ, you seemed to want to keep it in place while just removing the possibility to filibuster and while I'm not a fan of that, if we're just going to make it ceremonial, we might as well remove the need for recognition completely and just have authors putting their own work to vote then checking procedures after the vote.
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My favorite cabinet yet :)
Topic 1. Well, it's a bit odd that regular Residents are treated differently than Members of Congress, in the sense that the MoJ puts residents on probation, while for Members of Congress it's unclear: the MoJ gives notice of probation, and after that the SecGen imposes the probation period. I think the SecGen should have nothing to do with this.
So, we should simplify Subsection 3.1.3. Article 1, changing it from
If Members of Congress violate the requirements for Membership in Congress, the Secretary General shall impose a probation period of seven (7) days, beginning the day that the Minister of Justice gives notice of probation, in which the non-compliant Member of Congress may become compliant once again in order to be spared further disciplinary action. Failure by the non-compliant Member of Congress to become compliant within the aforementioned probation period shall immediately result in the loss of Membership in Congress for the non-compliant Resident and full suspension of that Resident from participating in Congressional activities, thereafter only being subject to the Conditions of Residency.
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If Members of Congress violate the requirements for Membership in Congress, the Minister of Justice shall impose a probation period of seven (7) days, beginning the day that the Minister of Justice gives notice of probation, in which the non-compliant Member of Congress may become compliant once again in order to be spared further disciplinary action. Failure by the non-compliant Member of Congress to become compliant within the aforementioned probation period shall immediately result in the loss of Membership in Congress for the non-compliant Resident and full suspension of that Resident from participating in Congressional activities, thereafter only being subject to the Conditions of Residency. The Secretary General shall enforce the aforementioned penalties, at the Minister of Justice's formal recommendation.

Edit for Topic 1: what I've written in a previous post seems even better than what I proposed above: "I think that we should redefine this somehow, so that the MoJ checks for compliance and imposes the probation periods, while the SecGen should formally take away the quality of Member of Congress from those that did not comply with the requirements, after the probation period(s), the same way as the President does the actual action of ejecting Residents who do not comply with Residency requirements, after the probation period(s), at the recommendation of the MoJ." So, I've added to the proposed change (text in bold and non-italic).

Topic 2. I think it's fine that the President can delay any change in law. The President may have good reason to do so (they are usually more informed than regular Members of Congress), and if they abuse this power, they will probably pay with their job, the next election. Also, it's quite similar to what would happen in a Presidential or semi-Presidential republic, so it's a normal thing. Let's just see it as a veto, without defining it as such. Or, sure, why not, we could define a power of the President to veto any change in law, but that would make the amendment more complicated, perhaps, and should be done separately, not bulked with other changes. Optimally, the SecGen should put legislation to vote, and the President should be able to veto it, in my opinion.

Topic 3. My favourite cabinet too, mostly because it was a very active one. Also, to be fair, there were previous very active cabinets (this is clear when you look at the forum history), but many of them before our time :)


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Phew, sorry everyone. My internet was down for the past few days, but I'm back now.

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