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The Communist International and Us!
Topic Started: 23 Jan 2014, 22:11 (1,115 Views)
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Recently, an argument that started in the Communist International broke out, and I happened to bring that up in the RMB.

"Some strange things going on in Communist International, a region who wants to build embassies with us."

After that, Parti Ouvrier, a nation from the Communist International came here, and I noticed it.

"Wait, Parti Ouvrier, weren't you a part of Communist International? I talked about them earlier and they did seem to want to kick you out..."

After that, La Republica Cubana Socialista, another nation from the Communist Interational, comes, and begins this long tirade about what went on and we should not make embassies with Communist International.

THIS IS A WALL OF TEXT.


Apparently some arguments and slander went over, and now the old argument is continuing, but now in DSA territory.

After, Nationstates Moderators get involved.

The Moderators


Later, we then find out Parti Ouvrier is actually also our very own Socialist Assembly Marxists!

"Can we just address something? SAM, do you or do you not control the nation of Parti Ouvrier?" -Terlibe

"Yes I do." -SAM's Reply

Since it seems like I was a beginner of this whole mess, I decided to clean things up and have this discussion on here.

I will update this to match new data.

UPDATES:

5:20 EST: I have introduced The Communist International into the discussion. I have sent my diplomat to listen from their side.
5:37 EST: Just look below this post.
Edited by Kiptoke-Ruselia, 23 Jan 2014, 22:37.
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Dear Comrades of the Democratic Socialist Assembly,

I'm sorry to have to post this here, but it's where the discussion needs to have its final say, as its the place where people judged me and misjudged my intentions, my pain, my personal sorrow at this issue. As it will be outlined, all the case will be made by the posts themselves in CIL, conducted with analysis of the reactions of other regions afterwards(not solely that of the Internationale)

My case as is outlined by posts in CIL:

It all started with a post by Proletaurus, who was trying to find his lonely comrade a mate: http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2656909
(my response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2657817
(Socialist EU/ aka Socialist Assembly Nations/ aka Parti Ouvrier response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2659403
(my responses [x2]) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2659862
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2659961
(Proletaurus response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2660282
(my response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2660321
(Proletaurus response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2660344
(Socialist EU responses [x2]) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2660770
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2660858
--Here would go the offending statement by [nation]New New Capston[/nation], the veracity and existence and harmfulness of which is attested to the by the continuing discussion over the next few days, as well as the telegrams and messages by Misley and El Rebelde, which are respectively as follows, presented of evidence of the statement and in contrast to the attempt to remove evidence by NNC when the issue was to be resolved by CIL Justice Ministry: Misley statement which includes the original text followed by El Rebelde which includes a Telegram sent to him after he spoke out about the issue, in which NNC admits 'he discovered the two easter eggs XD' and can thus be said, indeed, did intend for the comment to be ambiguous yet sarcastic and hurtful, not ironic as he later claimed:
Misley statement: http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840191 [NNC comment was: "It looks like that we've got rid of Neza because his animula vagula blandula was mistakenly hurt from a comment by EU, in which he just asked to be less emotional."] 'animula vagula blandula' translates to 'petty little vagrant soul' implying as he said, effeminacy, over emotional nature as a gay man, and other assertions, given that the statement was not in the context of love as had been originally when it was written by the emperor Hadrian of Rome for his lover Antinous, thus meaning it could only have been sarcastic, hurtful, and willfully ambiguous so as to defer speculation while still being able to throw a jab at my character and sexuality. I will provide more evidence for this in posts from [region]Gay[/region], in effect, those that weren't cherry picked by my rivals to malign me further as a victim of intolerance and what has with the inclusion of nazi leader Captain woodhouse, turned into a personal vendetta of cyberbullying and victim shaming in many NS regions, including this one.

El Rebelde Statement to CIL, in which he uncovers the truth about the incident, the strongest evidence in this document, being as follows:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2666463
the text of his telegram to El Rebelde read: A telegram sent to me by your WA Delegate New New Capston after I said he was homophobic on the RMB here:

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The Federal Republic of New New Capston

5 hours ago

Congrats, you decoded both hidden messages/easter eggs :D
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There you go, he admits he is homophobic and I was correct, with not so much as a denial. :)

He seems jolly proud of himself. Glad to "get rid" of someone he regards as a sexual deviant, probably. :)

Homophobics are probably homophobic because secretly they are of a certain orientation themselves and are so far back in the closet they are in Narnia conversing with talking Lions, or because they envy the fun gay people can have. :)

Sex, sex, sex, sexy, sexy, sexiness. love, love, love. Am I breaching your moral code at all? Is CIL all Edwardian now? :)

Never matter, I'm gone. :)

El rebelde


(Welsh Britain response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2666769
(Common Prosperity counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2667554
(Welsh Britain counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2667699
(Response by Socialist EU/aka Socialist Assembly of Nations/ aka Parti Ouvrier, completely misunderstanding the issue and bringing down the hammer of formalism and rigor to a personal issue) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2667711
(Welsh Britain counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2667827
(FPO partisans counter to NNC, and his sockpuppet Common Prosperity) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2670846
(Kinta Valley response on the issue) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2678274
(The Iron Column response in support of gays and against homophobia) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2678831
(NNC response: 'I wasn't being a homophobe, I was being ironic') http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2679251
(my response, after he had left claiming he'd be out of region for a while) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2679381
(NNC response, forgetting to take time off to better rub it in my face) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2679512
(my responses [x2]) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2679787
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2679904
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2679933
(my response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2679976
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2679998 (I was suicidal, which I posted on TI rmb because they were worried about me. This event still hasn;t left my mind, and still makes me tremble with indignation, rage, and sorrow)
(my response, appealing to the cabinet and the Justice Minister, still in office...still having done nothing, to act) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680008
(NNC response, making light of the disturbed and upset nature of my mind at the time, writing a quote about death in more 'sarcastic' and totally 'unhurtful' jest) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680017
(my response, countering the assertion that the statement was not homophobic, as it could not have been romantic due to the ill-will, therefore, by process of elimination, and there being only two interpretations, there can only be one conclusion, that it was a sarcastic, veiled insult into my 'over-emotional' nature as a gay man) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680059
(FPO Partisans response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680085
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680088
(my response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680133
(Socialist EU/ aka Parti Ouvrier/ aka Socialist Assembly of Nations, saying 'NNC, go the mods to get rid of big bad gay man who is being hysterical in our region, how dare he want his rights and dignity as a human being respected by his Comrades?') http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680169
(my responses [x2]) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680184
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680195
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680347
(Common Prospeity yukking it up and having a laugh at not using the word 'Nazi', as clearly we're so sensitive for pointing out homophobia) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680392
(NNC response, his respect for other peoples upset emotions, and his respect for the region itself, and his abominable sense of humor) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680396
(New Sloveniankia Post in counter to those two) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680422
(Common Prosperity, likewise like so many here, with the 'The Internationale is evil, who cares what they say, who cares if their members face actual problems we can empathize with RARRR!) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680489
(NNC having another laugh, 'calm down or they'll declare war on us :)!' ) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680548
(NNC turning it into an insider/outsider thing, and denying that CIL natives posted in my favor before) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680597
(Calski posting and refuting NNC assertions, calling for the removal and censure of then WAD Delegate NNC) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680693
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680713
(Common Prosperity accusing the members of government now, not just those he can call outsiders, that they are unfit for government if they point out homophobia) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2680754
(Free Socialist Canada response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2681889
(Common Prosperity counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2682282
(Welsh Britain counter, providing background of NNC's perspectives, vocalized time and time again, in CIL before I was there and during) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2683089
(Common Prosperity finally ceases to argue for NNC) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2683100
(Free Socialist Canada post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2683122
(Welsh Britain Post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2683223
(Common Prosperity post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2683262
(Comrade V Ming's post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2684830
(Common Prosperity being hostile to 'outsiders' yet again) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2685891
(Comrade Marxangrad's post in counter to NNC and Common Prosperity) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2686119
(Comrade V Ming response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2686613
(Socialist EU/ aka Parti Ouvrier/ aka Socialist Assembly of Nations, one of the few times ever saying he was wrong, in addition to a second post, where he calls me unfit for leadership because I don't have a strong enough grasp on Marxist dogma, yet fails to address the issue of an openly aggressive and homophobic WAD Delegate, and a capitalist as defense minister)
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2686658
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2686730
(me defending myself against he charge as unfit to be Minister of Commerce) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2686842
(Common Prosperity post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2688108
(my responses [x2]) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2688243
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2688351
(Socialist EU response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2688377
(Common prosperity again making it about regionalism v internationalism, again using the line so often used here to disregard their Comrades concerns, even the personal ones) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2688588
(FPO Partisans providing a counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2688890
(Common Prosperity spinning his wheels again, calling solidarity with a victim of homophobia, Red Imperialism) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2688963
(Forestarnya providing a counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2689262
(V Ming defends herself) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2689394
(NNC saying 'gtfo' not unlike those here...) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2689597
(my response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2690122
(Welsh Britain response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2695877
(V Ming response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2696066
(Socialist EU response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2698038
(Calski post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2754385
(-novoya rossiya- post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2761038
(El rebelde post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2777432
(Proletaurus post, asking me not to be angered by Common Prosperities now two week rant) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2777846
(my response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2777921
(Proletaurus post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2777979
(Comrade Marxangrad post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2782256
(Free Socialist Canada post, claiming 291 days ago action would be served, to this day I have not been contacted on the matter, prompting the ultimatum and forced shunning of the Communist International to which the CI emmigrated, so that the issue could be discussed anew) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2787233
After this, because NNC felt he had no support, as he likely still doesn't even in CI, or here except those predisposed to ignore every evidence to the contrary of his character and of their own consciences and responsibilities to it-NNC left around the time of this post.
40 days after initial incident, this response is given:
(post by calski) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2884431 (I never received a ballot, nor heard of any procedures in spite of being native and minister of government, and likewise, to this day, the issue remains unvoted upon, undecided upon by cabinet, nothing...has ....been...done...)
(2nd post by calski, as it happens, the only thing that did occur regularly on this memo was the Delegate election, but once again....no action on my incident of homophobia...) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=2889577
(I left CIL indefinitely after 10 -11 days because of the turning presence of DSA propaganda against the Internationale, and the siding of the capitalist defence minister with the points of the DSA, IN SPITE OF OUR red fleet being asked there by the delegate himself in TG form, and in spite of that we started to remove ourselves, though not without representing our opinions, and why the points amounted to not only what was unnecessary cold-war esque games of influence in CIL by Internationale and DSA, but the malignant effect it had on the former government, which was relatively active, and throughout the crisis of confidence, which merged into Communist International, again, not without reproach from yourselves because they choose to remove the embassy over issues of defenders aiding the fascist to defend their regions...In spite of our disagremeents between the cabinet members on the issue of TI forces being in region, I came back not soon after 2-3 weeks, to complete my term as MoC for CIL...)
(post by calski 187 days ago, Delegate got elected, but my issue was pushed under rug...) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3558310
(NNC post, who returns 154 days ago, to a situation as if nothing had happened) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3804301
(Capitalist defence minister(who despises me for being a Revolutionary Communist) Torchwood greeting NNC) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3807404
(Calski who promised action on the incident, or at least some official resolution, likewise greeting returning homophobe) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3810188
(NNC Post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3811688
(Noverkasp post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3814468
(Calski response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3814522
(Iconoclastic Carbon response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3819730
(NNC post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3819730
(Iconoclastic Carbon) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3819861
(post by Discoveria, former delegate of [region]Gay[/region], who at the time of the incident, and afterwards when NNC went to gay to ask for forgiveness {he was told he needed to do so by apologizing to me and causing that distress, yet the only post here against me was made by none other than the puppet of [nation]Suceavija[/nation], aka [nation]Askaya[/nation], who did not disclose that was him in Gay, not only jeopardizing an issue of solidarity between gay men over an incident of homophobia, but feeding into an endless personal vendetta on his part, still continuing to this day, and those of others in DSA leadership positions, to constantly discredit, hurt, harm or make null any possible relationship between THe Internationale members and the world outside of it. This is shameful of Suceavija, since he did not post his conflict of interests in the argument, but merely decided to crucify me because I never liked, and never will like, UDL head Unibot, nor the moral greylands you're willing to go to defend fascism, hatemonger and intolerant regions for the idealism of 'defenderism'. You prove that you let even game issues and RP BS get into the way of human issues of a gay man who was suicidal, extremly upset, and who all this time still hasn't forgotten your part specifically in disgracing the Internationale in Gay and myself along with it. It had nothing to do with intra-left rifts, but you made it so personal I will never consider you a friend or ally, so long as either of draws breath...})
Post by discoveria as follows/section on NNC's remarks and responses from GAY will follow at a later point in text: http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3819901
{In the post shown above, the delegate of the region himself agrees with me and agreed with me, and he can be produced to speak on my behalf as well, in case you want to paint this as an Anti-Internationale tirade against me for personal reasons, you will see the error in that assertion as other regions, specifically that which represents Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender people agreed with ME!}
(NNC posts [x2]) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3819920
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3819944
(Socialist EU/ aka Parti Ouvrier/ aka Socialist Assembly of Nations post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3820671
(response of DSA Ambassador to CIL) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3823901
(Socialist EU counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3824819
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3824864
(Socialist EU counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3824885
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3824909
(Socialist EU response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3824937
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3824946
(Socialist EU counter) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3824984
(NNC response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3825015
(Socialist EU) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3825027
(NNC) http://www.nationstates.net/region=communist_international_league
As you can see illustrated above, when confronted with the delegate of the region [region]Gay[/region] disagreeing with him, and when pushed into a corner about the inconsistencies of his delegacy and government, much like [nation]Socialist Assembly of Nations[/nation]/ [nation]Parti Ouvrier[/nation], he took the line of the only region so disposed to despise us malignantly and with a rancour without equal, in order to save face and at the time, gain support in your region because he was anti-TI in a moment where your government caused further rupture because of New Bazlantis' comments, as well as the rememberance of the raid on [region]Democratic Socialist Alliance[/region] former region where many came from in this region, which you raided, destroyed and defaced WFE, and perpetually harrassed into oblivion. For the airs that you gave yourself then, as now, as the moral of the two parties in the Left, we have never raided nor done anything like that to a Comrade region, you actually have. and the criminals, they hold cushy official positions here, and Unibot and New Bazlantis are able to make of what was once a dear friend and Comrade region to the Internationale years ago, into the plaything of defender moralistic absolutism...
(Socialist EU's most illustrative and correct point on the matter, as follows:) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3831677
(NNC post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3835102
[^ In spite of the fact of the above being known to you as not one of our nations, since you had an ambassador, and I'm assuming, from a distance kept yourself apprized of the internal politics of the Communist International League, Suceavija and others sought to use that as ammunition to foment further unrest and unruly attitudes of hate and discord between TI and DSA, fully knowing that the nation in question was not oneof ours, but a homophobe and an opportunist...Don't deny that it happened, I remember reading the bru-hah-ha here when the incident occured, no one here took the time to investigate, just like they didn't investigate before dismissing my allegations of a hate crime/intolerance off hand because of stupid, made up, impermanent game politics. I hope NOW you all can understand the truth, and that the new people in region know this of the higher levels of the DSA government, which never seem to change beyond the small clique that arbitraily despises the Internationale for its anti-fascist stance and for taking out fascist regions, which they'd prefer to defend, and for speaking up against homophobes, whom they'd likely prefer to defend the freedom of speech for before take a stance that is morally consistent with their supposed progressive socialist perspective of equality.]
(The Westland post on NNC's theatrics) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3837892
(NNC responses [x2]) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3837914
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3838914
(my post, now 149 days ago, still asking for a resolution on this issue, and still wanting an end to NNC manipulating the CIL and being there, everpresent, as if to mock me...) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3839113
(Inferior Jooorbs post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3839617
(my response) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3839810
(The Westland provides further evidence and background for my position) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840191
(NNC, backtracking yet again) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840312
(The Westland counters) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840360
(Socialist EU post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840415
(The Westland) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840443
(Socialist EU) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840449
(NNC post) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840547
(Socialist EU calls for action on NNC) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840619
(NNC's telegram to Misley, and his reasoning for hating me displayed) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840682
(another telegram, in which NNC admits to Misley his reasoning for using the insult he did, the very nation which immortalizes the thing itself, [nation]Animula Vagula Blandula[/nation])
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3840813
The telegram and message reads as follows, I will highlight where he does say, in contrast to his recent apology on this very board! that he did it for a reason, and purposefully, this is strong evidence, not only that it was a comment directed by homophobia, but that the CIL knew about it for 100 plus days, and likewise still did not remove him, censure him, or ever take an official positon,a nd not only that, but that I'm NOT CRAZY< I WAS RIGHT:
I received this reply from NNC, who has asked that I share it:

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Thanks for your response anyway.
Anyway, my message in a nutshell (and please post that at CIL RMB too) meant:
I have nothing homosexuals. I took advantage from Neza being homosexual as he would be vulnerable to a seemingly anti homosexual comment. If Neza wasn't homosexual, I would have found something he was to insult him with it. He just happened to be homosexual instead of, say, being fat.
NNC
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(post by justice minister Free Socialist Canada, 150 days after the original incident, and still no action, and still can't decide on what's true or not, even when the man's own word belies his hostility) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3841017
(post by Inferior Joorbs) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3841061
(post by The Westlands) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3841851
(post by Free Socialist Canada) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3842282
(post by Free Socialist Canada) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3842322 (In the like as the other times he asserted on behalf of the CIL that a resolution would be reached....again...nothing....)
(post by Torchwood, making light of the very grave and serious concerns not only about homophobia being allowed to slide, but about fash appeasal) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3842951
{148 days ago, the region was raided by the Greater German Reich, and an assorted collection of other fascist regions, thereby throwing egg in the faces of those in CIL cabinet who sided with yourselves and your dogmatic defenderism which precludes any genuine solidarity, humanity, or friendship and disgust towards hate and intolerance, but the thing happened very much as it should have, although, I provide these following arguments to note the attitude of the raiders towards NNC, one even remarking that NNC/Capston 'ought to give it up, EVEN I know you are full of BS'}
(post by Bogachiel, nazi raider) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3844865
(post by NNC, welcoming them, as he had in the past with a previous coup against the CIL led by Ravineworld) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3844916
(post by Bogachiel, unusually enlightened Nazi raider) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3845062
(post by Free Socialist Canada, because ass-rape is funny, it happened to me twice, once in street when homeless, once in prison, neither time was it funny, neither time did I 'want it'. Careful reading that, it may indeed force you to think differently about rape humor, and gay men's issues in a straight man's world, where being girlish is funny XD lulz)
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3846019
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I read what you posted before you deleted it Torchwood, in which you basically blamed Comrade Cas for making CIL a target and accusing The Internationale of bullying CIL. :)
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(when there was nothing to be done, and the Red Fleet came and saved them anyways, who did they blame for their troubles? The Internationale? Who did they support then in their massive campaign of distortion? The DSA? What did it bring them, misfortune and insecurity, as none of the residents had enough natives to muster a decent force, but tehy followed your lead instead with the give a hatermonger a platform/trade trivial jokes with them/defend them to the death mentality of the ruling cabal here...)
(Socialist EU post, after liberation by The Internationale >_<) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3850922
(Socialist EU second post, in which he urged the movement to the Communist International, which they did shortly afterwards) http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3851013
[keep in mind that when the move happened, this region maligned the entire thing, despite not being able to liberate as supposed defenders a region under seige, one they'd had embassies with, one they supposedly cared for. I find it curious that in the heat of the moment, your philosophy fails as it does to hate in real life, because it does not take action, and it prefers to cloister itself in its vain sophistires and idealistic pacifism and bourgeois and fascist appeasal...even to this day...even as Unibot has crawled out of the grave yet again to control the destiny of the entire region...even as the same group of people, not 1, not 2, not even 4 years later, are the same officials and persons, merely rotating offices and maintaining much to the disservice of new nations to DSA, the illusion of a constant warfare against the intolerable Red Imperialists and raiders, but never actually achieving any solidarity, defenses, or work on behalf of the Left, merely ostracising more and more of it, and belittling thier genuine concerns, whether political or actual as in this case of homophobia...]

I would include the posts of support from [region]Gay[/region], that my enemies overlooked for purely political reasons of character assassinations, and not mention though I can, and produce likewise the delegates of ten different regions, of varying communities of size yet all noble institutions of the Left in NS, so that the question can be asserted more vigorously if need be, and by those whom you can't tarnish as a 'mad, hysterical, invader'. I had a point, I made my point, and the recent actions of the Communist International, a year almost after original incident, and the work of those regions who likewise opposed them and cut embassies of their own accord being convinced of the intolerance, inattention, and disregard for the citizens right's of the region, they too can bolster me. I am not alone! My Voice is NOT ALONE! I spoke out against this injustice and I'm off, forever, never to grace this region with my presence but setting the record straight.

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So...in other words....is this all the times he was being bullied or (is that the wring term)
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You asked for a case that suited your demands for rigor, since your citizens disregarded me off hand and called me names, instead of offering to hear or listen, to what was a personal issue they involved themselves in politically through the support of NNC whilst delegate, through repeated villainization of myself and TI mates more than they do fascists or capitalists, and for the amount of hate and disrespect I got for something that is of very grave concern to people who ought to be socially progressive and egalitarian. I hope that argument is cogent enough for the lawyers of the DSA, I don't expect any sympathy regardless, as the older players here can't let anything go, and the newer players in region never question the historical narrative, the reasons for the split between TI and DSA, and the reasons for so much hate and antipathy immediately...

To respond to the poster above, this is every piece of discussion related to the homophobic incident, tangentially related to the DSA as the nation with the homophobic slur still resides here without being ejected or confronted, as former CI delegate who resigned in disgrace Socialist Asssembly Nations/Parti Ouvrier came here to seek support in the only region I knew would oppose me no matter what, and wouldn't even hear my argument without calling me a 'snake in the grass'.

I hope this not only illuminates the nature of Left regional disputes, but also the problems inherent in centralized leadership like yours and the CI/CILs in which a cabal of people run the region forever, and issues of greivance or disturbance are never addressed for convenient reasons.

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I don't really have time to read through all of Cuba's posts or all of the discussion but there is one point where Cuba does have a legitimate grievance. The nation Animula Vagula Blandula apparently now resides in the DSA for some reason. I'm not sure if anybody else has noticed it (I only just saw it myself) but it seems to be the reason why Cuba is here.

I know some of the details of the fights between Cuba and Capston from my time as ambassador to CIL and that phrase in Latin is at the heart of it. I don't know who created that nation or why, but it was no accident. Somebody wanted to use it to probably fan the flames of the argument or who knows what reason. I don't have the time to investigate it since I have to go to work soon, but that nation is most certainly not a legitimate nation of some new player. So we get to the next problem: the fact that its now here. I don't know why the person behind it moved it here but we should ask that person to remove it, and if they refuse we will have to have it ejected. It is the element that is causing the current mess on our RMB.

It would take a lot to get me to call for a nation's ejection, but this is just one such situation. That nation was created exclusively to annoy Cuba and it has no place in the DSA. If they refuse to leave voluntarily then a trial will probably have to be organized, but we will have to pursue an ejection.
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You asked for a case that suited your demands for rigor, since your citizens disregarded me off hand and called me names, instead of offering to hear or listen, to what was a personal issue they involved themselves in politically through the support of NNC whilst delegate, through repeated villainization of myself and TI mates more than they do fascists or capitalists, and for the amount of hate and disrespect I got for something that is of very grave concern to people who ought to be socially progressive and egalitarian. I hope that argument is cogent enough for the lawyers of the DSA, I don't expect any sympathy regardless, as the older players here can't let anything go, and the newer players in region never question the historical narrative, the reasons for the split between TI and DSA, and the reasons for so much hate and antipathy immediately...

To respond to the poster above, this is every piece of discussion related to the homophobic incident, tangentially related to the DSA as the nation with the homophobic slur still resides here without being ejected or confronted, as former CI delegate who resigned in disgrace Socialist Asssembly Nations/Parti Ouvrier came here to seek support in the only region I knew would oppose me no matter what, and wouldn't even hear my argument without calling me a 'snake in the grass'.

I hope this not only illuminates the nature of Left regional disputes, but also the problems inherent in centralized leadership like yours and the CI/CILs in which a cabal of people run the region forever, and issues of greivance or disturbance are never addressed for convenient reasons.

Of course there was a time when I wondered about DSA, but having got to know them they are in fact a nice bunch of people as far as I can tell and I've come to the conclusion that this is the best the left has to offer in NSG. The thing is, even though we've had heated exchanges, I feel the DSA residents are genuine. I reject the notion that they're a cabal, besides, this is still a game and a region is not the same thing as a real life government or party, (its foolish to take this so seriously), it is not a movement either, as Marxingad on the CI RMB contends. Also, at least comrades here are elected and accountable, TI's and the other bunch of anarchists are not, they have leaders in a so-called leaderless region, but whether you choose to recognise it or not, there are what I would call leaders in TI.

My other issue with TI, as I have said before is that they have 1. consensual decision making which gives a veto to a minority, 2. They insist on voting in every situation and issue,(direct democracy/referendum) which was a favourite method of Bonaparte because it leads to crude results.

By the way, as an edit, I'm inclined to agree with comrade Grobladonia. That nation may be a fascist or anti-communist exploiting the situation and using it as a tactic to weaken/destabilise left regions, but I can only speculate, I don't think we should get paranoid about it, it could be anyone, even a sympathiser of NNC.
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I am quite satisfied that NNC was being homophobic with those statements. I have to agree that removing Animula Vagula Blandula should be done. The DSA is no place for people to come to antagonise other players, and Cuba is clearly distressed by this person, since he went to all the trouble of compiling this.

However, I'm not too impressed with some of the slurs you have brushed the DSA with, Cuba. Apart from the fact that a lot of it is inaccurate and unfair slander, but even from the point of view for your own self interest, it doesn't help people accept your argument. However, I can understand that you are angry, and can sympathise with you there
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You asked for a case that suited your demands for rigor, since your citizens disregarded me off hand and called me names, instead of offering to hear or listen, to what was a personal issue they involved themselves in politically through the support of NNC whilst delegate, through repeated villainization of myself and TI mates more than they do fascists or capitalists, and for the amount of hate and disrespect I got for something that is of very grave concern to people who ought to be socially progressive and egalitarian. I hope that argument is cogent enough for the lawyers of the DSA, I don't expect any sympathy regardless, as the older players here can't let anything go, and the newer players in region never question the historical narrative, the reasons for the split between TI and DSA, and the reasons for so much hate and antipathy immediately...

To respond to the poster above, this is every piece of discussion related to the homophobic incident, tangentially related to the DSA as the nation with the homophobic slur still resides here without being ejected or confronted, as former CI delegate who resigned in disgrace Socialist Asssembly Nations/Parti Ouvrier came here to seek support in the only region I knew would oppose me no matter what, and wouldn't even hear my argument without calling me a 'snake in the grass'.

I hope this not only illuminates the nature of Left regional disputes, but also the problems inherent in centralized leadership like yours and the CI/CILs in which a cabal of people run the region forever, and issues of greivance or disturbance are never addressed for convenient reasons.

Of course there was a time when I wondered about DSA, but having got to know them they are in fact a nice bunch of people as far as I can tell and I've come to the conclusion that this is the best the left has to offer in NSG. The thing is, even though we've had heated exchanges, I feel the DSA residents are genuine. I reject the notion that they're a cabal, besides, this is still a game and a region is not the same thing as a real life government or party, (its foolish to take this so seriously), it is not a movement either, as Marxingad on the CI RMB contends. Also, at least comrades here are elected and accountable, TI's and the other bunch of anarchists are not, they have leaders in a so-called leaderless region, but whether you choose to recognise it or not, there are what I would call leaders in TI.

My other issue with TI, as I have said before is that they have 1. consensual decision making which gives a veto to a minority, 2. They insist on voting in every situation and issue,(direct democracy/referendum) which was a favourite method of Bonaparte because it leads to crude results.

By the way, as an edit, I'm inclined to agree with Groblania
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You're again proving incapable of seeing beyond the veil, this is all a result of many complex situations, some of which were succored and aided by the membership here, do I have to trawl your RMB too to get you, possibly newer members, to know your TRUE history?

How about focusing on the issue of Homophobia as Grobladonia is, instead of turning this into the Hate the Internationale for arbitary sh-t hour...you understand there is aline between the political and the personal? Well Suceavija himself crossed that line in Gay when he posted that venemous invective you all have on your RMB.

Until the nation that is made as an insult is removed, I will not cease from defending my argument here, but I will not further post on your RMB, since you all seem to come too conclusions too quickly, some so quick that I know they couldn't possibly have read through all the RMB posts or the messages, just knee jerk 'f-ck Cuba' mentality coming into play, like I expected.

I seriously hope some of you newbies question your goveernment, instead of just being swallowed into the facetious saccharine nature of your community but not the intrigues underneath, and secondly, that you desist from criticizing anti-bureaucratic forms of management, because we live and love and fight, we don't live to make laws, to talk about the weather, to talk about dead pets, but we confront evil, malice and intolerance, and ignorance every day, we never relent, and never will, as Internationalists and as human beings, to know that we are the paragon region of the Left in spite of our not having your bloated numbers here.
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I am quite satisfied that NNC was being homophobic with those statements. I have to agree that removing Animula Vagula Blandula should be done. The DSA is no place for people to come to antagonise other players, and Cuba is clearly distressed by this person, since he went to all the trouble of compiling this.

However, I'm not too impressed with some of the slurs you have brushed the DSA with, Cuba. Apart from the fact that a lot of it is inaccurate and unfair slander, but even from the point of view for your own self interest, it doesn't help people accept your argument. However, I can understand that you are angry, and can sympathise with you there
This is why I am very cynical of Cuba to begin with. From the very start (http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=845534) this is the approach he has taken to everything: either agree with me and tow the party line or we label you as class traitors! This is something I and other have been subject to, and something that he has reinforced, repeatedly, over the course of a couple years. So when he begins again with long-worded rants and framing a situation in such a false-dichotomic way, I can only suspect his intentions in the same way as the story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf."

As cruel as that sounds, I am not unsympathetic to his particular situation. There is some validity to what he is saying. Obviously someone created that nation to draw attention to the conflict between NNC and Cuba, but whether the intentions are strictly negative, I can't be certain. Judging by its post (http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5127066), it looks to me as if they are trying to defend NNC, rather than slander Cuba. Although, I can see how that may be interpreted differently. If someone took an accusative tone towards me, I'd become defensive.

What I really don't understand, though, is how removing the nation will diffuse the longstanding tensions between NNC and Cuba, or any residual negative feelings. Us removing the nation from the region is not the same as moderators from removing the nation from the game. It will still exist for Cuba to see, just somewhere else. If Cuba really wants to overcome these looming reminders and achieve a sort of catharsis, he will have to do so in a way that may not be so instantly gratifying. And that means confiding in someone he can trust. Which is never easy.
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This is why I am very cynical of Cuba to begin with. From the very start (http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=845534) this is the approach he has taken to everything: either agree with me and tow the party line or we label you as class traitors! This is something I and other have been subject to, and something that he has reinforced, repeatedly, over the course of a couple years. So when he begins again with long-worded rants and framing a situation in such a false-dichotomic way, I can only suspect his intentions in the same way as the story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

As cruel as that sounds, I am not unsympathetic to his particular situation. There is some validity to what he is saying. Obviously someone created that nation to draw attention to the conflict between NNC and Cuba, but whether the intentions are strictly negative, I can't be certain. Judging by its post (http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5127066), it looks to me as if they are trying to defend NNC, rather than slander Cuba. Although, I can see how that may be interpreted differently. If someone took an accusative tone towards me, I'd become defensive.
I do think Cuba could have approached this more tactfully. But, for the reasons he outlined, we know he was offended, and I guess that is why he is acting defensively. The fact that the person is here and we are seemingly doing little about it (and the fact that CI/CIL didn't do anything about NNC for about a year), has probably made him frustrated, and he's taking it out on us, since it seems to him that people are indifferent to injustice against him (which I hope we'll prove him wrong on). For this reason I forgive him.
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What I really don't understand, though, is how removing the nation will diffuse the longstanding tensions between NNC and Cuba, or any residual negative feelings. Us removing the nation from the region is not the same as moderators from removing the nation from the game. It will still exist for Cuba to see, just somewhere else. If Cuba really wants to overcome these looming reminders and achieve a sort of catharsis, he will have to do so in a way that may not be so instantly gratifying. And that means confiding in someone he can trust. Which is never easy.
I don't think he even thinks that. The reason is purely to affirm that the DSA stands against the antagonising on the part of Animul...aenc3qrbq - whatever, no matter whether or not the victim is someone we have had disagreements with.
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