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| Putting the foundations of a left-defender organization | |
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| Kryftland | 24 Mar 2014, 02:07 Post #31 |
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Here was comrade Socialist Space Republic's plan for a Left defender organisation:
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| Soviet-Commonwealth | 5 May 2014, 01:38 Post #32 |
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Beyond defensive measures, can we move towards limiting the powers of fascist and right wing powers without becoming more agressive? If the coalition is for defence, what is the offensive variation of this force? |
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| Grobladonia | 6 May 2014, 17:19 Post #33 |
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The offensive variation involves attacking founderless fascist regions, ejecting all the natives and transforming them into trophy regions. This is done in an attempt to deny fascists a platform for their ideas in this game. However many of the major Fascist regions at the moment have active founders which makes them practically invulnerable to attack. Of course just about any region can become founderless, either because the founder chooses to leave the game or because they got in trouble with the mods and had their nations deleted. So it can take quite a while for a fascist region to become vulnerable, if ever. Also, nothing can stop Fascists from founding new regions to call home it is basically an endless and pointless fight that mostly centers around smaller regions. So long as fascists IRL exist and come into the game fascism will be present here. This organization intends to take a different approach. Instead of denying fascists a platform it is intended to secure one for the left in all its many incarnations. I believe that this is a much more sound strategy in the long run, given the nature of game mechanics. |
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| Misley | 6 May 2014, 19:33 Post #34 |
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As both The Red Fleet and The MT Army have shown in the past couple of weeks, even regions with active founders can be vulnerable to invasions - TRF invaded five fascist regions with active founders, and The MT Army is still holding a bronze-level member region of the Right Wing Uprising with support from the Fleet and other Antifa forces. Offense does not always mean taking regions as trophies. The repeal of the Liberation of Nazi Europe enabled the right wing on NationStates to finally remobilize their WA forces, and the effects of this can be seen at Liberal Haven, where the RWU has entrenched forces that have stolen and passworded a vulnerable region, and even in The International where we were hit by a tag raid -- the democratic nature of socialist and communist regions means that we generally have executive WA Delegates, while fash regions typically don't. This makes us vulnerable to tag raids even where we have active founders. Keeping an active offensive military forces the fash to devote WA resources to reclaiming regions that we strike, meaning that we can have more of our own resources focused on defense. |
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| Grobladonia | 8 May 2014, 10:42 Post #35 |
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True, even regions with founders can be vulnerable, but I disagree that it ties up the WA endorsements of the fash since regions with a founder need only wait for the founder to log in and restore order. Most of the time there is no need to organize a liberation. The region that the MT Army still holds is the exception, not the rule. So I would actually counter that it actually ties up the endorsements of the left for a task that more often than not has no tangible long-term effects. It can only serve to strike at the enemy's morale, and even this is limited. As you point out Fascist regions do not require an executive WAD and can easily ensure that another tag raid cannot be made for months if not years to come, meaning that they can recover their morale in safety. Edited by Grobladonia, 8 May 2014, 23:47.
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| Misley | 9 May 2014, 00:22 Post #36 |
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Striking at the enemy's morale can be beneficial to us, though. I was resolved to strike back after the tag raid on TI because the left has been stagnating for months and we have desperately needed a refresher. The MT Army's raid on FIU and the Red Fleet's five-region raid sparked activity and renewed some interest in the raider/defender game among the left. I disagree that raiding ties up endorsements of the left. No leftist regions have been raided to my knowledge during the MT Army/Red Fleet raids, and if any are, it is easier to mount a defense against these as we can also call upon "apolitical" defender allies such as the Lazarene Liberation Army. Regardless, the full capacity of The Red Fleet was not engaged in our raid, nor are they currently engaged in ongoing operations. Even if a region is raided, it is easier to pull WA nations off a long-term raid (as many raids are) to a defensive operation where there are natives to endorse or antifa sleeper puppets with large amounts of influence ready to activate as a defensive WAD. |
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| Soviet-Commonwealth | 9 May 2014, 12:52 Post #37 |
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Is their any official forum or region that makes home for the left-defender group? I think if your going to create a left defender group it needs to be truly united and heavily organised. Thier are already many small scale defender groups cropping up which will pull some power away from a larger force. Although not very democratic, a region used for both a safe haven for socialists regrouping after a raid and also a power house to aim at any right wing powers would need to have a founder only leadership. |
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| Grobladonia | 9 May 2014, 15:09 Post #38 |
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Currently the discussions are taking place on The Red Forum. Feel free to join. ![]() Edited by Grobladonia, 9 May 2014, 15:10.
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