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Proposal to ammend the embassy criteria
Topic Started: 8 Jan 2014, 01:23 (918 Views)
Grobladonia
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So which tier would be the worst, tier 1 or 3? They all look just as bad for me.
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(I can see why people are suggesting reorganizing the forum – it took me ten minutes to find where this requirement was hidden)

I have a proposal to implement a Ratateague-style system, in which nation categories are assigned an exponentially scaling score for their adherence to DSA Regional Principles, from 1 (Psychotic Dictatorship) to 8 (All allowed nation categories). In this way, an Iron Fist Socialist is not weighted the same as a Psychotic Dictatorship.

I'm making some graphics now…
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I agree with the tier system, except Capitalist Paradise and Corporate Bordello are even allowed to be in the DSA since they have high enough civil and political rights
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15 Jan 2014, 00:14
(I can see why people are suggesting reorganizing the forum – it took me ten minutes to find where this requirement was hidden)

I have a proposal to implement a Ratateague-style system, in which nation categories are assigned an exponentially scaling score for their adherence to DSA Regional Principles, from 1 (Psychotic Dictatorship) to 8 (All allowed nation categories). In this way, an Iron Fist Socialist is not weighted the same as a Psychotic Dictatorship.

I'm making some graphics now…
Wouldn't the worst be corporate police state, since they have as few civil rights and political freedoms as a psychotic dictatorship, but are uber capitalist as well :P
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15 Jan 2014, 00:16
Wouldn't the worst be corporate police state, since they have as few civil rights and political freedoms as a psychotic dictatorship, but are uber capitalist as well :P
Psychotic Dictatorships, Iron Fist Consumerists and Corporate Police States all have a score of 1 in the system, as the DSA Charter does not seem to distinguish between Capitalist and Socialist.

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Categories marked with purple dots are prohibited categories. Thus, it would appear that the Charter distinguishes categories by their standing in Personal and Political Freedom, not looking at Economic Freedom (strange, seeing as we are the Democratic Socialist Assembly). Now to the weighting:

  • Psychotic Dictatorships, Iron Fist Consumerists and Corporate Police States all have a score of 1 (2^0), because they have terrible Personal Freedom as well as terrible Political Freedom.
  • Authoritarian Democracies, Moralistic Democracies and Right-wing Utopias all have a score of 2 (2^1), because while they have terrible Personal Freedom, at least they have some Political Freedom.
  • Similarly, Corrupt Dictatorships, Father Knows Best States and Compulsory Consumerist States all have a score of 2, because while they have terrible Political Freedom, at least they have some Personal Freedom.
  • This system continues, giving Tyrannies by Majority, Conservative Democracies, Free Market Paradises, Iron Fist Socialists, Libertarian Police States and Benevolent Dictatorships a score of 4 (2^2).
  • Finally, all categories fully in compliance with the DSA requirements have a score of 8 (2^3), regardless of whether their Political or Personal Freedoms are average or good.

Thus, using data from the NationStates API (or manually), the compliance score of each nation in a region can be calculated, and the region can be given an average compliance score, which can be used to determine embassy requirements. (eg, all embassy nations must have an average compliance score of 6 or higher).

EDIT: I've made a small Java program to calculate the compliance score of a given region: https://gist.github.com/RunasSudo/8429011
The DSA scores 7.79, VF scores 6.34, the SLU scores 7.88, the UDLS scores 7.47.
By comparison, the Union of Free Nations scores 6.07, while The Communist Bloc scores a low 5.08.
Edited by South Jarvis, 15 Jan 2014, 01:12.
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Well then, that is quite a system you put together, Jarvis!
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Grobladonia
14 Jan 2014, 23:46
So which tier would be the worst, tier 1 or 3? They all look just as bad for me.
Tier 3. They all have ominous sounding names, but Corporate Police State is the polar opposite of Left-Wing Utopia.

According to an NS Wiki copycat: Iron Fist Consumerists is the equivalent of Fascism, and yet somehow Corporate Police State (State Corporatism) is even more right-wing than that. ^o) So... Laissez-Faire Nazism?



Also, I love what you did there with that graph, and the coding, Jarvis.
Edited by Ratateague, 15 Jan 2014, 01:48.
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I'd say that transforming the number of nations on the prohibited list from a mandatory to an optional criterion would be the best way to go about this. The problem with your idea is that with the WA categories being so vague in nature, it will be extremely hard to reach a consensus about what should go into which tier. Everyone will perceive each category in a slightly different way.

With my idea we could keep that criterion around, be we would also have the option to disregard it of we found enough reasons to do so.
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I fully support Grobladonia’s idea that WA categories should be dropped from the list of mandatory embassy criteria. Many players don’t answer issues in a serious manner, so it is completely unwise to use it as a way to determine the real nature of region.

In DSA the list of prohibited categories serves as a way to maintain the RP character of our region and as a symbolical demonstration of our loyalty to democratic principles, but it is unreasonable to expect from other regions that their communities will use the same method to express themselves. Embassies are very important, so we should judge other regions for their real qualities, not for their RP. After all, DSAll also uses similar list, but unfortunately this does nothing to save it from authoritarianism.
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Perhaps we should do a regional pole on whether or not to make it a suggestion other than a requirement?
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