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| Adding two tags; A proposal to include the Eco-Friendly and Communist tags to the region | |
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| Solent | 29 Jan 2014, 22:24 Post #31 |
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For a Revolutionary Socialist Assembly!
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I don't have a major problem with either a communist or anarchist tag. Or indeed liberal, for that matter. I am a Marxist, but generally think that a broad left is a better left. One thing it might be good to consider, however: It seems that many of the people who identify as communists (as opposed to socialists), on NationStates, are seemingly attracted to the intolerance and militarism of Stalinism, rather than the idea of a classless society or universal human freedom. They might not be quite such a good fit for a region with such a democratic ethos. |
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| Jack Steiner | 1 Feb 2014, 02:10 Post #32 |
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I don't have an issue with those who identify as communists (as opposed to socialists), on NSG, I think you're oversimplifying when you say they are seemingly attracted to Stalinism, I think it is more of a mixed bag myself. Anyway, I have major reasons to object to a 'broad left' swamp, TI should serve as a warning of where it leads, like interesctionality for example. Also, have you seen the way the TI debates and the underhanded way they debate and behave, they really are exasperating I don't want DSA to become a poll of attraction for their irrational, shrill, nonsense and I'm sure for the sake of all of our sanities, including TSJI, none of us want encourage that shit. I want nothing to do with them to be honest, they specialise in making people feel shit, Which says a lot about themselves I think. If we're open to the left, adding a communists tag should be uncontroversial, sure we might have a few soft Stalinists come here, but from experience, anarchists are bloody troublemakers and a disingenuous pain in the you know what. SAM |
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| Solent | 1 Feb 2014, 20:01 Post #33 |
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I may be oversimplifying. However, of the regions which explicitly identify with either communism or anarchism, I don't believe the majority are actually guided by a seriously thought-out philosophical or political basis. In the case of 'communism', it seems to be Sovietology taken to an extreme, whereas 'anarchism' points towards an amorphous but rebellious attitude. Perhaps I'm being unfair, but that's just been my impression. Given the references to 'the swamp' and intersectionalism, I'm guessing you're a Weekly Worker fan. ![]() (It suddenly occurs: There should be a sub-forum for non-game political debate and discussion - unless it already exists and I've missed it!) Anyway, as I said, I don't have a problem with any of the labels. Using tags as a way to make the DSA more visible to potential members is a good idea. But I don't think you can limited or police who is attracted by those labels. It's just something to think about. For instance, I assumed by 'socialist' the DSA meant a fairly orthodox definition, but evidently many people of social democratic and even social liberal views were attracted by the name also. The same diversity will necessary apply to use of communist or anarchist tags. |
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| United Republic of People | 3 Feb 2014, 03:49 Post #34 |
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I say yes to both |
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| Grobladonia | 8 Feb 2014, 00:26 Post #35 |
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I would largely support adding the liberal tag for the most part. From what I have seen over the years (US) Liberalism is not a truly leftist ideology, judging by the actions of prominent individuals who describe themselves through that label. In the same manner,I don't think modern social-democracy is truly leftist anymore and that is the closest European equivalent I know of. However, leaders and politicians aside, many of those who tend to vote or at leas support Liberal candidates seem to sincere leftist ideals, so marking this region as friendly to those who describe themselves through that label would be a good step. Also, SAM does have a point. If we try and have too broad an appeal then we risk diluting a key part of our regional identity. I don't think that adding the Liberal tag would do that, but that is about as far towards the center as we can go. @Riasy: I think a combination of the Socialist, Communist and Liberal tags would best describe this region, rather than Anarchist, Communist and Liberal. |
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| Gervase | 8 Feb 2014, 01:13 Post #36 |
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I agree with your conclusion, Grobladonia. Since the tags are primarily a way to attract like-minded nations rather than defining any sort of "official ideology" for the region, I think it would be a good idea to spread our net a bit wider. |
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| Solent | 9 Feb 2014, 10:41 Post #37 |
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In that case, the same should apply for Anarchists. |
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| Grobladonia | 9 Feb 2014, 11:21 Post #38 |
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The big problem here is that many have voiced their opposition to that tag, both through posts in this thread and through the poll I attached to it. |
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| Solent | 9 Feb 2014, 11:34 Post #39 |
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Not denying that. Just saying, the same logic applies to anarchism as to liberalism. |
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| Riasy | 13 Feb 2014, 19:16 Post #40 |
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Naturally I haven't mentioned Socialist tag only because we already use it. Opposition to authoritarianism and imperialism are very important values of DSA, and among all ideologies the Anarchism takes the most uncompromising stance against these things. Unfortunately, in history the words Communism, Democracy, Liberalism and Socialism were actively used to whitewash imperialistic wars and authoritarian regimes, so I believe that Anarchist tag will express our opposition to these things better than any other tag. And of course its use will emphasize our openness to all kinds of anti-authoritarian leftism. |
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I want nothing to do with them to be honest, they specialise in making people feel shit,
Which says a lot about themselves I think. 


12:15 AM Jul 11