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| The Sexy Sexualty Census of the DSA; Shocked to have found that no such thread yet existed, an optional census where people escape closets. | |
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| Diederick Antonius | 9 Dec 2013, 17:04 Post #1 |
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So, here it is. The first (really stunning fact) thread asking you what gender of people you really, REALLY like. Of course there is no pressure, no need to answer anything or ever visit this thread again (you are here now, aren't you?). I employed the Kinsey Scale of Sexual Behaviour in the poll at the top of this thread, because I like how it doesn't look at what people prefer to call themselves, and rather asks what people find themselves doing/feeling. After all, no one can make an infallible list of all different sexual orientations and explain all of their definitions, because people will never have enough labels to identify their infinite diversities. Oh, feel free to elaborate in a response, or (for instance) discuss how this is still labelling people and therefore evil. The kinsey scale is also easy to explain, using this graphic: Gender-biased slightly exciting version, which may be NSFW though certainly PG13: Read up on the origin of the Kinsey Scale using that wonderfully helpful but also infamous resource: Wikipedia. His findings were quite amazing, considering most people put the average of homosexual people on a mere 5-7% nowadays. Now remember kids, this is about people loving other people, so no bullying or being angry. Happy thoughts! This thread was inspired by a similar thread over at our friends', the Social Liberal Union, forums. Edited by Diederick Antonius, 11 Feb 2018, 12:56.
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| Horgr | 9 Dec 2013, 17:35 Post #2 |
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Either 0 or 1, I have never had a homosexual fantasy or any sort of arousal for the sake of a male, nor do I really understand anyones attraction to males. However, I dare say that it would be possible for me to, under the correct circumstances find a male attractive, though the circumstances would appear to be extremely rare, so probably, I should say around 0.1, if the scale were not comprised of discreet integers. I think the position that puts me into is rather a rare one, if I am correct not many people are exclusively into one gender or the other. There is another interesting model for this, though I can't remember it's name, that plots eroticisms on each axis, of two, I know there is a three axis one too, but I don't know much about it. On the X, the two axis model puts Heteroeroticism, and Y Homoeroticism. I think that makes asexuality the Origin point, I don't know if there is any negative score on the axises. |
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| Diederick Antonius | 9 Dec 2013, 17:57 Post #3 |
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I agree that it is generally thought that many people are not on either extreme (exclusively heterosexual or exclusively homosexual). Considering my own position, I have to say I can join you, though it is on the other end of the sexuality spectrum. I have never felt attracted to women. I did, for a short while, consider the possibility of having a romantic relationship with a woman; but I gave that up when I started to come out (to myself, first). Concerning the axis model, it is possible to conceive many variants. Besides the two obvious variables of attraction to gender (or heterosexuality/homosexuality), you could add an axis for sexual drive, attraction to haircolour, or income, or age, and so on. I once did one on sexuality and age, to aid in a discussion of paedophilia. said image
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| Lemur Isles | 9 Dec 2013, 18:01 Post #4 |
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I guess I can vary between 2 and 4, so I went with 3. Both sexes are capable of allowing you to feel pleasure, and a good companion could potentially come from either. Everyone should just be bi
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| Diederick Antonius | 9 Dec 2013, 18:24 Post #5 |
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Women are far too different from men to make for good partners. It's unnatural if you ask me. Everyone should be gay, and make the world a much happier place. Without war, for one... Considering prevalent ideas on sexual diversity, specifically the 'sexuality spectrum', almost everyone is at least a little bi. But things like that are hard to prove with actual scientific evidence. Also, perfect diversity going on here so far: Straight - 1, Bi - 1, Gay - 1. Edited by Diederick Antonius, 9 Dec 2013, 18:26.
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| Suceavija | 9 Dec 2013, 19:31 Post #6 |
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I had just been discussing this earlier in [region]Gay[/region] ![]() Considering I can make out (snogging/kissing only) with a woman on a dare and not feel dirty, ashamed, or physically ill, I wouldn't say that I'm at a 6; but it's hovering right on the border of 5 or 6, for me. It's been several years since the dare; but I wouldn't consider myself any more or less willing/able to do the same at this point I am not however sexually attracted to or stimulated by women. I certainly can recognize and appreciate sexuality and sexual attractiveness of women, but it's like a scientific observation only, if that makes sense; hence my score of 5.As for the loaded imagery and terminology used in both Kinsey graphs presented, I will just say that I find them insufficient in their own ways; though I don't think you're "evil," Diederick I think it's good to discuss these things to enlighten people to the broad spectrum of sexuality that exists; and there needs to be a foundation for the discussion at some point. The kinsey scale is a far better place to start than shoehorning people into Gay/Bi/Straight boxes, IMO, as is so often the case.I'm curious as to how the graph from the pedophilia discussion was derived. By older and younger, are these terms tied to a specific number (like the age of majority) or are they tied to perceptions of age or maturity based upon some other metric? For instance, if one person is 17 and attracted to other 17-year-olds, is that person a pedophile because 17 is below the age of majority, or are the terms relative based upon the age difference or disparities of someone's perceptions of physical/mental/emotional/intellectual maturity between person A and person B? Edited by Suceavija, 9 Dec 2013, 19:43.
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| Horgr | 9 Dec 2013, 19:34 Post #7 |
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As a breif aside that is kind of relevant. I came across a venn diagram a while ago, used in social sciences studies of sexuality. I think it was on wikipedia, so probably in the article for andropheilia or gynophilia. It provides another interesting way to display sexuality. ![]() It was on wikipedia, that's it above. And the article is: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androphilia_and_gynephilia The system I was vaguely referencing before was Storm's sexuality axis, mentioned in the wiki article that you originally linked to. ![]() |
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| StJames | 9 Dec 2013, 19:59 Post #8 |
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Now I don't necessarily object to the concept of labels. The entire point of language is to facilitate communication between individuals and sometimes simple labels can do a great job of facilitating that communication. However, sexuality, romance and behaviour are notoriously complex and often defy simple labelling. I think this video does a great job at explaining how we could take the simple terms we have and use them in a more complex way. If I were to classify myself using the system in the video, I would be of the male sex and gender, sexually bi (though leaning more towards the hetero side of the spectrum) and romantically and behaviourally hetero. This, of course, leads me to believe that the Kinsey scale is rather inadequate. While it can do a great job a indicating one axis of human behaviour and identity, it fails to incorporate all three. But if I had to pick a place, it would probably be a 1.
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| Herrebrugh | 9 Dec 2013, 20:08 Post #9 |
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Never liked girls (in a romantic way, anyway; girls are alright ), and started liking guys from about my fourteenth/fiftheenth or so.So I suppose I rank all out gay on the Kinsey scale. Edited by Herrebrugh, 9 Dec 2013, 20:09.
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| Haltari | 9 Dec 2013, 22:56 Post #10 |
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I think I would be either one or between zero and one. I definitely like girls sexually, but I think it would be unfair for me to say that I'm 100% straight because of course I can admit that guys can be good-looking. I'm not attracted them sexually at all, but I'm definitely more comfortable around them. @Suceavija Responding to your question at the very bottom, I would have to say that it is a little bit of both. It is definitely tied to perceived levels of maturity that have developed over the length of human existence. In the past, men and women were expected to take on more adult roles earlier on (like men going to war at 15-16 and women having children at 12-13), and so our current standards are still fairly similar to that even though now it is closer to 18. However, it is still based on age differences as well because even though we only stop developing in our mid-twenties, most people would probably view a 25-year-old dating a 17-year-old as taboo or even pedophilic. Lastly, I don't think anyone would consider 2 17-year-olds together as pedophiles, although you bring up a good point that that does present somewhat of a logical issue. |
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