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Internet Piracy
Topic Started: Dec 3 2008, 08:01:58 AM (281 Views)
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Internet Piracy is increasing rapidly with the growing popularity of The Pirate Bay (http://thepiratebay.org) after several lawsuits filed by anti-piracy companies. TPB is now bigger than LimeWire could ever hope to be, with ~25 million peers on their tracker at any given point in time (yes, even at 3am). Hosted in Sweden, and perfectly legal there, TPB continues to laugh in the face of the MPAA.

Now some say this is extremly wrong, that piracy is stealing. Im about to prove to you that it is NOT stealing, however morally wrong.

Lets say you have an apple. I walk up, take said apple from your hands and walk away with it. This is stealing, and is wrong. Now, say you have another apple, and I walk up to you again. This time however, I make a perfect "copy" of this apple, there now being two. I walk away with my apple, leaving you with yours. Did I just steal? Didnt think so.

If you still say piracy is wrong, think this over. Artist do not make money form CDs. Its the truth, the music companies make the CD money. How do artists get rich and buy awesome cars? Concerts. So next time you download a CD, dont forget to buy a concert ticket as well.

STILL say piracy is wrong? Ever share your friends music via a burned CD, Flash Drive, or IM? Congrats, youve just commited piracy, and now youre a part of the family.

The latest Piracy info can be found at Torrent Freak, the largest torrent news blog with 469,000 people in the RSS feed alone.
http://torrentfreak.com

Im all for piracy, how about you?

Well heres the feedback I got from someone else,
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As you mentioned that you're not stealing from the artist, but you are stealing from the company that produced the material! By "Pirating" it instead of bying it you take money out of the pocket of those companies that would have otherwise gone to produce more product at at reduced price because they can afford to reduce said price thanks to your money! By "Pirating" it you are responsible for the high price of everything, Thank You!

Furthermore had you bought it instead then companies wouldn't have to Layoff so many workers when the economy is bad, You're putting people out of work! Why? Because you want Free Songs!

No, "Piracy" is not ok! You're ruining peoples lives because you want free songs and movies! You're putting companies out of business!

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Companies are not rising their prices because of piracy. They earn money from piracy, actually.

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“Anti-Piracy” is a multi-billion dollar scam which employs hundreds/thousands of people and makes the rats on the top of the chain very very rich. As an example, the RIAA has so far sued around 30,000 people of who thousands have settled for an average of $3,500. As we don’t have the exact numbers let’s say unlucky number 13k settle (we are sure the figure is much higher, estimates put it close to 22k)… that’s around 45.5 million dollars they have recovered (add 400 mil from the Napster settlement as well), now since they are supposedly fighting for the artists, logic states that this money should be distributed among the artists? But since we are talking about the RIAA, throw logic aside.
None of this money has reached a single artist nor will it ever as according to the RIAA after deducting legal and operational costs there’s really very little to give back… and did you see it? POOF!! Tens/hundreds of millions have disappeared!

http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2008/11/18/an...than-you-think/



So, theyre making money from people that dont pirate, but are scared to standup in court and settle. Is that fair? No. Keep reading, none of that goes to the artist, nor will it ever. Hows them apples?

"Furthermore had you bought it instead then companies wouldn't have to Layoff so many workers when the economy is bad, You're putting people out of work!"
Name 5 people who have been laid off as a direct result of piracy, and ill name 15 who have been given jobs as lawyers, defence attornys, and collection agencys. How about that? Its true, piracy creates more jobs than it takes.

"No, "Piracy" is not ok! You're ruining peoples lives because you want free songs and movies! You're putting companies out of business!"
No company has yet to go under due to piracy. It actually generates MORE hype about a product or software. And wait a second now, why does software like PhotoShop cost money in the first place if GIMP is OPENSOURCE and works just as well, with just as many features? Odd.


So, again, what do you personally think?
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If you still say piracy is wrong, think this over. Artist do not make money form CDs. Its the truth, the music companies make the CD money.

It's not really "that" simple. Artists MUST get royalties from their songs, especially if they wrote their own music and lyrics. In Australia, music is intellectual property. If one person in a music group writes the lyrics, then they receive half the royalties, because the lyrics is that one person's intellectual property. (Eg: John Lennon wrote a lot of Beatles songs, so he received a lot of royalties.) The other half is for the actual music. If they whole group contributes to composition, then the royalties for the music is split between them. If one person of the group composes the music, then they get the royalties for the composition.

This is actually the case with covers as well. The law for this basically goes, if you perform somebody else's song (such as John Lennon's "Imagine," which he both wrote lyrics for and composed), then you would need to pay him all the royalties (even though he's dead.) =/ The copyright lasts until 50 years after the LAST copyright owner dies. So, if you want to perform Imagine and not pay royalties, you'd need to wait until 50 years after John Lennon's death, but for a song that is copyright to "The Beatles," you need to wait until 50 years after the last Beatles member dies.


Though there are those annoying pop singers who neither write lyrics nor compose. They don't receive royalties, because they don't own the copyright.


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This time however, I make a perfect "copy" of this apple, there now being two.

Yes, but the apple doesn't have any copyright attached to it. (You can't copyright the shape of an apple, as it's just a natural thing.) Music/Movies and such have "Intellectual Property" attached to them, because it is somebody's intangible idea, but it belongs to them. You purchase movies because the person who created the idea of the movie has let you. They have not let you create "a copy." Creating a copy IS stealing. You're not stealing the product, as the product isn't where the property comes from. The property is in the idea. Making a copy is stealing the idea, not the product. There is no "idea" in an apple, so a copy of an apple is not stealing.

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So anyway, I just explained that piracy IS stealing.


Though I don't "support" piracy, but I do it anyway. (Yay, hypocrite!) Why? It's cheaper. There are other things to spend money on, like groceries and such. :P
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I don't support "piracy" at all.
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I usually buy the Cd's I download. Only if they're good enough.

Or I download Cd's I usually can't ever find.
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Well, I don't pirate, however my uncle is pirates movies that are really old.
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If I want to support the company / developer / other, I'll buy their product. Simple as that.
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Agreed with squirrel. Most company do not deserve the revenue.
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I illegally download TV shows purely because they don't air here for another 6 months.

TV networks screw us over, we screw them over - simple as that. And I was gonna torrent Rock Band but the game was way too big for the average PS2 game (over 7Gigs, PS2 games are normally around 3 or 4). And I needed a double layer disc which I didn't want to get. Also the fact the game has drums, I was angry that I was waiting a year for it.
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I don't pirate anything. I just buy things with my hard-earned money. Arrrr!
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I've downloaded a few songs off the internet before.. nothing much. I don't really think much of piracy. So some over payed celebs aren't getting payed everything they apparently should.
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Pirating probably helps keep the prices lower, because why would people buy these things for expensive prices when they can get them free?
Regardless, its morally wrong. You are making an illegal copy of someone elses' property... Of course, everyone does it. XD

Often if I only like one song by a certain artist, I will download it. But if I like several I will buy their album.
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I don't really care for the companies and businesses that over price their material for the public anyways ... In some ways I feel that the people that pirate the material are holding a balance of price from these businesses and companies. Once they see that their sales are going down so does the price which is a win/win because now more people will actually buy the product (More than likely the people that don't know ow to pirate and couldn't afford it prior) and the companies and /or businesses will still get the revenue needed to build their business and not the CEO/Owners new condo in Hawaii ....:P .... I'm all for it and give advice to my friends on how not to get caught :P (Not saying I actually do it ;) )
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I download ds games and play them on my DS. Am I a crook?!
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My mature opinion on internet piracy is that until great companies like Microsoft don't lower their prices, we'll still be on downloading warez from the internet. Isn't that simple? lower your prices in 3rd world countries and you'll have more customers, if not, you're in a way or another supporting internet piracy. No more.
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Lowering the prices won't help because people will still be choosing free over cheap.
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But it feels better to have it in physical form rather than a download.
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I'm a torrentfreak user haha, until they lower their prices...
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I think if the prices are reasonable, people will be willing to pay them. Most people prefer to do the right thing... The reason piracy is so big is that everyone just says, 'everyone does it'. If the prices are lower, more people would buy tere music / tv shows/ software and that culture would change and it wouldn't be as common.
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