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| The right to own guns | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 27 2008, 11:26:06 PM (407 Views) | |
| balooneybob | Jun 28 2009, 12:16:28 AM Post #21 |
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The right to live trumps the right to bear arms!! |
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| elseb | Jun 28 2009, 06:15:57 AM Post #22 |
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| Boss Jr. | Jun 28 2009, 10:38:54 AM Post #23 |
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People don't kill each other because of guns! People have been killing each other since the beginning of humanity. The native americans went to war with each other all the time in giant blood baths where not a single gun was present. And Europe was even more brutle about it, fostering some of the worst war mongers in history including the Roman Empire, Genghis Kahn and Alexander the Great. Kahn ruled the largest empire of all of them with only the Bow & Arrow at his disposal. Murders don't happen because of guns and that's a cheap excuse for people who are afraid! Now onto my second point. The Constitution should NEVER be taken away from because they start by taking our guns then they take our freedom of speach then what? Then suddenly none of our rights have any bearing on modern society? If we let them take even the slightest little bit of our freedom then the next thing you know, they want it all! Our rights are alwayse valid even 1,000 years from now. There are people who died to give us these rights and by simply letting them be taken undermines everything they fought and died for! I for one will not let their deths be in vain! If you let even one of our rights be over ruled even once or allow your rights to be exchanged for even one second of safety then you don't deserve any rights at all! Edited by Boss Jr., Jun 28 2009, 10:41:25 AM.
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| fantanoice | Jun 29 2009, 12:59:53 AM Post #24 |
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Boss Jr, that is a very narrow minded response. You're trying to justify killing people because others have killed people. We know this is wrong, so why let it continue? Just because not everybody who is killed/manslaughtered by guns doesn't mean they should stay, because people still get killed/manslaughtered by them. Besides, you're talking about rights that were implemented hundreds of years ago. The times have changed. How about stop complaining about losing the 'right' to carry a weapon you don't even need and save your country a couple of lives?
Then why carry a gun for 'self defence'?
LMFAO! Edited by fantanoice, Jun 29 2009, 01:03:17 AM.
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| SuperBowser102 | Jun 29 2009, 08:12:02 AM Post #25 |
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Fanta's post FTW! |
 
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| DrunkenSquirrel | Jun 29 2009, 07:28:35 PM Post #26 |
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Despite the narrow-mindedness of his post, he is partially right. People will still kill each other, even without guns... And guns provide a much quicker death most of the time. |
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| fantanoice | Jun 29 2009, 07:35:15 PM Post #27 |
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Ah well, everybody's going to die sometime anyway. *Shoots everybody in the thread* >=D But yeah, there's still going to be murder/manslaughter without them, though getting rid of them may reduce the number of instances of it. |
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| Boss Jr. | Jun 30 2009, 10:13:45 AM Post #28 |
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The most common forms of unnatural death are Heart Attacks and Car Accidents. You're more likely to be killed by a shark bite than you are by a bullet. You're more likely to be killed by a lightning strike than a shark bite. You're more likely to be killed my a bee sting than a lightning strike. Lets outlaw Bees, Lightning and Sharks! The top killers of children are Hot Dogs, Hard Candy and Grapes. More people die in swimming pools than by guns. What about police? They kill 11x more innocent people each year than occur in homicides. Should we take their guns away? Not all guns are for self defense. Most are actually owned my licensed hunters (not to be mistaken with poachers) who have the lowest mortality rate as a result of guns of any other demographic. The department of justice recently stated that legal gun owners protect their lives, homes and safety over one million times per year, far more than the number of gun related deaths. Would we leave over one million people defenseless each year? In the Bill of Rights it states our rights are for "posterity", which means "forever", not until someone arbitrarily decides they are not valid! I didn't write that, the people who signed it wanted it in there so that we would always be free! Most gun related crimes are committed by criminals. We should inforce the laws instead of punishing the people that obey them. |
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| SuperBowser102 | Jun 30 2009, 04:07:37 PM Post #29 |
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I question a lot of those statistics.
Where the hell did you get this figure?!
Ok, if you want to hunt, have a rifle license. You don't need handguns and high powered assault weapons to kill a deer. |
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| fantanoice | Jun 30 2009, 08:21:23 PM Post #30 |
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No matter what kind of statistics you put against it, you can still be killed by an idiot with a gun.
Irrelevant, but I doubt that's the case in Aus... not that I've studied it.
Yes, that's a good reason to have a gun. I think even Australian's are allowed guns to shoot pests and such. I don't care for that so much.
They're dead now, I doubt they're going to care. <_<
Crimes committed by criminals? I never would have guessed. 
Evidence please? There are other defences than guns as well. What happened to the good-ol' baseball bat? |
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| Boss Jr. | Jul 1 2009, 05:37:20 AM Post #31 |
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Really? You're willing to believe that gun owners are the bad guys without a shred of evidence just because that's what they say on T.V but let us try and defend ourselves and suddenly we need reference material for everything we say? It doesn't matter that you have more reason to fear a bowl of grapes than you do a gun? And idiots with weapons is your argument? What about the droves more people killed by an idiot behind the wheel of a car? We licence people to do both but I don't hear you trying to take peoples cars away. http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/deaths.htm I have one more but the URL won't work. It states that Firearm related Homicides are #20 in the top 20 leading causes of death in all age groups including both gender and all races. Barely above HIV. Which means that you have 19 other things that you have to worry about before guns. The number of gun related homicides came in at barely over 12,700 in a country of over 250,000,000 people. Which is 254 per state (if averaged out) in the whole year, which is not even 1 person a day (per state) nationwide (including New York and L.A) (A.K.A. less than 50 people a day nationwide). Compare that to the number of people that die as a result of Heart Disease. Now factor in the first document document I provided. Edited by Boss Jr., Jul 1 2009, 06:44:53 AM.
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| DatGuy | Jul 2 2009, 02:52:50 PM Post #32 |
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Well I read the first few posts, and will read the rest later. IIRC You have the right to bear arms, but for a valid reason and owning one for self defense against other people does not count as a valid reason. This also goes for knifes too, unless you are camping in which you would then need knife for self defense. I should research this Right a little further. |
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| Boss Jr. | Jul 2 2009, 03:46:52 PM Post #33 |
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My point above goes further but I ran out of time. So if it seems unfinished or half baked that's why lol. I'll be back with the rest of my stats and info to finish my point. |
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| fantanoice | Jul 3 2009, 02:30:42 AM Post #34 |
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I get what your saying Boss Jr and you are right, people who intend to use them for justifiable reasons should be allowed to have them. It's mainly the 'self-defence' gun laws that I despise. <_< It's like buying a car as defence against getting run over by a car. O.o |
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| Boss Jr. | Jul 3 2009, 05:18:52 AM Post #35 |
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Again, I don't think that's why. The point I'm trying to make here is simply taking guns away isn't solving the problem..... you're just taking the tool! People don't kill each other because they have a gun, they kill each other because they want to. I think in a situation where two people have a gun that they are less likely to shoot each other because neither one wants to get shot. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1818862/posts Please read this article. (I'm still looking for my other data, which I have now lost lol) |
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| SuperBowser102 | Jul 3 2009, 08:25:26 AM Post #36 |
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Ok, fair enough. People don't kill each other because they have a gun, but rather because they want to. But it sure as hell makes it easier. In a fit of rage its much easier to grab the gun and pull the trigger than to do anything else. But alas, this is pretty much a never ending argument. |
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| Boss Jr. | Jul 3 2009, 09:50:21 AM Post #37 |
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I don't think it makes it easier. Did you read the article in my above post? Everybody there has a gun. If guns made it so easy wouldn't they have the highest murder rate in the world? |
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| SuperBowser102 | Jul 3 2009, 03:53:19 PM Post #38 |
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Hmm.. well, not gonna lie, that is kinda fascinating. I doubt it'd be the same case for urban developments. Still, quite interesting. |
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| fantanoice | Jul 3 2009, 07:28:41 PM Post #39 |
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Wow, I have to admit, that's pretty astounding. Though I think (but don't quote me because I'm not 100% sure) New Zealand has similar gun laws to the US but their gun violence is about as low as Australia, which has them outlawed. I guess there's always an exception. =/ |
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| Boss Jr. | Jul 4 2009, 07:13:19 AM Post #40 |
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Actually you're both right. In another article I posted earlier it states that most gun violence comes from people that were convicted of crimes prior to their obtaining a gun and that the people that are most likely to shoot each other are drug dealers between the 18 to 24 age group (because they drop out of school to deal drugs full time). So if we want to reduce gun violence shouldn't we start with keeping our kids in school and off of illegal substances? Most of all of the guns used in violent crimes are obtained illegally. It's been proven that a person who takes a hunter safety course is less likely to shoot someone. I am proud to say that I am one of the youngest people to have ever taken a Hunter Safety Course in my state  (well I was when I took it anyway). I was 7 at the time, I'm now 22 and I've never had a single incident with a gun.If we want to reduce gun violence we should start with educating the gun owning population. And teach them like I was tought.... that violence is a last resort and your greatest weapon is always your brain. |
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