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| Submitted for the Approval of the Midnight Society; I call this story... | |
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| Topic Started: Mar 11 2008, 02:32 PM (556 Views) | |
| Persona | Mar 11 2008, 05:35 PM Post #11 |
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Eater of zombie toast and licker of zombie stamps
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Looks very nice. Good job here. Personally, I've little problem with PG-13 content. |
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| Rounin Nagasaki | Mar 11 2008, 05:47 PM Post #12 |
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Rated R - Parental Discretion is Advised
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Yes, but that's what makes me a prick and you not such a prick. >_> Fine, I GUESS I can prove my point.
A) Oh, so there's never been such a thing as mass reproduction? It seems to me that in the yugimonz world that the Destiny Heroes would be far to valuable to keep at one copy per. It seems to me that the Destiny Heroes, aside from possibly Plasma, would all be mass produced at some point. It seems to me that things like htis problem could be explained with logic, and if logic were to be used, it would easily prevent logical inconsistencies, don't you agree? B) You would be right here. However, this also tests a player's innovation and their creativity. In my case, my deck building is not at all limited. In fact, it puts me to a far greater test than I normally would have. I'm forced to find a machine based strategy that can excel in the current format. Believe me, that's no easy feat, but you're looking at it the wrong way. By forcing a player to build a certain type of deck, and making it SUCCESSFUL, that really puts players to the test, even when they're on my level. =D C) I didn't choose Ryo for his respect, or for how he was loved. I chose Ryo because he is my personal favorite character from GX, but also because he seems like he would be fun to RP. See, Ryo is an extremely unique RPing experience, in my opinion. His head is actually rather difficult to get into when you're actually trying to do so. Using a cannon like Ryo helps me to improve my RPing ability, as well as my deck building technique. You also fail to realize, Ryo hasn't graduated yet. He transfered to Crimson Wind, so he really wouldn't necessarily be all that well known, and no one would really have to pay too much attention to him. D) Yes, but a character who is unique doesn't force me to get inside of the head of a character who's personality is already set. Don't get me wrong, RPing normally can be a challenge, but when you're forced to innovate, and forced to think like a character who already has a set personality, it only helps me to improve my ability to RP at a higher level. I'd type more, but I have to get off now. |
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| Demitri Reyveirnacus | Mar 11 2008, 06:12 PM Post #13 |
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'Impossible' is just a word the weak use to make themselves feel better.
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AND THE CROWD GOES WILD! *Thunderous applause* Nicely done Billie. ...On a side note, I miss that show. It, among other things, was so much better than the nonsense that's on now. ;_; |
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| Billie Hatcher | Mar 11 2008, 06:22 PM Post #14 |
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a) I'd agree to an extent. In the Yu-Gi-Oh canon, there are plenty of "valuable" seeming cards. The Gem Beasts, the Toons, Blue Eyes, Sacred Beasts, etc, and we COULD say they were mass produced, but then again, that'll just open up new sorts of problems. If we're going to argue the "could haves" then we really just leave the door open for any kind of possibilities. b) I won't argue your skills here, however there is absolutely nothing restricting you from creating a successful Machine Deck as "John Smith". If we use the previous Judai example, the one thing restricting Judai from saying: "Scrap it. I'll make a Macro Monarch deck." is that he is Judai, and the person RPing as Judai will never gain any experience with any other kind of deck. c) I never explicitly named you, nor was I even thinking of your character when I was writing that line up. I'll admit that Ryo is a compelling character, however the whole "he transfered to this school" then conflicts with the canon. d) I feel like the situation is reversed actually. As a character who already has a set personality, all his moves can be pretty much figured out. He's typically cool, calm and collected. Second of all, his character's growth is limited without falling into illogical inconsistencies. Edit: This isn't proper debating BTW. It's not supposed to be "Point, counterpoint, counterpoint, counterpoint, counterpoint etc.". The name of the game isn't "Debunk Everything Billie Says to Win". I mean, we could play this little game of tennis until we get 100 pages, but that won't get any of us anywhere, it'll just prove we're both too thickheaded to concede defeat. I know there are plenty of counters to what I say, and plenty of counters to what will be said, and counters to that one, etc etc. Me and you both know the other side is not going to give up... for the most part. However, let me explain my thought process when coming up with the rule. When I was writing it down, I did not start with "Canons should not be allowed! *thinks for a minute* ... And here's why!" On the contrary, I thought to myself: "Canons should be allowed because... uhh... well... oh dear... I've got nothing." Coming with no logical "pros" for the side, yet coming up with a handful of cons (which I admit, can be countered, and those counters can be countered, and those counters can be countered etc.), I could only come to one logical conclusion. I'll concede the point if we can get a good solid "Pro" Canon Characters Section going. (inb4 "debating is serious business". >_>) Edited by Billie Hatcher, Mar 11 2008, 07:09 PM.
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| Rounin Nagasaki | Mar 11 2008, 10:24 PM Post #15 |
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Rated R - Parental Discretion is Advised
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Debating is point to counter point until the opponent can't counter your point anymore. O.o Oh, and I'm pretty sure that my objections were actually stating the pros that you seemed to have taken for cons. <_< If you want pros other than those, I must say that I'm at a loss for them right now, though I must say that my counter points were actually turning yours into pros, and should really be taken into consideration, since you yourself agreed, and most likely know that I can counter your counter to my counter (Too many counters @_@). Can't we just agree to strike that rule? >_> Srsly, is it worth all the fight that I'm going to put up to make it gone? <_< *Doesn't intend to stop any time soon* >_> |
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| Billie Hatcher | Mar 11 2008, 10:34 PM Post #16 |
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Your only pros that really seem to stand are to improve deck building skills by limiting yourself and to improve RP-ing skills by getting into the mind of a character. Limiting your deck building can also be accomplished by any other character, so that argument falls. Improving RP-ing skills, you MIGHT be able to argue however, I don't think you can empirically state as a fact that every single person would be able to improve their RP skills just by RP-ing as a canon character. Also, any kind of "getting into their head" thing can be accomplished by RP-ing as pretty much any other character. In fact, I think it might be more of a challenge to create a character like Ryo from scratch. Also, I'm sure most of the people who know me know that I don't typically back down from stuff I believe is right. >_> Edited by Billie Hatcher, Mar 11 2008, 10:34 PM.
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| Kratos | Mar 11 2008, 10:42 PM Post #17 |
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Blame your fate
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ugh. Just let him be ryo. This isnt the GX academy anyway, he canonically has nothing to do with this storyline except that he's in it. He's simply a cool character with a particular decktype. No different from me being Kratos. Kratos is a canonical character, but for tales of symphonia. It has nothing to do with yugioh, I just took the character and personality and used it. I dont see a problem with it, assuming people can be responsible with it. Using a canonical character would, of course, require a lot of approval as well as I would say a vote by the council. |
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| Rounin Nagasaki | Mar 11 2008, 10:43 PM Post #18 |
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Rated R - Parental Discretion is Advised
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Yes, but other characters have less restrictions when it comes to building their decks. See, when I want to build a deck for a character I designed, I can have them turn heel and be a totally different character. They can then use whatever deck I decide is right for them. Ryo has decks for his occasions, and they must stay within certain restrictions. Seriously, your argument right there is what fails. XD Not at all. See, your typical RP character is more a reflection of one's self, more than anything, or who that person would want to be. Yet that person is free to choose how that character would act in certain situations, making it less difficult to get into that particular character's head. See, in my career choice it's going to be essential for me to learn to think as others would think, rather than having total control of that character. See, if I have to conform to rules set into place about the character that offers me less flexibility, but it helps me to learn to adapt for later writings. You seem to think that this is possible by using any character, but quite honestly, you're wrong. You have no idea how much more difficult it was more me to RP Ryo than it was for me to RP Rou. If I use my own character, my Rping can improve in word choice and the like, but it won't improve in understanding of character design and character thought. See, being able to understand character thoughts will help me to better understand, and easily further character development. I think that allowing a cannon, at least in my case, would be a much better decision than trying to take it from me. See, to me, it's not really so much about the cannon as it is about learning better writing technique and learning more about being inside a particular type of character's head for when I take up a career in writing later in life. This is my reasons for wishing to maintain Ryo, at the very least. Oh, and you should know that I'm not the type to back down when I believe something is right or wrong either. <_< |
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| Billie Hatcher | Mar 11 2008, 10:58 PM Post #19 |
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I believe my argument still stands. It's called self control. If you truly want to define your deck within certain parameters, you should be more then free to do so. Any character can use the decks Ryo had for his occasions. How do you come to the conclusion that my argument fails? This is just turning into a circular argument now. >_> (In that, we are both just repeating the same points, only worded differently.) I'm not entirely sure about the "reflection of one's self" argument. Some people may RP that way. However, I know that just having a canon character is not the only way to expand one's writing style. Sure, you may inject some of yourself into any character you create, however the situation is the same for all characters you play. Even actors inject some of themselves into whatever characters they portray. However, I honestly can't see how you can claim that you need to be Ryo. I mean, if you honestly NEED to be a character in order to improve your writing style, I think you need to re-think your writing style. Second of all, nothing would prevent you from writing in Ryo's style, since the fact that you are or are not the character is all in your mind. |
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| Rina Kasakura | Mar 12 2008, 12:12 AM Post #20 |
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"The Firefly"
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Personally, I don't mind canons. (Keep in mind that I don't have any majors points for, or against them. Also keep in mind that I'm not organizing my thoughts here. Tangents will be included. Also, note that my title now says "Ms. Contradiction." It's habitual. ALSO, ...I guess this could be a rant, too [shrug]) But in RPGs, when important villain-type storylines arise (and I'm 85% sure we'll have one), you gotta (subconsciously) expect the important canons to save the day. It's more of a psychological thing than it is about the frequency of them actually saving the day, especially in Judai's/Judai's case. I, personally, would prefer not to have that happen, as then, that user is expected to maintain a fairly decent amount of presence on the site, which, sometimes, doesn't happen (admins are exceptions, for the most part, as they have to be here, ...for the most part). The main beef I've got is with users who "can't hack it" for the important canons. As for inconsistencies, for all we (I) know, this could be an alternate reality-type RPG, thus, somewhat dealing with the card-availability issue. Somewhat, because now, the canon is no longer "special," or as "big and bad" as they were, on-screen Judai, with his Neos, Neo-Spacians, and Skyscraper 2 - Hero City Edo, with Destiny Heroes Johan, with Crystal Beast Ryo, with his masterful-like command over Cyber Dragon-related cards Fubuki, in regards to "Darkness" and the Red-Eyes Darkness deck (and others I've currently forgotten) .... .... .... .... .... ...Now I'm not sure where I stand with this.... -.-; Without canons, the main stories can be geared more towards the original (made-up) characters. However, also, without canons, we won't have any lead characters to help build stories, unless we can bump up the importance of some of our made-ups. But doing that might alienate some people, unless it was decided in a fair manner. Then again [Negima! mindset] slightly-above-general storylines could probably work for us. .... But I'm thinking we'll need to build up a number of lead characters. ...But then they practically become the new "canons," now, huh.... .... .... .... ... .... .... .... .... .... .... ...@__@ I'm done. Too many tangents to keep my thoughts together. |
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