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Fringe; the TV series
Topic Started: Nov 14 2008, 03:36 PM (1,531 Views)
Canis Lupis
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.

Well, technically, that wasn't the season premiere. That was a long time ago, after the World Series.

And now, Yorick, we KNOW that the White House was gone. When Walter questioned a survivor of the universe transfer disaster "Jacksonville", he told Walter that the Pentagon and the White House were attacked on 9/11. The survivor never mentioned the Twin Towers.

I don't get the thing with the coin. Sorry. I'll have to analyze it (hey, when you're as much into "Fringe" as a Trekkie is into "Star Trek", you over analyze and come up with a BUNCH of theories).



And here are two that will probably come true:



1. In our universe, Walter was distraught by his son's death and, when he brought Peternate back, he fully intended to return him. But he didn't and that probably caused a schism between the female lab partner (who is the woman killed in the lab fire which incarcerated Walter), so Walter, in a fit of maniacal rage (maybe caused by the pieces William Bell removed from Walter's brain (which he probably had removed as soon as Bell came back from Europe)), burned the lab and killed her, landing him in St. Claires.

But perhaps, in the other universe, Walternate remains much calmer after the kidnapping. He probably is spurred on by rage as well but, due to not having any brain tissue removed, he can control it. It is revealed in any episode where Walter watches the video concerning the fire Olivia started that Walter is a bit more angry and violent than William (as revealed by Walter's tone). Also in "Peter" and in "Unearthed" (both in season 2), it is revealed that Walter doesn't deal well with differing opinions.

Assuming that Walter's personality traits carr over to Walternate (which, BTW, when referring to any character from the other side, I shall add -nate to the end. Therefore the Peter we see in the show every day would be called Peternate and the one that died is just Peter) and also assuming that Williamnate has the same IQ as William (I'm thinking Walter is smarter than William), Walternate could be president of Massive Dynamic (recall that in "There's More Than One of Everything", no leader of the other Massive Dynamic is revealed). And a more dangerous one at that. Keep in mind that William kept a code of ethics about him concerning the experiments on children, but Walter was more concerned with science. So potenially, the entire war between universes could just be a war between Walter and Walternate.



2. Olivianate is dead. J.J. Abrams revealed in an interview that, in the season 2 finale (two parts, mind you), the main characters (and probably Broyles), will go over to the other side. There, Olivia will probably not find Olivianate. Remember the lab accident mentioned in "Bad Dreams"? Olivia, revealed in "Jacksonville", started fire in her mind. Now, in our universe, Olivia survived. But, in the other universe, who's to say that Olivia also survied? Recall that with pyrokinetics (fictional, but fact on "Fringe"), one can either expel the heat away from their body or keep it internal (which is usually the case since pyrokinetics can't control their ability). Perhaps that is what Olivianate did: keep the heat inside and thus combust herself.






Here are some things I've gathered about the other universe (when something is my conjecture, I'll tell you):

1. The Twin Towers weren't attacked on 9/11 while the White House was.

2. John F. Kennedy was never assassinated (if you look closely at the newspaper on Bell's desk in "There's More Than One of Everything", you will see a side column that is headed "Former Pres. Kennedy to speak a UN". Now, admittedly, that could be one of JFK's brothers who was elected president or it could be JFK).

3. Another side column states "Celtics Sweep! Len Bias Wins MVP". In our universe, Len Bias was drafted by the Boston Celtics but died before he could play. I guess in the other universe, he survived.

4. Yet another side column states "Stock Markets Remain Closed". I assume that means their stock markets close a while ago andthat they are in a second Great Depression.

5. As revealed in the episode "The Road Not Taken", those twins who could start fires in their minds were not separated but remained together.

6. Also revealed in "The Road Not Taken", Charlienate has a scar.

7. Also revealed in "The Road Not Taken", the Fringe Division is under quarintine (or was at that point in time).

8. Richard Nixon, as revealed in "There's More Than One of Everything", is on the back of a silver dollar which I guess is used by the other siders whereas we don't.

9. They could also use the two dollar bill as a common currency as revealed in "Ability", but that is doubtful and I may just be spitballing.

10. Walternate was not incarcerated, though that's just a conjecture. Assuming Williamnate didn't remove bits of Walternate's brain, Walternate wouldn't have gone insane (as it is revealed in "Grey Matters" that Walter only went insane after William removed bits of Walter's brain).

11. The Hindenburg never appened, though that is also a conjecture. Seeing as zeppelins are still in use (as revealed in "Peter"), and also seeing that the Hindenburg pretty much halted zeppelin travel by the public, we can draw a pretty accurate conclusion about this one.

12. Either Christopher Lloyd or Michael J. Fox didn't apper in "Back to the Future". When the Obervers walked out of the theater in "Peter", the sign says that someone else (can't remember his name) stars in the movie.

13. Ninanate doesn't have a robot arm. Since she lost her arm in that warp accident, we can assume that Ninanate never lost her arm.

14. Either the other universe people drive double decker cars or that is a fixture in some cartoon show. I'm not sure. It was revealed in "Jacksonville" that the other universe people have a model double decker car, so perhaps they do drive it around or it is just a toy.

15. In the other universe, perhaps there was no lab accident at Harvard. That is, assuming that Walter doesn't go insane and that my previous theory about the cause of the Harvard accident is true.

16. The other universe people aren't very advanced when it comes to aeronautics. Assuming that the Hindenburg did happen, they could still be using zeppelins because there are no other options.

17. They are approximately thirty years ahead of us when it comes to cell phone technology and car technology. It is revealed in "Peter" that they've already got cell phones on par with todays cell phones. It is also revealed in "Jacksonville" that cars from the other universe's 1980's already had CD players while our cars didn't. Or those technological advancements could just mean they had their digital revolution in about the 1940's. If that's the case, it could mean a different outcome in all wars after that.

18. Peternate survives his disease whereas Peter dies. But that's obvious.




Sorry for such a long post. I had a lot to say.

BTW, who likes the theme music for "Peter" better than the normal theme song? I know I do.
Edited by Canis Lupis, Apr 3 2010, 08:03 PM.
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(Okay, mid-season premier. Look, if it breaks in midseason, then I just see both as two different seasons)

One issue, I think Bell is in charge of Alt Massive Dynamics, somehow replacing the other Bell. In how much trouble the other universe has I don't see why not.

Olivianate is probably dead, but I don't think she burned herself to death. Think of every single time Peter saved Olivia, he wasn't there for Olivianate.

According to an interview, the guy that plays Walter says that Walter didn't have a darkside until Peter died, right? But he had A Peter. Also we know that the research on the children was done before the multiple lobotomies, then Walter started forgetting this stuff. Walter may not remember it keeping him relatively good, Walternate is likely more disturbed and cold-hearted than our Walter is.

Finally, Olivia's old parner is still alive is another difference, since it was the alternate universe's super-spy that killed him.

There is one other possibility, a third-verse. Why do I think that? The super-spy. He used a type-writer, that seems pretty pre-digital age to me, which is contrary to everything we've seen of the other universe. So it could be that there are three universes. A (ours) B(Walternate) and C (Super-spy). But I really doubt this, it could have just been in disguise, if they had underestimated our technology.

Next, Walternate and possibly Bellnate are obviously brilliant as our originals. If C and B are the same universe, then Walternate made his own time-window and portal just a few years after Walter did. (everything was in place for the Super-spy before he went across by years, and for the type-writer to be accurate it had to be very early after the 'first event').

Walternate might be far more paranoid then ours is, if C is B then he got the military in on the multiverse and helped plan the battle (thus the super-spy and the need for us to have our own army).

Also, I beleive Bell was already travelling between universes but too scared to tell Walter. A he was never in the flashback episode, and all the excuses sounded like more pacific versions of ours B He told Walter to go head and start working on it, and Walter seems to have been refusing to go across C Before hand, thanks to the risks, Walter never would have travelled across before his son died. This raises the question if Bell caused the sickness to begin with (they already could time travel and they had worked with GE at some point).

Also, I think the flashback's opening was brilliant.

(The alt alt universe is 99% unlikely to happen, but if it does, I just wanted to be the first to call it)
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Glad to see everyone on this site is now a fan.

Anyway, I guess now we know for sure about the alternate universe's version of the 9/11 attacks.
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Well, Peter still doesn't know about him being an AUer and Walter plans on telling him. That should be... interesting.

Also, am I the only one who thinks Astrid should have more screen time? I just want to know more about her.
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.

Update due to the epicness of the latest episode "Northwest Passage".

Peter has known that he is an AUer for three episodes now and he ran away as soon as he found out.

Anyway, at the end of "Northwest Passage", Thomas Jerome Newton (a shape shifting AUer. I'd like to discuss these guys as to their plausibility and place in "Fringe") finds Peter at the hotel. He calls in a man he calls Master Secretary and we discover that it is Walternate (Walter's AU counterpart).




Does anyone else think this is made of win or not?
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I loved that twist at the end as well as Mratha Plimpton's performance in that episode.
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.

Who's Martha Plimpton? The sheriff?




Ah "Fringe". We can always predict a twist, but never what said twist is.
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What a fantastic episode of Fringe last night!

The picture of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on the $20 bill was priceless.
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Walternate is in charge of the DOD??? Holy crap, everyone is screwed.

Also, I love the look of Alt Fringe Division.
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Yeah. It was AWESOME!

Except one thing: how could Agent Lee, as burnt as he was, survive that fire? I don't see it as possible.

And why weren't Walter and Olivia affected by the trip? Is it because they've both been over there before?

BTW, you know Charlie's deal with the worms, which is why he kept giving himself a shot? It all ties back to "Unleashed". Episode 16 of the first season where he became the host to a GEd creature's eggs. In our universe, he was cured from being the host to the eggs (worms). But, in the other universe, he wasn't cured and so has to administer some medication to prevent the eggs from hatching.
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Except one thing: how could Agent Lee, as burnt as he was, survive that fire? I don't see it as possible.


I thought the same thing.

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And why weren't Walter and Olivia affected by the trip? Is it because they've both been over there before?


Neither was that guy who was shot.

Olivia and the other guy who took the drug must have better control over their powers so that's why they're not unstable.

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BTW, you know Charlie's deal with the worms, which is why he kept giving himself a shot? It all ties back to "Unleashed". Episode 16 of the first season where he became the host to a GEd creature's eggs. In our universe, he was cured from being the host to the eggs (worms). But, in the other universe, he wasn't cured and so has to administer some medication to prevent the eggs from hatching.


Yeah. I noticed that but...

THEY'RE ARACHNIDS-NOT WORMS! ;)
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Arachnid-smachnid. They look like worms. Therefore, they ARE worms. XD

Actually, Nick Lane WAS effected by the trip. Remember when Walter told Nick to make the alternate Fringe Division leave and Nick couldn't do it? Trust me, he was effected.
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Oh yeah, now I remembered. Probably Olivia couldn't use her abilities either.
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.

What are her abilities anyway? Other than to detect things from the other side, I don't think she has any.
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I also am a huge fan of fringe but I have no Idea what power Olivia has besides seeing the glimmer of the other side. I haven't seen all the episodes, like the road not taken but I've seen most of the second season.

The alternate Charlie may have never met the creature from unleashed, it could be something totally different as in unleashed they were clearly worm-like. Maybe a disease from the other world?

Also the fringe division in the other universe doesn't seem to deal with the same situations. From the latest episode I took that the alternate team only deals with these cracks between universes, not events from the pattern.

Does anyone else think William bell is evil, or at least totally self-preserving. I don't like him.
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