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I need some help on concepts for a Perfect Organism; Shadow chuckled. "You mean the chaos emeralds?"
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Topic Started: May 5 2018, 07:15 AM (524 Views)
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May 5 2018, 07:15 AM
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It's an idea that's been on my mind for awhile. Say that scientists manage to create Life. A single chain of bacteria. It's ultimate destiny? To evolve and to not only replace every Multi-cellular life form on Earth, but to evolve "better" than it. By no means is Evolution an arms race to become better, but it would be interesting to see how ecological niches could be tackled more successfully.
Said Species wouldn't fill the both niches of say, aerial plankton and an African Elephant. It's purpose is to rise and become more fit than the organisms it's competing with at a extremely rapid rate, driving them to extinction, one by one, until eventually even Humans wouldn't be able to fight back.
So where would it start? How would it go about in it's mission? And over what period of time?
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May 5 2018, 01:28 PM
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Why would anyone want to do that?
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Though a better idea would be to rapidly electrolyze the oceans of the world and monopolize the world's water supply because you own the only major factory for burning hydrogen to form drinking and agricultural water. -colddigger
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Lawn work just sucks which is why, I have thistles instead. - colddigger yet more
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Tthe vast majority of Creationists that I have met online or in real life, have been stubbornly, ignorantly arrogant towards people who accept evolution. I have met some creationists who are genuinely nice people who accept other's beliefs, but they are in the minority. Even the most prominent Creationist preachers or "creation scientists" can be labelled as arrogant, because their behavior when talking against or about evolution ranges from passive-aggressive to bordering on sociopathic.-Tim Morris
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May 5 2018, 02:13 PM
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Killing all complex life on Earth to replace it with a ‘better’ version? Sounds more like a mass specicide.
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Killing all complex life on Earth to replace it with a ‘better’ version? Sounds more like a mass specicide. Does it really matter why they did it?
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Killing all complex life on Earth to replace it with a ‘better’ version? Sounds more like a mass specicide.
Does it really matter why they did it? A reason that makes more sense than ‘for the lulz’ makes it more ‘plausible’
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Killing all complex life on Earth to replace it with a ‘better’ version? Sounds more like a mass specicide.
Does it really matter why they did it?
A reason that makes more sense than ‘for the lulz’ makes it more ‘plausible’ The let's assume that some random fanatic probably pseudo-religious group wanted to exterminate the inferior "original" life so they created a form of life that they thought was superior and destined to eradicate this inferior life forms. That a good scenario?
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Killing all complex life on Earth to replace it with a ‘better’ version? Sounds more like a mass specicide.
Does it really matter why they did it?
A reason that makes more sense than ‘for the lulz’ makes it more ‘plausible’
The let's assume that some random fanatic probably pseudo-religious group wanted to exterminate the inferior "original" life so they created a form of life that they thought was superior and destined to eradicate this inferior life forms. That a good scenario? Is the ‘random fanatic probably pseudo-religious’ group comprised of alien space bats? Though it sounds better than the original, somewhat.
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May 5 2018, 06:21 PM
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Evolution is not goal-oriented. There's no such thing as a "perfect" organism, since the environment is constantly changing and there are so many factors involved. What you're proposing is, to be blunt, nonsensical.
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If scientists created new life, it would likely be destroyed by existing life almost immediately if it was removed from the sterile environment that would be necessary to create it.
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May 5 2018, 07:57 PM
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Building off of what Russ has said, there's no real way for a single, static organism to be the "Ultimate Lifeform," since its environment will inevitably change, thus rendering said lifeform no longer the ultimate one.
The only actual way to create an "Ultimate Lifeform" would be to have it able to, whether as an individual or a species, be able to adapt to whatever sort of issues it may come across. So far I've only seen two examples of that on a macro-scale, with one for a species and the other as an individual.
Spoiled for potentially big images.  Mass Effect's Vorcha do it through a weird version of Lamarkism. If they come across a new environmental factor that can't kill them before they breed with it around -a toxic gas, for example- the offspring will either be resistant or entirely immune. It's more realistic than a single individual, but it does have limits.  The above character is Jojo's Bizarre Adventures' Kars, a being with the ability to emulate any and all organisms with but a single thought. The above image gives the example of flight through a bird's wings, and is depicted in the show splitting parts of himself off to do his bidding in various forms. The issue of course is that this sort of thing is physically impossible, at least for an unaugmented Earth organism, due to the amount of matter and energy needed for such radical, near-immediate changes. So in other words, you'd have to either use a failed evolutionary hypothesis or an ability that would require technology humans don't have.
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The only way this “ultimate organism” would even work is if it somehow operated on Lamarckan evolution, which just isn’t possible.
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May 5 2018, 08:13 PM
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The Ultimate Lifeform(s)(or rather the Best Fit Lineage) doesn't necessarily have an end goal. Like every other species, it has the potential to evolve over time, only the amount of mutations and offspring allows evolution to occur much faster than any other animal.
The amount of offspring however, doesn't lead to depletion of resources. Mainly because by the time any food sources have been decimated, the amount of mutations that have already occurred allow them to evolve into other niches. Essentially a rapidly evolving biological infestation.
Edited by Dazzle, May 5 2018, 08:16 PM.
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May 5 2018, 08:35 PM
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The quickest mutating organisms IIRC are viruses (yes I am counting them as organisms), and the reason they are able to mutate so quickly is that they have very small amounts of DNA (or RNA in retroviruses). The more complex an organism’s genome is, the longer it takes for significant mutations to occur. This can be offset somewhat by a rapid reproductive rate, but even the fastest reproducing multicellular organisms do not mutate as quickly as viruses and bacteria.
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