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So then would black leaves be the most efficient, as black absorbs all light? technically, yes...or a dark-green or dark-turquoise. however, plants that live in low-light conditions (forest understories, for example) are often silver from pigments and-or leaf fuzz, because they have to protect against sunburns -- when one of the taller plants dies & the sunlight floods the understory.
so "grab all light" isn't always what a plant wants to do...contrary to most initial thoughts.
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Okay. Also, plant mobility. could a plant possibly move on its own, by pulling itself along with vines? I have an idea for a plant that sneaks up on animals, and then explodes, covering them with spores.
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Other than increasing leaf size, what ways could a plant evolve to maximize captured sunlight in low light conditions?
Some plants, instead of having broad leaves to increase surface area, have "windows" in their leaves (Hawthornia truncata is one). This lets the plant use the inside of the leaf for photosynthesis as well as the outside. This strategy is mostly used by plants from arid regions to reduce surface area that water could be lost through, but could hypothetically be useful in low light.
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Okay. Also, plant mobility. could a plant possibly move on its own, by pulling itself along with vines? I have an idea for a plant that sneaks up on animals, and then explodes, covering them with spores.
Depends on the plant? If it is an alien plant, almost anything is fair game. But if it is an Earth derived plant, this would be more unlikely. It would be a longer evolutionary pathway to evolve pursuit tactics than to just cover an animal with spores if it brushes up against a stationary plant (plants already do this with pollen).
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Yeah, I was basically thinking of an animal (probably a reptile) with gold in its skin, scales, teeth and bones. Fossils of these animals are well-preserved like Borealopelta, with their skin and scales still there, and their bone agatized. Upon discovery, the gold is still there and combined with the gembone and well-preserved fossils their remains basically become treasure. One issue with that is that the reason gold is considered valuable here on Earth is because it is rare. If your hypothetical creature can obtain enough gold to have it in its body in the amounts you are implying that would also imply that it comes from a world where gold is far more common and thus would not be all that valuable. If gold was that common its doubtful it would even be seen as treasure.
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Yeah, I was basically thinking of an animal (probably a reptile) with gold in its skin, scales, teeth and bones. Fossils of these animals are well-preserved like Borealopelta, with their skin and scales still there, and their bone agatized. Upon discovery, the gold is still there and combined with the gembone and well-preserved fossils their remains basically become treasure.
One issue with that is that the reason gold is considered valuable here on Earth is because it is rare. If your hypothetical creature can obtain enough gold to have it in its body in the amounts you are implying that would also imply that it comes from a world where gold is far more common and thus would not be all that valuable. If gold was that common its doubtful it would even be seen as treasure. They may have gotten it from river sediments, much like we did when panning for gold, so there's a (more) reliable source for a precious metal then just stumbling across it. Though why would still need to be a thing to consider. I'd figure a kind of mating display where it's like "I have enough energy to go and find this hard to find shiny stuff, I'm obviously the one with the best genes" is the most plausible, though it would be interesting to learn how they evolved the ability to adapt gold into their biochemistry like that, rather than just making pigments that do the same thing.
As for the concept of incorporation in general, there are bloodworms, which have copper teeth.
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Yeah, I was basically thinking of an animal (probably a reptile) with gold in its skin, scales, teeth and bones. Fossils of these animals are well-preserved like Borealopelta, with their skin and scales still there, and their bone agatized. Upon discovery, the gold is still there and combined with the gembone and well-preserved fossils their remains basically become treasure.
One issue with that is that the reason gold is considered valuable here on Earth is because it is rare. If your hypothetical creature can obtain enough gold to have it in its body in the amounts you are implying that would also imply that it comes from a world where gold is far more common and thus would not be all that valuable. If gold was that common its doubtful it would even be seen as treasure. Perhaps accessible gold was far more common during the time the creature lived?
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Yeah, I was basically thinking of an animal (probably a reptile) with gold in its skin, scales, teeth and bones. Fossils of these animals are well-preserved like Borealopelta, with their skin and scales still there, and their bone agatized. Upon discovery, the gold is still there and combined with the gembone and well-preserved fossils their remains basically become treasure.
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Okay. Also, plant mobility. could a plant possibly move on its own, by pulling itself along with vines? I have an idea for a plant that sneaks up on animals, and then explodes, covering them with spores. pulling itself along, like a seal on a beach, moving its entire body - no.
pulling itself along, as in it grips rocks and whatnot as it grows longer and longer, one end following a chemical/? trail to its prey - sure.
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So then it wold need to be able to grow rather fast, as I plan to put it in an area where animals are scarce, hence the reason it needs to hunt, as spores need the fresh carcass for the nutrients and moisture it contains, hence why it "hunts". The roots and main body of the plant would also need to be well protected, to keep herbivores from munching on it. That, or as it grows towards its prey, the parts behind it die off. this would protect the plant, and keep the planet in question from being covered in so much foliage from one plant it looks like a kudzu invasion.
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So then it wold need to be able to grow rather fast, as I plan to put it in an area where animals are scarce, hence the reason it needs to hunt, as spores need the fresh carcass for the nutrients and moisture it contains, hence why it "hunts". The roots and main body of the plant would also need to be well protected, to keep herbivores from munching on it. That, or as it grows towards its prey, the parts behind it die off. this would protect the plant, and keep the planet in question from being covered in so much foliage from one plant it looks like a kudzu invasion. If animal matter is scarce and these are regular old 'plants', meaning they have the same energy-producing capabilities of a simple Earth plant, then I don't expect them to be walking around much at all. Besides if they need a corpse producing tonnes of spore-young being pumped out to disperse over the air is far more efficient and far more plausible than some walking plant.
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So then it wold need to be able to grow rather fast, as I plan to put it in an area where animals are scarce, hence the reason it needs to hunt, as spores need the fresh carcass for the nutrients and moisture it contains, hence why it "hunts". The roots and main body of the plant would also need to be well protected, to keep herbivores from munching on it. That, or as it grows towards its prey, the parts behind it die off. this would protect the plant, and keep the planet in question from being covered in so much foliage from one plant it looks like a kudzu invasion.
If animal matter is scarce and these are regular old 'plants', meaning they have the same energy-producing capabilities of a simple Earth plant, then I don't expect them to be walking around much at all. Besides if they need a corpse producing tonnes of spore-young being pumped out to disperse over the air is far more efficient and far more plausible than some walking plant.
1. The scarcity of animal matter during an extinction event led it to develop limited mobility. The increase in animal matter after the event allowed it to refine that ability. It did not fully develop mobility in direct response to lack of animal matter. It started out slowly growing towards corpses, then hunting live prey. 2. These are not Earth plants. They are similar, but not the same. They are able to produce more energy than Earth plants, but at the cost off only being able to spread their spores once. Their explosion to spread spores? That would be a one time trick. The animal corpses were needed in the past because of the extinction event wiping out the animals who's droppings would fertilize the plant. Now its needed to provide the energy needed to move. I do agree that it is highly unlikely in most cases though, especially on Earth. Most likely, the closest that we could get are mobile autotrophs that are neither plant nor animal.
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Would it be possible for two eusocial species to live in the same colony? I don't mean one domesticating or enslaving the other, I mean both living in a mutual relationship. Like, the queens for both species may either live in the same chamber or different ones, but the two "societies" become integrated in all their affairs, so to speak. Like, they hunt together, defend the nest together, forage together, and all that stuff.
Could such an arrangement work?
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Would it be possible for two eusocial species to live in the same colony? I don't mean one domesticating or enslaving the other, I mean both living in a mutual relationship. Like, the queens for both species may either live in the same chamber or different ones, but the two "societies" become integrated in all their affairs, so to speak. Like, they hunt together, defend the nest together, forage together, and all that stuff.
Could such an arrangement work? I don't see why not...eusocial wasps can of the same species can live in neighboring nests (one sister and her tiny hive, beside another sister and her tiny hive)...it should be possible to be neighboring species cohabiting one location - perhaps what keeps them separate is what they eat or when they breed?
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Why can't Archosaurs give live birth?
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