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Genetic study in himalaya bear shows unknow hybrid plus more proof that inferred yeti remains are bears; Just change the name of the topic for what the original article stands for, sorry for the irrelevant clicbait title
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Nov 30 2017, 03:37 PM
This all seems like a stretch to me - mere ignorance and misinterpretation about others cultures (or about science) does not make them racist/discriminatory.
True, but it seems like many intentionally do so to fit their own agendas, and that is racist/discriminatory.
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See my edit - yes, some do. Does that justify a generalization? No.
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Nov 30 2017, 06:21 AM
No one's arguing for the existence of satyrs or elves as some sort of hominids hiding out there.
That brings up a point about cryptozoologists: its kind of racist. What I mean is that many of them engage in cultural appropriation.

Take Sasquatch for instance. It originated in the folklore of northwestern coast indigenous tribes, but they were just that" folklore, which most of the elders knew very well. Then along came the white cryptozoologists, who start saying "No, they're real," and start adding their own theories to it. The original tales look nothing like the ones today. Pretty much no-one knows that Sasquatch is from indigenous cultures.
Cultural appropriation arguably doesn't exist. It's not so much them being racist to non white people, but more so them hearing about a mythical creature and thinking it's really because they're stupid.
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Can we just get back to discussing the nature of the bear hair as a hybrid?
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No one's arguing for the existence of satyrs or elves as some sort of hominids hiding out there.
That brings up a point about cryptozoologists: its kind of racist. What I mean is that many of them engage in cultural appropriation.

Take Sasquatch for instance. It originated in the folklore of northwestern coast indigenous tribes, but they were just that" folklore, which most of the elders knew very well. Then along came the white cryptozoologists, who start saying "No, they're real," and start adding their own theories to it. The original tales look nothing like the ones today. Pretty much no-one knows that Sasquatch is from indigenous cultures.
Cultural appropriation arguably doesn't exist. It's not so much them being racist to non white people, but more so them hearing about a mythical creature and thinking it's really because they're stupid.


Cultural appropriation is absolutely a thing, it's just that most people don't understand that it entails. Eating sushi is a non-harmful form of cultural appropriation; stealing australian cave art is a harmful one.

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Nov 30 2017, 06:56 PM
Can we just get back to discussing the nature of the bear hair as a hybrid?


It is relevant, however.
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Nov 30 2017, 03:37 PM
This all seems like a stretch to me - mere ignorance and misinterpretation about others cultures (or about science) does not make them racist/discriminatory.
Many like to see racism hidden in any views that they consider to be wrong. Its easier to just accuse someone of being a horrible person rather than coming up with sober rational arguments for why one thinks they are wrong.

As for the whole "these things show up in myths so they must be mythical", this is an irrelevant point. The reason cryptids are of interest to anyone is because people in this day and age are reporting them and that includes the local people who often claim these "mythical creatures" are still around. Notice also that things like centaurs and griffins and pegasi and such are noticeably absent from cryptozoology as no one is claiming these things roam the Earth. Its always just things that might sometimes seem a bit odd but can conceivably be fitted into a zoological framework.
Finally, the whole racism accusation could well be turned around upon skeptics. After all, it is the skeptics who oppose the notion that creatures certain cultures insist live in their area must be just be local superstition as if people from those cultures can't know as much, let alone more, about their local fauna that "experts" who've often never even visited the places in question. Of course it would be pretty silly to claim all crypto-skeptics are racist, but just as silly to claim the same of cryptozoologists. How about we actually try to consider the arguments on both sides in a calm and rational manner instead of just flinging around accusations of racism or other forms of discrimination?
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No one's arguing for the existence of satyrs or elves as some sort of hominids hiding out there.
That brings up a point about cryptozoologists: its kind of racist. What I mean is that many of them engage in cultural appropriation.

Take Sasquatch for instance. It originated in the folklore of northwestern coast indigenous tribes, but they were just that" folklore, which most of the elders knew very well. Then along came the white cryptozoologists, who start saying "No, they're real," and start adding their own theories to it. The original tales look nothing like the ones today. Pretty much no-one knows that Sasquatch is from indigenous cultures.
Cultural appropriation arguably doesn't exist. It's not so much them being racist to non white people, but more so them hearing about a mythical creature and thinking it's really because they're stupid.


Cultural appropriation is absolutely a thing, it's just that most people don't understand that it entails. Eating sushi is a non-harmful form of cultural appropriation; stealing Australian cave art is a harmful one.

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Nov 30 2017, 06:56 PM
Can we just get back to discussing the nature of the bear hair as a hybrid?


It is relevant, however.
So borrowing/doing things that are part of another culture is somehow appropriation? Don't you know that different cultures have been exchanging goods, customs, food, languages, religions, games, traditions, ideas, etc with each other since the origin of Homo sapiens? By that logic, someone from Uganda or Nepal eating a McDonalds big mac or a French croissant is cultural appropriation.

Fact, cultures copy each other and take things from each other. Malagasy from Bantu, Persian from Arab, Tibet from Indian, Japanese from Chinese, Irish from English and so on and so forth
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To make a long story short, yes, that is cultural appropriation. It is simply the act of taking things from another culture. It is ideally a neutral term, misunderstanding of what it entails nonwithstanding.
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Nov 30 2017, 07:42 PM
To make a long story short, yes, that is cultural appropriation. It is simply the act of taking things from another culture. It is ideally a neutral term, misunderstanding of what it entails nonwithstanding.
Well, "appropriation" has a strong connotation.
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I agree with shrekt'd; whether it was the intended definition or not, the term generally carries a negative connotation (in fact, this is literally how the first two sentence of the Wikipedia article read - it's borrowing from another culture; it's commonly associated with being a negative thing specifically). Therefore, I would argue it's not a particularly useful term when others could be used instead.

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Can we just get back to discussing the nature of the bear hair as a hybrid?

...to discuss what, exactly? Yetis are just bears, conmen, and hyperbole, there's not really that much to it.
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The thing the study ignores is the fact that the term "yeti" does not refer to just one thing. There are supposed to be at least three different and distinct types of yeti- the teh-lma, the yeh-teh and the dzu-teh. The existence of bear hair tells us nothing of whether or not any of the different types of yetis exist, let alone what any of them might be if they do. Just another case of online articles creating a lot of unnecessary hype over very little.
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I agree too! Let's just get this out of the way...
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