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Should we save the vaquita
Topic Started: Oct 18 2017, 09:21 PM (1,356 Views)
CeratosaurusKing
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Now if you guys don't know what a vaquita is it's the world's smallest porpoise anyways the vaquita are down to 30 individuals in the wild which Means they could go extinct very soon the question is do we save them or it is to late for them? I personally say we save them from extinction too many cool animals have already gone extinct due to humans (thylacine)
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This "hurr durr humans are evil" mentality is really annoying.
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Oct 18 2017, 09:29 PM
This "hurr durr humans are evil" mentality is really annoying.
I wasn't saying humans are evil
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Oct 18 2017, 10:36 PM
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Oct 18 2017, 09:29 PM
This "hurr durr humans are evil" mentality is really annoying.
I wasn't saying humans are evil
I know, but when talking about conservation, it appears a lot. As for the actual question, no. 30 individuals is way too low for recovery.
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Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
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This "hurr durr humans are evil" mentality is really annoying.
I wasn't saying humans are evil
I know, but when talking about conservation, it appears a lot. As for the actual question, no. 30 individuals is way too low for recovery.
Hasn't this been said about species in similarly perilous situations?
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Gilbert's Potoroo was thought to be extinct, but then late last century a tiny group numbering no more than 40 individuals was discovered in Two People's Bay, Western Australia. By 2012 there were around 100 individuals. So, if we could save the potoroo, it seems it is not too late to save the porpoise.

Sadly, Gilbert's Potoroo numbers more than halved due to recent bushfires. They're working on insurance populations now to prevent extinction (they have currently been successfully introduced to Bald Island). It seems the best way to save a species is to never give up.
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Oct 18 2017, 10:57 PM
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Oct 18 2017, 10:36 PM
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Oct 18 2017, 09:29 PM
This "hurr durr humans are evil" mentality is really annoying.
I wasn't saying humans are evil
I know, but when talking about conservation, it appears a lot. As for the actual question, no. 30 individuals is way too low for recovery.
Hasn't this been said about species in similarly perilous situations?
depends on what it is -- some species can recover even with only a dozen survivors...while others nosedive into extinction while there are hundreds left.
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Oct 18 2017, 09:29 PM
This "hurr durr humans are evil" mentality is really annoying.
You jumping to that conclusion puts you on the spot.
He said the vaquita is going extinct due to humans. This is a fact, not a "mentality".
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We already have protection for the vaquita, and while we should keep this protection in case vaquitas can be saved, this should remain the extent of protection. There’s an almost certain chance the vaquita will die out. While species in worse situations (the California condor) have survived, this was due to intensive care. Califonia condors have started to recover, but their population is still dangerously low. Inbreeding could also be a problem as well. To reiterate: keep the protection we have, but don’t establish captive breeding programs.
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Species have recovered from worse, though. The Chatham Island black robin was at one point reduced to a population of only five individuals. However, by breeding and cross-fostering them in captivity, their numbers quickly rose and now there are more than 250 of them.
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I absolutely think we should try our best to save the vaquita. We don't want to lose any more animals, especially not one as beautiful and fascinating as the vaquita so even though it may end up resulting in failure, we should at least try and take comfort in knowing that we tried and didn't just abandon the species to extinction.
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Their population have been declining since the last few decades.
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Oct 18 2017, 09:29 PM
This "hurr durr humans are evil" mentality is really annoying.
That was rather uncalled for. The OP did not claim, nor even imply, humans are evil but merely pointed out vaquitas are in danger of extinction and it is human actions that resulted in this situation. These are facts, regardless of what views one may have on what humanity is like.

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The Chatham Island black robin was at one point reduced to a population of only five individuals. However, by breeding and cross-fostering them in captivity, their numbers quickly rose and now there are more than 250 of them.
How did they avoid the inbreeding issues that arise from having an extremely low population?


Anyway, on saving the vaquita I think we certainly should do what we can to do so, though the extremely low population is admittedly quite a worry. There is the hope that their population numbers have been underestimated in which case they may have a better chance of recovery.
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What people are forgetting that the Vaquita isn't a small bird or marsupial. It's a cetacean. They breed very slowly.
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Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
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Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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Phylogeny of the arthropods and some related groups


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