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This is a question that appeared today in my mind. I remember talking with my grandmother about how in her village little kids couldn't get close to the pigs because of the danger of being killed and maybe even eaten. I researched a bit and it seems like there have been various cases of wild boars killing and eating small animals, including cattle. With the dissappearence of big predators like wolves or bears in western Europe, could it be possible for boars to evolve into predatory animals?
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Aug 5 2017, 06:13 AM
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Tetraconodonts had teeth similar to entelodonts, so yes.
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Perfectly possible, pigs are omnivores and enthusiastic meat eaters, and there have been several predatory ungulates, mesonychids, cetaceans and Andrewsarchus.
Their hooves would limit the ways they could hunt, but they could still evolve into bear-like and dog-like animals quite easily.
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I see them as big bear like omnivores but I think unless true carnivorans die out they wouldn´t do much more
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Tetraconodonts had teeth similar to entelodonts, so yes. What the heck is a Tetraconodont?
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It refers to Tetraconodontinae, an extinct subfamily of suids.
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Even duikers show trends towards carnivorous behaviours. However otherwise its limited to members of the Cetaceomorpha and the tetraconodonts. Wondering if there could be ultrapredatory pigs because they are artiodactyls overlooks something: the clade is primitively omnivorous.
All living artiodactyls have a chambered stomach excepting Suidae, and three living clades are foregut fermenters having been thus preadapted. Whales go in the opposite extreme as obligate carnivores depending on jaws and teeth in the absence of claws. Its unlikely that a killer whale bite would evolve on land without a grade lacking an occlusal bite, but it would circumvent the constraint posed by hooved pig feet. Occlusal bites are lost in piscivores (toothed whales, grey seals) and insectivores (giant armadillo) and coevolves with polyodonty each time. If you can factor in such a stage then you can have a pig with a bite like an orca.
As a point of reference Andresarchus seems to be the most carnivorous entelodont and was a piscivore evolved from a pig-like ancestor. Now modify the skull along the lines above along the moderately derived Halichoerus, which is on the way to becoming something like a toothed whale with an unstable number of teeth. And then look at killer whales, Livyatan etc. So it has such a bite but probably with some heterodonty still.
Pigs are front heavy and this lends easily to a hyena or homothere gait. Grappling like a lion or a grizzly bear is improbable. However the intermediate stage of a fish eater or insectivore would lead to slender jaws and a fairly lightweight skull by comparison to warthogs or wild boar so something like a thylacine could evolve. Though they were ambush predators thylacines had a bite force suggesting they habitually took small prey, as do most canids so a predatory pig could look different.
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a thermal maximum causes carnivoran body size to trend smaller Um what
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Feral pigs in the united states can be predatory, I don't find it impossible for wild boars.
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a thermal maximum causes carnivoran body size to trend smaller
Um what Extinction event happens, big guys go extinct, average body size is lower.
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a thermal maximum causes carnivoran body size to trend smaller
Um what
Extinction event happens, big guys go extinct, average body size is lower. Oh. I couldn't understand at first. But really, smaller carnivorans will just bounce back.
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Other carnivores have coexisted with clade Carnivora: bathornithids, Homo sp. and importantly entelodonts. Things can compete with them and eke niches.
A trend within Carnivora itself is toward repeated evolution of carnivory from generalised omnivory. Such is seen to a lesser degree in other orders, including Artiodactyla, Rodentia,etc. The problem is finding some niche empty.
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I think it is perfectly possible for boars to become full carnivores, but I doubt they would be able to be the dominant predators in an environment as long as members of Carnivora were still around.
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