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Possibility of fully armless bipedal Mammals?
Topic Started: Aug 3 2017, 09:59 AM (1,699 Views)
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In Dougal Dixon's After Man book, one concept I'm surprised never got as popular(er, became a trope like Flightless Bats, Whale Birds, ect) is the Wakka
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The book implies that South America once again became an isolated continent 25 million years from now. Given how strange island fauna can get, could something like the Wakka ever evolve? A fully bipedal therapod-like mammal with no arms.

It just seems too strange, well, most things in After Man are too strange to be true. At least in the way they are presented.
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Aug 8 2017, 11:01 PM
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Aug 8 2017, 10:41 PM
So, essential a terrestrial crocodile?
I wouldn't say that, myself. Crocodilians have some fairly specialised anatomy and adaptations that wouldn't be present in the ancestral archosaur, even if their generalised bauplans are superficially similar.

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Aug 8 2017, 10:41 PM
How far back do you have to go before the ancestor of archosaurs to be a generic lizard like animal? Because that was the ancestral form of sauropsids, and of amniotes in general.
For superficial similarity without any obvious specialisations (like the hooke-jaw in proterosuchids and so on), I'd say maybe around the base of Crocopoda, with early allokotosaurs like Pameleria and near-Archosauriformes like Prolacerta. Naturally, they still have features that ally them closer to archosaurs than to lepidosaurs, but in a generalised sense they're fairly generic. From derived archosauromorphs (i.e. Teyujagua) and into Archosauriformes, you start to see more obvious derivations of the skull and other body parts (like osteoderms) that are decidedly less generic looking.

Interesting. So archosauromorphs and lepidosauromorphs split in the mid permian?
That question cannot be answered without making assumptions who was on each side of the split within clade Sauria, else outside of it altogether. Ichthyopterygia is likely outside the split but the other three "big" diapsid groups - Sauropterygia, Testudines and Choristodera - could be on either side of it. The total group of testudines was present by the Capitanian; this is the minimum time depth for Archosauromorpha but only if you reckon testudines as saurian.
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I don't see why this would not be implausible, but it really depends on the animal's bodyshape.
As of my gender, I have every gender imaginable, some even inconceivable to your minds. I have every gender in the gender spectrum, as well as ones you cannot envision.
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There was a pathological goat born without forelimbs that survived a while and was described: though even cloven hooves are of some use in browsing (deer) so such a gene is likely to catch on only in the absence of predators or competitors. Worth mentioning for completeness, though, that one single(?) mutation can do this and either developmental plasticity or pleiotropy affects other parts of an animal's anatomy.
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