Bioluminescence in birds?

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Bioluminescence in birds?; Is it possible
Topic Started: Jul 16 2017, 11:22 PM (1,116 Views)
9Weegee	Jul 16 2017, 11:22 PM Post #1
Newborn Posts: 59 Group: Members Member #2,176 Joined: Jun 23, 2017 Gender: Male	I know that my last post was about birds, but I have another question Birds have been able to evolve many types of ways to show of their feathers, like Psittacofulvians, and Poryphyrins, but I was wondering if it's possible for birds to achieve bioluminescence. really, but what i'm asking is that, Is bioluminescence in the same group as stuff like the Tyndall effect, or Iridescence

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Beetleboy	Jul 26 2017, 12:12 PM Post #16
neither lizard nor boy nor beetle . . . but a little of all three Posts: 3,700 Group: Members Member #1,776 Joined: Oct 2, 2015 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: British Favorite Quote: In the absence of proper data, speculate wildly. Also known as: Jacob, JurassicJacob, Beetle	TrilobiteCannibal Jul 26 2017, 05:14 AM what if you had a flightless bird with ratite like feathers that has some kind of fibrous fungus growing in the feathers? or even some kind of specialized feathers along the neck or on the wings for bioluminescent larvae to live on/in. then they could another kind of specialized feathers that work like reflectors to increase the spread of the light. I guess neither of these are the bird itself being bioluminescent, but it's my best I'm actually planning on creating just such a bird, which uses bioluminescent fungi in its feathers to attract a mate in a very dark forest environment. Thinking about how I can put a bit of a twist on it though . . .
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Archeoraptor	Jul 26 2017, 01:00 PM Post #17
"A living paradox" Posts: 1,110 Group: Members Member #1,356 Joined: Mar 1, 2014 Gender: Private Nationality: Español especulativo Favorite Quote: "god knows you will finally see,scars will heal but were meant to bleed Also known as: Archeo or that guy who misspells	kusanagi Jul 20 2017, 10:00 AM Bioluminescence is not only absent in birds and amphibians but also freshwater fish. Given its rarity generally outside of marine habitats there might not be a constraint against bioluminescence among Tetrapoda. But assuming a native biochemical reaction rather than a symbiont I would assume a glangular skin or something like an oral epithelium would have to be involved and not feathers or lizard scales. Read Silcock? I'm not endorsing his conclusion but he might be of interest to the OP. http://www.owlpages.com/owls/articles.php?a=18 there are bioluminscent frehswater snails on NZ,so whatever makes frehswter fish not be bumisnicent migth have another explanation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latia
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kusanagi	Jul 26 2017, 01:53 PM Post #18
Adolescent Posts: 476 Group: Members Member #2,205 Joined: Jul 20, 2017 Gender: Female	Archeoraptor Jul 26 2017, 01:00 PM kusanagi Jul 20 2017, 10:00 AM Bioluminescence is not only absent in birds and amphibians but also freshwater fish. Given its rarity generally outside of marine habitats there might not be a constraint against bioluminescence among Tetrapoda. But assuming a native biochemical reaction rather than a symbiont I would assume a glangular skin or something like an oral epithelium would have to be involved and not feathers or lizard scales. Read Silcock? I'm not endorsing his conclusion but he might be of interest to the OP. http://www.owlpages.com/owls/articles.php?a=18 there are bioluminscent frehswater snails on NZ,so whatever makes frehswter fish not be bumisnicent migth have another explanation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latia Bioluminescence sems under positive selection mostly in the deep sea for finding prey and even there I think I am right (its OTOH) that it is used by relatively few clades. As regards vertebrates I know few clades of deep sea teleosts ever evolved hinting that it was hard for them to get down there or that early comers successfully prevented repeat colonisations. If you ask Darren Naish his friend Jon Downes claimed to have found a frog with a glowing nose at a reptile fayre but he didn't buy it assuming it was nothing especially novel. Maybe he's telling the truth because land and freshwater animals do become bioluminescent its just something extremely sporadic and rare.



IIGSY	Jul 26 2017, 02:07 PM Post #19
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