Large Mesothermic Birds?

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Large Mesothermic Birds?; How big can birds get?
Topic Started: Jul 14 2017, 11:20 AM (1,633 Views)
9Weegee	Jul 14 2017, 11:20 AM Post #1
Newborn Posts: 59 Group: Members Member #2,176 Joined: Jun 23, 2017 Gender: Male	I'm making a spec Evo project called the Lateoic, and the dominant species is birds. I want to make a large type of bird, but I need to know how big flightless birds can get.

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Gojiratheking106	Jul 15 2017, 08:51 AM Post #31
Newborn Posts: 33 Group: Members Member #2,183 Joined: Jun 30, 2017 Gender: Male Nationality: Spanish	11 degrees Celsius on average doesn't sound like Tanzania to me.



LittleLazyLass	Jul 15 2017, 09:12 AM Post #32
Proud quilt in a bag Posts: 8,639 Group: Global Mods Member #1,463 Joined: Jun 18, 2014 Area of expertise: Alternate Universes Nationality: Sorry, but why do you want to know aboot my nationality, eh? Uh... sorry, that was rude of me. Sorry. Favorite Quote: "you know you're a nerd when you search Wookieepedia for porn" Also known as: You can call me Little; full list of old names found through profile. Gender: Trans Questioning (see link in sig; feminine pronouns)	You are correct on the Nemegt Formation not being a desert. Can you please cite something that states we know where the neck integument came from? Like, a proper source, in text? A diagram has to represent it somewhere on the neck, so of course it will come off as looking like we know where it came from. I already gave you a source from someone reliable saying that the scales might not be integument, which would make the whole argument moot. Here's some more discussion on ways the fully scaly tyrannosaur idea could be wrong, read the comments. This blog posts agrees with the same sentiments that everyone here is telling you, that we just don't know. Trey the Exlainer's video is good, and you cast it aside just based on who made it rather than trying to refute any of its points.
	totally not British, b-baka! You like me (Unlike) I don't even really like this song that much but the title is pretty relatable sometimes, I guess. Me Forum user Uncanny Gemstar drew what is supposed to be a me. Thanks! Spoiler: click to toggle As they walk in, they're greeted by a small, poorly kept pathway leading to a poorly constructed Japanese-style gate. Behind this, a small field made up of corn, rice, wheat, potatoes, among other plants is contrasted by large piles of books, as well as a few rather out of place looking laptops. Off in the corner, a small woman, with long, striped, and strikingly colorful socks, no shoes, unremarkable denim shorts, a large, fancy black coat, arm warmers, glasses, a tuque, and somewhat unkempt, mid-length blue-and-pink-streaked red hair, is rummaging through a trash bin, located behind a sign saying "employees only". She continues this for a while (walking behind a wall to change her outfit now and then), until one of her visitors coughs. Startled, she looks up, apologizes, and grabs a handful of textbooks and novels before daintily running off to join them. What, you want me to tell you what these mean? Predenterra The (Lost) Lost World The Standing World Read First Clarifications on my sex and gender Sorry if I come off as rude, I don't put much thought into word choice sometimes. I'm also super prone to editing my posts, sometimes multiple times, in the minutes following posting. For the love of god, take my posts from my earlier days on the forum with a grain of salt. I was not particularly knowledgeable or mature back then. Some of them are so cringe-worthy I can't even bring myself to look at them. Words Maybe Great Words Words To Spec By It would have to be something extremely alien, pushing the limits of our imagination. But those are always my favorite kinds of life. ~~The Words of The Xenologist Words To Live By Ignorance is never insulting if you're willing to learn, we're all ignorant about most things. ~~The Words of Lamna Words I Live By Yeah, and even if you don't agree with creationists on that concept, that doesn't mean they can't be decent people. I have friends who are creationist (possibly even young earth) that I get along with fine in general life. I don't think they're right of course, but that doesn't make them intellectual degenerates. ~~The Words of forbidden3 Member Quotes jman123 Ass-breathing fish-lizards? Sounds like a punk rock band Sheather "Holy fucking shit a toilet paper roll! Our favorite thing!" Urufumarukai Tyrannosaurus aquastronka Kamineigh Myo, if you don't stop reading the YouTube comments... Lamna Are you saying what I think you're saying? Sheather bathes in cum? Cephylus And last night I dreamed I was blowing up a Kindergarten with a grenade launcher for no particular reason... revin Oh, and of course more people get killed by selfies than by sharks. Of course. Parasky SHEEEEAAAAATTTTTTHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! whachamacalit2 The smell of rotting flesh really kills my appetite, surprising, but the visual appearance of corpses makes me hungry. Is that weird? Ebervalius I mean, let us say I'm a genderfluid blurflux demi-romantic woman who is sexually attracted to men, but only if they are Melanesian and have a voice like that of Nicholas Cage. Okay, so what? trex841 When I first saw that picture, I thought you were dissecting a condom. Mr Mysterio All hail Robo-Stalin. Peashyjah Seems like everything in this project is now dead. Stealth Rock Seagulls are pretty much trees, right? Watcher We all must finish chapters of our lives to go on to the next. Sometime this means leaving behind versions of ourselves that don't want to die. Yiqi15 For April fool's, we had to make an orgasm that resembled a human foot. Flisch im the black market CaledonianWarrior96 He was a skater birb, she said tweet you later birb Most People at Some Point Quotes Some dude called plucas1 from Youtube comments Funny, isn't it, that our world needs Clark Kent a lot more than Superman. Xenoblade Chronicles Even though he is our creator, that does not afford him the right to take our lives on a whim. But that is the thinking of a homs. He is a god. Such morals cannot apply to gods. So you think we should just shut up and die?! If that is the fate decided by a god. You are mistaken if you think we will simply accept such a fate and wait to die. We'll never stop fighting. Not till the end. To Zanza, the outcome is the same. Thus your logic is flawed. Hades - Kid Icarus Uprising When freaky aliens give you lemons, make freaky alien lemonade. Kid Icarus Uprising But Souls are delicious. They're like bacon - they taste good on anything. But if you eat them, you completely remove them from existence! They can't move on or... or be reincarnated! Huh. I never really gave it much thought. Besides, what do you mean by reincarnation anyway? You know, being reborn as someone or something else. Which means different body, different memories, different experiences, yes? So isn't being reborn as "something else" the same as being "removed from existence"? I... I... eating souls isn't right! That depends on your definition of "right". All living things survive by eating other living things. So what? You're a god. You should be above all that! Gods are above living things, which doesn't necessarily mean we care about them. Some Dude on BBC Two You are being shagged... by a flightless parrot. Stuff http://imgur.com/gallery/Tshu9


Gojiratheking106	Jul 15 2017, 09:21 AM Post #33
Newborn Posts: 33 Group: Members Member #2,183 Joined: Jun 30, 2017 Gender: Male Nationality: Spanish	I think we should take this to another topic or something tho. This was about Mega birds.



Dragonthunders	Jul 15 2017, 09:36 AM Post #34
The ethereal archosaur in blue Posts: 3,039 Group: Global Mods Member #690 Joined: Jan 22, 2012 Gender: Male Nationality: Salvadoran Favorite Quote: "There is only one war that can afford the human being: the war against their extinction" Isaac Asimov Also known as: DT, thunders Gender: still male	It would be the most appropriate thing, however it seems to me that he only tries to keep the point of tyrannosaurs were completely scaly for reasons unknown to me, I am already doubting that this conversation will reach to somewhere, I emphasize it as he is inferring the Climate of the areas where each specimen was found were warm and more by this phrase Quote: Also yutyrannus is not a tyrannosaur, its a very large proceratosaur. I'm little sure that it was classified as a Tirannosauroid. For me it seems that for him the feathers in tyrannosaurs do not fit.
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Gojiratheking106	Jul 15 2017, 09:40 AM Post #35
Newborn Posts: 33 Group: Members Member #2,183 Joined: Jun 30, 2017 Gender: Male Nationality: Spanish	Proceratosauria is within Tyrannodauroidea, so yeah, it's kinda like cats and tigers. Note in kinda.



LittleLazyLass	Jul 15 2017, 09:48 AM Post #36
Proud quilt in a bag Posts: 8,639 Group: Global Mods Member #1,463 Joined: Jun 18, 2014 Area of expertise: Alternate Universes Nationality: Sorry, but why do you want to know aboot my nationality, eh? Uh... sorry, that was rude of me. Sorry. Favorite Quote: "you know you're a nerd when you search Wookieepedia for porn" Also known as: You can call me Little; full list of old names found through profile. Gender: Trans Questioning (see link in sig; feminine pronouns)	Yutyrannus as a proceratosaur has been suggested, but it's hard to say whether that or a position closer to Tyrannosauridae is more correct.
	totally not British, b-baka! You like me (Unlike) I don't even really like this song that much but the title is pretty relatable sometimes, I guess. Me Forum user Uncanny Gemstar drew what is supposed to be a me. Thanks! Spoiler: click to toggle As they walk in, they're greeted by a small, poorly kept pathway leading to a poorly constructed Japanese-style gate. Behind this, a small field made up of corn, rice, wheat, potatoes, among other plants is contrasted by large piles of books, as well as a few rather out of place looking laptops. Off in the corner, a small woman, with long, striped, and strikingly colorful socks, no shoes, unremarkable denim shorts, a large, fancy black coat, arm warmers, glasses, a tuque, and somewhat unkempt, mid-length blue-and-pink-streaked red hair, is rummaging through a trash bin, located behind a sign saying "employees only". She continues this for a while (walking behind a wall to change her outfit now and then), until one of her visitors coughs. Startled, she looks up, apologizes, and grabs a handful of textbooks and novels before daintily running off to join them. What, you want me to tell you what these mean? Predenterra The (Lost) Lost World The Standing World Read First Clarifications on my sex and gender Sorry if I come off as rude, I don't put much thought into word choice sometimes. I'm also super prone to editing my posts, sometimes multiple times, in the minutes following posting. For the love of god, take my posts from my earlier days on the forum with a grain of salt. I was not particularly knowledgeable or mature back then. Some of them are so cringe-worthy I can't even bring myself to look at them. Words Maybe Great Words Words To Spec By It would have to be something extremely alien, pushing the limits of our imagination. But those are always my favorite kinds of life. ~~The Words of The Xenologist Words To Live By Ignorance is never insulting if you're willing to learn, we're all ignorant about most things. ~~The Words of Lamna Words I Live By Yeah, and even if you don't agree with creationists on that concept, that doesn't mean they can't be decent people. I have friends who are creationist (possibly even young earth) that I get along with fine in general life. I don't think they're right of course, but that doesn't make them intellectual degenerates. ~~The Words of forbidden3 Member Quotes jman123 Ass-breathing fish-lizards? Sounds like a punk rock band Sheather "Holy fucking shit a toilet paper roll! Our favorite thing!" Urufumarukai Tyrannosaurus aquastronka Kamineigh Myo, if you don't stop reading the YouTube comments... Lamna Are you saying what I think you're saying? Sheather bathes in cum? Cephylus And last night I dreamed I was blowing up a Kindergarten with a grenade launcher for no particular reason... revin Oh, and of course more people get killed by selfies than by sharks. Of course. Parasky SHEEEEAAAAATTTTTTHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! whachamacalit2 The smell of rotting flesh really kills my appetite, surprising, but the visual appearance of corpses makes me hungry. Is that weird? Ebervalius I mean, let us say I'm a genderfluid blurflux demi-romantic woman who is sexually attracted to men, but only if they are Melanesian and have a voice like that of Nicholas Cage. Okay, so what? trex841 When I first saw that picture, I thought you were dissecting a condom. Mr Mysterio All hail Robo-Stalin. Peashyjah Seems like everything in this project is now dead. Stealth Rock Seagulls are pretty much trees, right? Watcher We all must finish chapters of our lives to go on to the next. Sometime this means leaving behind versions of ourselves that don't want to die. Yiqi15 For April fool's, we had to make an orgasm that resembled a human foot. Flisch im the black market CaledonianWarrior96 He was a skater birb, she said tweet you later birb Most People at Some Point Quotes Some dude called plucas1 from Youtube comments Funny, isn't it, that our world needs Clark Kent a lot more than Superman. Xenoblade Chronicles Even though he is our creator, that does not afford him the right to take our lives on a whim. But that is the thinking of a homs. He is a god. Such morals cannot apply to gods. So you think we should just shut up and die?! If that is the fate decided by a god. You are mistaken if you think we will simply accept such a fate and wait to die. We'll never stop fighting. Not till the end. To Zanza, the outcome is the same. Thus your logic is flawed. Hades - Kid Icarus Uprising When freaky aliens give you lemons, make freaky alien lemonade. Kid Icarus Uprising But Souls are delicious. They're like bacon - they taste good on anything. But if you eat them, you completely remove them from existence! They can't move on or... or be reincarnated! Huh. I never really gave it much thought. Besides, what do you mean by reincarnation anyway? You know, being reborn as someone or something else. Which means different body, different memories, different experiences, yes? So isn't being reborn as "something else" the same as being "removed from existence"? I... I... eating souls isn't right! That depends on your definition of "right". All living things survive by eating other living things. So what? You're a god. You should be above all that! Gods are above living things, which doesn't necessarily mean we care about them. Some Dude on BBC Two You are being shagged... by a flightless parrot. Stuff http://imgur.com/gallery/Tshu9


Nyarlathotep	Jul 15 2017, 09:55 AM Post #37
The Creeping Chaos Posts: 1,301 Group: Members Member #1,358 Joined: Mar 2, 2014 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: English Gender: Redundant much redundant?	Yeah phylogenetic branching is not always that reliable for determining things such as integument. Spinosaurus for example clearly bucks the trend of long legs on Spinosaurids. So it's possible that nanuqsaurus was indeed feathered on a convergent way with Yutyrannus, while T.rex mostly lacked them.



9Weegee	Jul 15 2017, 11:32 AM Post #38
Newborn Posts: 59 Group: Members Member #2,176 Joined: Jun 23, 2017 Gender: Male	Let's get back into the bird discussion.



Nyarlathotep	Jul 15 2017, 12:17 PM Post #39
The Creeping Chaos Posts: 1,301 Group: Members Member #1,358 Joined: Mar 2, 2014 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: English Gender: Redundant much redundant?	I stand by my first statement in that case. I think feathered or not depends on the environment. Feathers are better at regulating than fur, but they still have a limit as to how necessary they are.



kusanagi	Jul 20 2017, 10:56 AM Post #40
Adolescent Posts: 476 Group: Members Member #2,205 Joined: Jul 20, 2017 Gender: Female	OTOH only, modern birds never got larger than the largest elephant birds, mihirungs and moas all of which GSP claims are of a similar weight. There was a paper arguing why this is the upper size constraint but if so, re-evolving a long tail ought to be a much easier workaround than re-evolving teeth or grasping hands.



WaterWitch	Jul 20 2017, 11:06 AM Post #41
Might manage to hold down a project some day Posts: 280 Group: Members Member #585 Joined: Jun 27, 2011 Area of expertise: Alternate Evolution Nationality: American Favorite Quote: "Lumping is just a cheap tactic to make weak taxa stronger" ~DK1000 Also known as: Dilophoraptor Gender: Will get back to you on this	9Weegee Jul 15 2017, 08:30 AM Also yutyrannus is not a tyrannosaur, its a very large proceratosaur. Hell creek and the Nemegt formation were pretty similar in climate. (The nemegt formation is what tarbo is from.) Think of hell creek like the Louisiana bayous, and the nemegt is a wetland similar to Tanzania. The two medicine and other formations in Canada don't really have any cold areas. Remember that the Cretaceous was warmer than today. Protoceratosaurids are within Tyrannosauroidea, So they're somewhat similar to the ancestral forms to Tyrannosaurids. I've also heard something of back impressions of Albertosaurus having some of follicles, which might suggest feathers.
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