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The Perittocene; Yep, new project...
Topic Started: Apr 16 2017, 07:36 PM (1,663 Views)
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The Perittocene

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The morning is crisp and warm. The flowers are just blooming, the grass rustling with growth and life. Birds can be heard singing their hearts out. Some new, some old. A male British Formicoduck has just gone into mating colours, searching for a mate. Little to his knowledge, the insectivore has disturbed a giant predator.

This is the European Crocomole. He is huge for his kind, and is ancient to. Startled, the Formicoduck flashes his head-crests, warning the Crocomole to back off. Annoyed, the Crocomole lets loose a loud bark, that sends the Formicoduck packing. Otherwise, this has been a normal day for the Formicoduck, who has been searching for a mate throughout the morning light.

Other critters begin to stir. Unlike the Crocomole, these animals have not been disturbed from their slumber. A juvenile Pygmy Slothbird opens his eyes from his tree-top slumber. Shifting his body ever so slightly, he begins his cycle once again. The bird seems to have heard the argument between the Formicoduck and the Crocomole. There is something that one should note, though.

What about the usual fauna of Europe? Where’s the giant Mammals that once roamed here, such as the Deer, Bison, or Bear? They’re all gone. They vanished a long time ago. Now, new, weirder creatures held up their domain.


Imagine a world beyond imagination. One would think that such a world only belongs in an alien planet or alternate timeline. But, to ones’ surprise, this is, in fact, the future. All of earths climates have been marginally unchanged, one would find. As in the above narration, the most notable differences are the most visible forms of life, such as various “Reptiles”, birds, and mammals. In fact, it seems as though birds have out competed mammals in some instances. The events leading up to the evolution of such bizarre fauna have been described as adaptive evolution. It seems as though the vague demise of Man has allowed fauna to bounce back in an odd variety of forms. Whilst the fall of man has removed a lot of species, those that survived now have a chance to thrive.

This is the Perittocene, the "odd era."

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Ragnaroks

Why are hippo descendants named after an event in Norse mythology? You didn't even say they appear in northern Europe.

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How? The answer would surprise one. After the demise of man sometime in the future, there was little to no competition in Africa. What amazes one even further is the fact that the Pygmy Hippopotamus survived such an event. The reason for this is currently unknown, maybe due to conservation efforts.

Pygmy hippos survive, but literally every other established carnivore in Africa dies out, even the more common, well, common hippopotamus?

Conservation doesn't make sense as an explanation here.

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These diverse omnivores usually have either fox-like niches or pig like niches, due to others being stolen from them, by the likes of Ukusolas, their porcine counterparts.

Wait, if pigs survived, why aren't they in the pig-niches? Why aren't they prominent predators, which we know they engage in that behaviour relatively often? This situation doesn't make any sense.

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Didn't hippos come from carnivorous ancestors?

No, most likely omnivorous. Even entelodonts were omnivores, as were early relatives of whales.

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Cetancodontamorpha

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Dentition? They have giant sharp teeth.


I don't think you understand what he means. Predators have specialized dentition, made for hunting. Hippos don't have those characteristics, their teeth are more adapted for fighting rivals and grazing on vegatation. That doesn't mean they can't use them for other things, but they're not adapted for it and if becoming hypothetically predatory would most likely change their teeth.

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Plus, hippos have been observed eating corpses. There's even a video of a hippo taking a living impala.

There's clips of other herbivores eating animals, like a cow grabbing and eating a chicken, or a deer eating a bird. The reason they're not considered predators or omnivores is because that's considered weird behaviour, and mainly occurs because they lack some sort of nutrient like calcium in their diet.

Additionally, there is no recorded case of pygmy hippos engaging in the behaviour. They may do it, but there's no evidence that I can find that suggests they do.
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Plus, hippos have been observed eating corpses. There's even a video of a hippo taking a living impala.

There's clips of other herbivores eating animals, like a cow grabbing and eating a chicken, or a deer eating a bird. The reason they're not considered predators or omnivores is because that's considered weird behaviour, and mainly occurs because they lack some sort of nutrient like calcium in their diet.

Additionally, there is no recorded case of pygmy hippos engaging in the behaviour. They may do it, but there's no evidence that I can find that suggests they do.
Not saying this means hippos are carnivores. I'm saying this is a plausible pathway towards carnivory. There's even a video of a hippo stealing a kill from a crocodile (which I remember seeing but can't seem to find at the moment).
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I'm saying this is a plausible pathway towards carnivory. There's even a video of a hippo stealing a kill from a crocodile (which I remember seeing but can't seem to find at the moment).

Is only plausible when there are the right conditions to allow such behavior to emerge, hippos are too specialized to be able to radically change their eating behavior even if they survived for another 50 million years.
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I'm saying this is a plausible pathway towards carnivory. There's even a video of a hippo stealing a kill from a crocodile (which I remember seeing but can't seem to find at the moment).

Is only plausible when there are the right conditions to allow such behavior to emerge, hippos are too specialized to be able to radically change their eating behavior even if they survived for another 50 million years.
Well, I'm not entirely sure what caused Man's demise in the Perittocene. I'm currently thinking along the lines of a specific disease, hence why I don't have a survivors list thought up yet.

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A couple things. First of all, if an extinction event was so severe that it wiped out every single predator in Africa, it would definitely wipe out megafauna like hippos, regardless of conservation efforts. Plus, there are many other animals more likely to become carnivorous than hippos. In addition, exposed teeth on a mammal are unlikely, since it would cause the enamel to break down. Tusks are a little different, but hippos don't have tusks.


Ragnaroks are meant to be Omnivores. Only the Absolute Ragnarok is meant to be mostly carnivorous. Should edit that in the final sentence.
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Ragnaroks

Why are hippo descendants named after an event in Norse mythology? You didn't even say they appear in northern Europe.

Dapper Man
 
How? The answer would surprise one. After the demise of man sometime in the future, there was little to no competition in Africa. What amazes one even further is the fact that the Pygmy Hippopotamus survived such an event. The reason for this is currently unknown, maybe due to conservation efforts.

Pygmy hippos survive, but literally every other established carnivore in Africa dies out, even the more common, well, common hippopotamus?

Conservation doesn't make sense as an explanation here.

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These diverse omnivores usually have either fox-like niches or pig like niches, due to others being stolen from them, by the likes of Ukusolas, their porcine counterparts.

Wait, if pigs survived, why aren't they in the pig-niches? Why aren't they prominent predators, which we know they engage in that behaviour relatively often? This situation doesn't make any sense.

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Didn't hippos come from carnivorous ancestors?

No, most likely omnivorous. Even entelodonts were omnivores, as were early relatives of whales.

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hippo-whale-entelodont clade

Cetancodontamorpha

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Dentition? They have giant sharp teeth.


I don't think you understand what he means. Predators have specialized dentition, made for hunting. Hippos don't have those characteristics, their teeth are more adapted for fighting rivals and grazing on vegatation. That doesn't mean they can't use them for other things, but they're not adapted for it and if becoming hypothetically predatory would most likely change their teeth.

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Plus, hippos have been observed eating corpses. There's even a video of a hippo taking a living impala.

There's clips of other herbivores eating animals, like a cow grabbing and eating a chicken, or a deer eating a bird. The reason they're not considered predators or omnivores is because that's considered weird behaviour, and mainly occurs because they lack some sort of nutrient like calcium in their diet.

Additionally, there is no recorded case of pygmy hippos engaging in the behaviour. They may do it, but there's no evidence that I can find that suggests they do.
1. It felt right to name them like that at the time.

2. Again, not sure on Humanities demise at the moment.

3. Other predators have survived in Africa, but currently working on it.

4. Yep, they're omnivorous. I based Ragnaroks mostly of Entelodonts and Andrewsarchus

5. Ragnaroks mostly scavenge. They're essentially both the Entelodonts and Bears of the Perittocene.

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1. It felt right to name them like that at the time.

A bit of a strange choice. That's like having some species in the heart of Africa named after Odin, or a northern European species named after some African deity worshiped in the Congo. It doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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2. Again, not sure on Humanities demise at the moment.

That's a pretty important point of the project, wouldn't it make sense to deal with that so you can be certain what creatures would exist by the time when the project begins?
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3. Other predators have survived in Africa, but currently working on it.

Again, that's pretty important to deal with.

How much work have you done on the project before posting it?

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4. Yep, they're omnivorous. I based Ragnaroks mostly of Entelodonts and Andrewsarchus

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5. Ragnaroks mostly scavenge. They're essentially both the Entelodonts and Bears of the Perittocene.

None of this answers why pygmy hippos exist but common hippos don't, or why pigs don't fill these niches that you would expect to fill.
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1. It felt right to name them like that at the time.

A bit of a strange choice. That's like having some species in the heart of Africa named after Odin, or a northern European species named after some African deity worshiped in the Congo. It doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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2. Again, not sure on Humanities demise at the moment.

That's a pretty important point of the project, wouldn't it make sense to deal with that so you can be certain what creatures would exist by the time when the project begins?
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3. Other predators have survived in Africa, but currently working on it.

Again, that's pretty important to deal with.

How much work have you done on the project before posting it?

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4. Yep, they're omnivorous. I based Ragnaroks mostly of Entelodonts and Andrewsarchus

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5. Ragnaroks mostly scavenge. They're essentially both the Entelodonts and Bears of the Perittocene.

None of this answers why pygmy hippos exist but common hippos don't, or why pigs don't fill these niches that you would expect to fill.
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1. True, but it just felt fitting for some reason.

2. I have a few ideas, but I have to write them down.

3. It's going to be specifically vague for the sake of the project.

4. Now that I think about it, others might be Civets, some cats, and the like.
Also, I've been working on it a lot in my spare time. Perhaps for the past couple of months.

5. True. Currently working on another reason. The project is meant to be a thought exercise. I've wanted to use unexpected critters for this project, hence the name of the project.
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