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3 Simple steps to make plausible giant arthropods; without having to drastically change their anatomy
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If we can say 'invertebrate', then why can't we say 'non annelid' or 'not mollusk'?

But, nobody is stopping you. ._.
Yeah, I know that. But I was asking why most people use "invertebrate", but no those terms.
because its easier than saying the names of a dozen phyla, when we're trying to ask a short question.

"Which invertabrate is the most adorable?"

vs

"Which gastropod, annelid, hemichordate, chaetognath, peripatid, or - ah frack it, I can't spell the other ones."
But why make a word specifically to distinguish vertebrates from all other animals, and do the same to other animal groups.
because we did. there is no deep reason for it.

maybe you'd prefer a return to when half of all the phyla were simply called Vermes (worms)
Please don't bring that horrid group up.
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Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
Last one crawling: The last arthropod

ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)

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Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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so, instead of using the megafauna to refer to it, you want to use tribes and zoological distrobution?


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simply use the name from geological timescale and avoid the question completely.


means just that. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand there. Cretaceous, Paleozoic, Pliocene, Maastrichtian, there we go, nice and simple, no fauna being horribly discriminated against.

I also don't get the obsession with things being 'The Age of XYZ', it isn't official in any way. Yes it is subjective, no it doesn't matter that much if someone wants to describe sometime as 'The Age of...' not sure why some people make so much of it.

How has this topic deviated so much from talking about big arthropods?
true, saying "cretaceous" doesn't discriminate...its also incredably vague - T.rex is temporally closer to humans than to anything in the Jurassic.

and if you ask someone, "what is the Maastrichtian?", most people will give a blank look. if you ask "What is the Cretaceous?", they'll say "the Age of Dinosaurs." (or a part of it)

and you're the one obsessing over "the Age of (insert noun here)"
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The proterozoic and phanerozoic is the age of life. Problem solved.
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Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
Last one crawling: The last arthropod

ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)

Potential ideas-
Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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If we can say 'invertebrate', then why can't we say 'non annelid' or 'not mollusk'?

But, nobody is stopping you. ._.
Yeah, I know that. But I was asking why most people use "invertebrate", but no those terms.
because its easier than saying the names of a dozen phyla, when we're trying to ask a short question.

"Which invertabrate is the most adorable?"

vs

"Which gastropod, annelid, hemichordate, chaetognath, peripatid, or - ah frack it, I can't spell the other ones."
But why make a word specifically to distinguish vertebrates from all other animals
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the word "invertebrate" comes from a time when taxonomy wasn't as advanced as it was today, and people thought all "invertebreates" were related. Similar to how we today think all protostomes had one single ancestor and all deuterostomes too. In order to categorize those within their own rank, a word had to be made up. And that word stuck.
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If we can say 'invertebrate', then why can't we say 'non annelid' or 'not mollusk'?

But, nobody is stopping you. ._.
Yeah, I know that. But I was asking why most people use "invertebrate", but no those terms.
because its easier than saying the names of a dozen phyla, when we're trying to ask a short question.

"Which invertabrate is the most adorable?"

vs

"Which gastropod, annelid, hemichordate, chaetognath, peripatid, or - ah frack it, I can't spell the other ones."
But why make a word specifically to distinguish vertebrates from all other animals
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the word "invertebrate" comes from a time when taxonomy wasn't as advanced as it was today, and people thought all "invertebreates" were related. Similar to how we today think all protostomes had one single ancestor and all deuterostomes too. In order to categorize those within their own rank, a word had to be made up. And that word stuck.
Well, now we have protostomes and dueterostomes
Projects
Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
Last one crawling: The last arthropod

ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)

Potential ideas-
Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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If we can say 'invertebrate', then why can't we say 'non annelid' or 'not mollusk'?

But, nobody is stopping you. ._.
Yeah, I know that. But I was asking why most people use "invertebrate", but no those terms.
because its easier than saying the names of a dozen phyla, when we're trying to ask a short question.

"Which invertabrate is the most adorable?"

vs

"Which gastropod, annelid, hemichordate, chaetognath, peripatid, or - ah frack it, I can't spell the other ones."
But why make a word specifically to distinguish vertebrates from all other animals
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the word "invertebrate" comes from a time when taxonomy wasn't as advanced as it was today, and people thought all "invertebreates" were related. Similar to how we today think all protostomes had one single ancestor and all deuterostomes too. In order to categorize those within their own rank, a word had to be made up. And that word stuck.
Well, now we have protostomes and dueterostomes
good luck getting those in school textbooks. and it'll be even less likely to become something most people use in casual conversation.

(and not just because saying "I've got a protostomes problem" sounds like its worse than a rash in the private parts)
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If we can say 'invertebrate', then why can't we say 'non annelid' or 'not mollusk'?

But, nobody is stopping you. ._.
Yeah, I know that. But I was asking why most people use "invertebrate", but no those terms.
because its easier than saying the names of a dozen phyla, when we're trying to ask a short question.

"Which invertabrate is the most adorable?"

vs

"Which gastropod, annelid, hemichordate, chaetognath, peripatid, or - ah frack it, I can't spell the other ones."
But why make a word specifically to distinguish vertebrates from all other animals
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the word "invertebrate" comes from a time when taxonomy wasn't as advanced as it was today, and people thought all "invertebreates" were related. Similar to how we today think all protostomes had one single ancestor and all deuterostomes too. In order to categorize those within their own rank, a word had to be made up. And that word stuck.
Well, now we have protostomes and dueterostomes
good luck getting those in school textbooks. and it'll be even less likely to become something most people use in casual conversation.

(and not just because saying "I've got a protostomes problem" sounds like its worse than a rash in the private parts)
Well, we can try. Lets sign a petition. Let's through a coop and take over the government so we can make sure that every single thing about biology is up to date.
Projects
Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
Last one crawling: The last arthropod

ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)

Potential ideas-
Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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Phylogeny of the arthropods and some related groups


In honor of the greatest clade of all time


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No thanks I'll stick to nice less complicated words like invertebrates meaning everything without a back bone. I don't even know what half of those words mean.
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No thanks I'll stick to nice less complicated words like invertebrates meaning everything without a back bone. I don't even know what half of those words mean.
Ok, have fun with your paraphyletic group! :D
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Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
Last one crawling: The last arthropod

ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)

Potential ideas-
Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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Phylogeny of the arthropods and some related groups


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But if you want to know the meaning, protostomes is everything closer to arthropods than to chordata. Deuterostomes is everything closer to chordates than arthropods.
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Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
Last one crawling: The last arthropod

ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)

Potential ideas-
Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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Let's be pragmatic with what we call things. Ie, unless you're writing a technical piece for a technical audience call things by what most people will understand.
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But if you want to know the meaning, protostomes is everything closer to arthropods than to chordata. Deuterostomes is everything closer to chordates than arthropods.

That's not true. Cnidaria and sponges are neither.

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Nov 18 2016, 06:40 AM
Let's be pragmatic with what we call things. Ie, unless you're writing a technical piece for a technical audience call things by what most people will understand.

Dinosaurs and birds. :P
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But if you want to know the meaning, protostomes is everything closer to arthropods than to chordata. Deuterostomes is everything closer to chordates than arthropods.

That's not true. Cnidaria and sponges are neither.

Holben
Nov 18 2016, 06:40 AM
Let's be pragmatic with what we call things. Ie, unless you're writing a technical piece for a technical audience call things by what most people will understand.

Dinosaurs and birds. :P
Yes, I know cnidarians and sponges are not bilaterans. What's your point? I never said that all animals are bilaterans. But, within bilatera, everything closer to arthropods and mollusks are protostomes, and everything closer to chordates are deuterostomes.
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Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
Last one crawling: The last arthropod

ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)

Potential ideas-
Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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But, within bilatera, everything closer to arthropods and mollusks are protostomes, and everything closer to chordates are deuterostomes.

Except maybe for orthonectida, Dicyemida (Rhombozoa) and Chaetognatha (arrow worms)

I feel that this conversation is now becoming a dead end, each person has its way of calling certain animal groups depending of the context, if someone want to get to something deeper and focused then name specific groups.


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But, within bilatera, everything closer to arthropods and mollusks are protostomes, and everything closer to chordates are deuterostomes.

Except maybe for orthonectida, Dicyemida (Rhombozoa) and Chaetognatha (arrow worms)

I feel that this conversation is now becoming a dead end, each person has its way of calling certain animal groups depending of the context, if someone want to get to something deeper and focused then name specific groups.


Actually, those are protostomes.
Projects
Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates
Last one crawling: The last arthropod

ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)

Potential ideas-
Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized.
Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal.
Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.

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