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Topic Started: Nov 6 2016, 12:28 PM (19,616 Views)
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Feb 26 2017, 08:26 PM
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"Amphibians" are monophyletic and amniotes don't exist. They are figments of our imaginations.
Dinosaurs did not have feathers.
Carl Linnaeus was right about everything.
Longisquama is a pterosaur.
Everything the public likes to call dinosaurs is indeed a dinosaur.
Shrimp aren't crustaceans, but actually late surviving anomalocarids.
All fossils are hoaxes.
Pill millipede are actually derived trilobites.
The north pacific tree octopus is real.
Pinnepids, sirenians, cetaceans, mosasaurs, ichthyosaurs, plesiosaurs, metriorhynchids, sea snakes and turtles form a monophyletic group and are derived from rhizodont fish, therefore not being tetrapods.
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Projects Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates Last one crawling: The last arthropod
ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)
Potential ideas- Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized. Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal. Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.
Quotes "Arthropod respiratory systems aren't really "inefficient", they're just better suited to their body size. It would be quite inefficient for a tiny creature that can easily get all the oxygen it needs through passive diffusion to have a respiratory system that wastes energy on muscles that pump air into sacs. (Hence why lungless salamanders, uniquely miniscule and hyperabundant tetrapods, have ditched their lungs in favor of breathing with their skin and buccal mucous membranes.) But large, active insects already use muscles to pump air in and out of their spiracles, and I don't see why their tracheae couldn't develop pseudo- lungs if other conditions pressured them to grow larger."-HangingTheif
"Considering the lifespans of modern non- insect arthropods (decade-old old millipedes, 50 year old tarantulas, 100+ year old lobsters) I wouldn't be surprised if Arthropleura had a lifespan exceeding that of a large testudine"-HangingTheif
"Humans have a tribal mindset and it's not alien for tribes to war on each other. I mean, look at the atrocities chimpanzee tribes do to each other. Most of people's groupings and big conflicts in history are directly or obliquely manifestations of this tribal mindset."-Sceynyos-yis
"He's the leader of the bunch You know his Coconut Gun is finally back to fire in spurts. His Coconut Gun Can make you smile If he shoots ya it's firing in spurts. His Coconut Gun Is bigger, faster, stronger too! He's the gun member of the Coconut Crew! HUH!
C.G.! Coconut Gun! C.G.! Co-Coconut Gun! Shoot yourself with a Coconut Gun! HUH!"-Kamineigh
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"In Summary: Piss on Lovecraft's racist grave by making lewds of Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep.
Then eat arby's and embrace the void."-Kamineigh
"Dougal Dixon rule 34."-Sayornis
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Feb 26 2017, 08:32 PM
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Haematothermia is a monophyletic grouping uniting Synapsids (Mammals and their ancestors) with Archosauromorphs (Turtles, Birds, Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Pterosaurs, and Plesiosaurs).
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Go to Crurotheria:A world of Killer Rodents,Notosuchid Elephants,and Sirenian Hippos: http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/5035229/1/
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Feb 26 2017, 11:23 PM
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Haematothermia is a monophyletic grouping uniting Synapsids (Mammals and their ancestors) with Archosauromorphs (Turtles, Birds, Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Pterosaurs, and Plesiosaurs). So, basically David Peter's archosauromorpha?
(Wait, has the position of turtles and plesiosaurs even been confirmed yet?)
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Projects Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates Last one crawling: The last arthropod
ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)
Potential ideas- Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized. Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal. Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.
Quotes "Arthropod respiratory systems aren't really "inefficient", they're just better suited to their body size. It would be quite inefficient for a tiny creature that can easily get all the oxygen it needs through passive diffusion to have a respiratory system that wastes energy on muscles that pump air into sacs. (Hence why lungless salamanders, uniquely miniscule and hyperabundant tetrapods, have ditched their lungs in favor of breathing with their skin and buccal mucous membranes.) But large, active insects already use muscles to pump air in and out of their spiracles, and I don't see why their tracheae couldn't develop pseudo- lungs if other conditions pressured them to grow larger."-HangingTheif
"Considering the lifespans of modern non- insect arthropods (decade-old old millipedes, 50 year old tarantulas, 100+ year old lobsters) I wouldn't be surprised if Arthropleura had a lifespan exceeding that of a large testudine"-HangingTheif
"Humans have a tribal mindset and it's not alien for tribes to war on each other. I mean, look at the atrocities chimpanzee tribes do to each other. Most of people's groupings and big conflicts in history are directly or obliquely manifestations of this tribal mindset."-Sceynyos-yis
"He's the leader of the bunch You know his Coconut Gun is finally back to fire in spurts. His Coconut Gun Can make you smile If he shoots ya it's firing in spurts. His Coconut Gun Is bigger, faster, stronger too! He's the gun member of the Coconut Crew! HUH!
C.G.! Coconut Gun! C.G.! Co-Coconut Gun! Shoot yourself with a Coconut Gun! HUH!"-Kamineigh
"RIP, rest in Peytoia."-Little
"In Summary: Piss on Lovecraft's racist grave by making lewds of Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep.
Then eat arby's and embrace the void."-Kamineigh
"Dougal Dixon rule 34."-Sayornis
Phylogeny of the arthropods and some related groups
In honor of the greatest clade of all time
More pictures
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All African countries can fit into Brazil
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Feb 26 2017, 11:58 PM
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IIRC, turtles and plesiosaurs are either placed directly next to Archosauria as the Pantestudines, or turtles are within Parareptilia and plesiosaurs are just stuck somewhere in Diapsida.
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Feb 27 2017, 12:21 AM
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IIRC, turtles and plesiosaurs are either placed directly next to Archosauria as the Pantestudines, or turtles are within Parareptilia and plesiosaurs are just stuck somewhere in Diapsida. Where do ichthyosaurs fit?
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Projects Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates Last one crawling: The last arthropod
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Potential ideas- Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized. Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal. Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.
Quotes "Arthropod respiratory systems aren't really "inefficient", they're just better suited to their body size. It would be quite inefficient for a tiny creature that can easily get all the oxygen it needs through passive diffusion to have a respiratory system that wastes energy on muscles that pump air into sacs. (Hence why lungless salamanders, uniquely miniscule and hyperabundant tetrapods, have ditched their lungs in favor of breathing with their skin and buccal mucous membranes.) But large, active insects already use muscles to pump air in and out of their spiracles, and I don't see why their tracheae couldn't develop pseudo- lungs if other conditions pressured them to grow larger."-HangingTheif
"Considering the lifespans of modern non- insect arthropods (decade-old old millipedes, 50 year old tarantulas, 100+ year old lobsters) I wouldn't be surprised if Arthropleura had a lifespan exceeding that of a large testudine"-HangingTheif
"Humans have a tribal mindset and it's not alien for tribes to war on each other. I mean, look at the atrocities chimpanzee tribes do to each other. Most of people's groupings and big conflicts in history are directly or obliquely manifestations of this tribal mindset."-Sceynyos-yis
"He's the leader of the bunch You know his Coconut Gun is finally back to fire in spurts. His Coconut Gun Can make you smile If he shoots ya it's firing in spurts. His Coconut Gun Is bigger, faster, stronger too! He's the gun member of the Coconut Crew! HUH!
C.G.! Coconut Gun! C.G.! Co-Coconut Gun! Shoot yourself with a Coconut Gun! HUH!"-Kamineigh
"RIP, rest in Peytoia."-Little
"In Summary: Piss on Lovecraft's racist grave by making lewds of Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep.
Then eat arby's and embrace the void."-Kamineigh
"Dougal Dixon rule 34."-Sayornis
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Feb 27 2017, 12:33 AM
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Where do ichthyosaurs fit? The closest we can figure out is that they're neodiapsids of some sort, but that's about it. Ichthyosauromorphs just sort of show up in the fossil record already pretty derived and lacking any obvious features that would reveal their ancestry.
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Feb 27 2017, 06:40 AM
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Where do ichthyosaurs fit?
The closest we can figure out is that they're neodiapsids of some sort, but that's about it. Ichthyosauromorphs just sort of show up in the fossil record already pretty derived and lacking any obvious features that would reveal their ancestry. "A gap in the fossil record!? Creation must be true!!"
Sorry. But anyway, Claudiosaurus germaini looks vaguely like and ichthyosaur.
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Projects Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates Last one crawling: The last arthropod
ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)
Potential ideas- Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized. Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal. Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.
Quotes "Arthropod respiratory systems aren't really "inefficient", they're just better suited to their body size. It would be quite inefficient for a tiny creature that can easily get all the oxygen it needs through passive diffusion to have a respiratory system that wastes energy on muscles that pump air into sacs. (Hence why lungless salamanders, uniquely miniscule and hyperabundant tetrapods, have ditched their lungs in favor of breathing with their skin and buccal mucous membranes.) But large, active insects already use muscles to pump air in and out of their spiracles, and I don't see why their tracheae couldn't develop pseudo- lungs if other conditions pressured them to grow larger."-HangingTheif
"Considering the lifespans of modern non- insect arthropods (decade-old old millipedes, 50 year old tarantulas, 100+ year old lobsters) I wouldn't be surprised if Arthropleura had a lifespan exceeding that of a large testudine"-HangingTheif
"Humans have a tribal mindset and it's not alien for tribes to war on each other. I mean, look at the atrocities chimpanzee tribes do to each other. Most of people's groupings and big conflicts in history are directly or obliquely manifestations of this tribal mindset."-Sceynyos-yis
"He's the leader of the bunch You know his Coconut Gun is finally back to fire in spurts. His Coconut Gun Can make you smile If he shoots ya it's firing in spurts. His Coconut Gun Is bigger, faster, stronger too! He's the gun member of the Coconut Crew! HUH!
C.G.! Coconut Gun! C.G.! Co-Coconut Gun! Shoot yourself with a Coconut Gun! HUH!"-Kamineigh
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"In Summary: Piss on Lovecraft's racist grave by making lewds of Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep.
Then eat arby's and embrace the void."-Kamineigh
"Dougal Dixon rule 34."-Sayornis
Phylogeny of the arthropods and some related groups
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Feb 27 2017, 07:15 AM
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Sorry. But anyway, Claudiosaurus germaini looks vaguely like and ichthyosaur. Perhaps, but phylogenetic analyses have yet to recover it in any meaningful position relative to ichthyosauromorphs. As a basal neodiapsid itself, it could possibly represent what the ancestral icthyosauromorph stock looked like, if it itself isn't necessarily a close relation.
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Interesting. Anyway, back to making conspiracy theories valid biological facts.
Humans aren't primates, but actually very derived theropod dinosaurs.
Nanotyrannus is not only real, but the most powerful animal ever. It could eat a blue whale, t rex, and elephant at the same time.
Dragonthunders isn't human, but an actual photosynthetic archosaur that evolved during the mid triassic.
All the cells in multicellular life are actually seperate organisms and can leave anytime they want.
Whale birds existed during the cretacous. There is no fossils because they where all abducted by aliens.
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Projects Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates Last one crawling: The last arthropod
ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)
Potential ideas- Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized. Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal. Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.
Quotes "Arthropod respiratory systems aren't really "inefficient", they're just better suited to their body size. It would be quite inefficient for a tiny creature that can easily get all the oxygen it needs through passive diffusion to have a respiratory system that wastes energy on muscles that pump air into sacs. (Hence why lungless salamanders, uniquely miniscule and hyperabundant tetrapods, have ditched their lungs in favor of breathing with their skin and buccal mucous membranes.) But large, active insects already use muscles to pump air in and out of their spiracles, and I don't see why their tracheae couldn't develop pseudo- lungs if other conditions pressured them to grow larger."-HangingTheif
"Considering the lifespans of modern non- insect arthropods (decade-old old millipedes, 50 year old tarantulas, 100+ year old lobsters) I wouldn't be surprised if Arthropleura had a lifespan exceeding that of a large testudine"-HangingTheif
"Humans have a tribal mindset and it's not alien for tribes to war on each other. I mean, look at the atrocities chimpanzee tribes do to each other. Most of people's groupings and big conflicts in history are directly or obliquely manifestations of this tribal mindset."-Sceynyos-yis
"He's the leader of the bunch You know his Coconut Gun is finally back to fire in spurts. His Coconut Gun Can make you smile If he shoots ya it's firing in spurts. His Coconut Gun Is bigger, faster, stronger too! He's the gun member of the Coconut Crew! HUH!
C.G.! Coconut Gun! C.G.! Co-Coconut Gun! Shoot yourself with a Coconut Gun! HUH!"-Kamineigh
"RIP, rest in Peytoia."-Little
"In Summary: Piss on Lovecraft's racist grave by making lewds of Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep.
Then eat arby's and embrace the void."-Kamineigh
"Dougal Dixon rule 34."-Sayornis
Phylogeny of the arthropods and some related groups
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Mar 4 2017, 10:39 PM
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Hummingbirds are members of the monitor lizard family, like snakes and komodo monitors and mosasaurs. (have you never seen a hummingbird's forked tongue?)
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.---------------------------------------------. Parts of the Cluster Worlds: "Marsupialless Australia" (what-if) & "Out on a Branch" (future evolution) & "The Earth under a still sun" (WIP)
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Mar 7 2017, 12:41 AM
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First off, this is a magnificent, and magnificently deranged, thread.
Secondly, the biggest biological plot twist is simple: dog genetic variability and physical changes are researched, and it is revealed that all life is, in fact, just a really weird looking dog. Crossbreeds abound in this new, more horrible age...
The Doggonozoic.
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Mar 11 2017, 12:33 AM
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All vertebrate subclades do not exist. They are merely artifacts of sampling bias. Vertebrata is just one homogenized class.
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Projects Punga: A terraformed world with no vertebrates Last one crawling: The last arthropod
ARTH-6810: A world without vertebrates (It's ded, but you can still read I guess)
Potential ideas- Swamp world: A world covered in lakes, with the largest being caspian sized. Nematozoic: After a mass extinction of ultimate proportions, a single species of nematode is the only surviving animal. Tri-devonian: A devonian like ecosystem with holocene species on three different continents.
Quotes "Arthropod respiratory systems aren't really "inefficient", they're just better suited to their body size. It would be quite inefficient for a tiny creature that can easily get all the oxygen it needs through passive diffusion to have a respiratory system that wastes energy on muscles that pump air into sacs. (Hence why lungless salamanders, uniquely miniscule and hyperabundant tetrapods, have ditched their lungs in favor of breathing with their skin and buccal mucous membranes.) But large, active insects already use muscles to pump air in and out of their spiracles, and I don't see why their tracheae couldn't develop pseudo- lungs if other conditions pressured them to grow larger."-HangingTheif
"Considering the lifespans of modern non- insect arthropods (decade-old old millipedes, 50 year old tarantulas, 100+ year old lobsters) I wouldn't be surprised if Arthropleura had a lifespan exceeding that of a large testudine"-HangingTheif
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Then eat arby's and embrace the void."-Kamineigh
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Phylogeny of the arthropods and some related groups
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Mar 11 2017, 01:46 AM
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aphids are, in fact, ants.
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.---------------------------------------------. Parts of the Cluster Worlds: "Marsupialless Australia" (what-if) & "Out on a Branch" (future evolution) & "The Earth under a still sun" (WIP)
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Mar 24 2017, 08:13 PM
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-The first amniotes were shell-less turtles, which evolved from basal frogs.
-Amniota is polyphyletic. Synapsids and Sauropsids evolved from separate Amphibian lineages.
-Every synapsid with the exception of Mammaliaformes reproduced via frogspawn which was just a little bit more watertight than the eggs of modern lissamphibians, and was kept moist by urine, sweat, and later, milk. Only Mammaliaform Cynodonts developed a Platypus-like amniotic egg.
-Mesosaurus is more closely related to Synapsids than to Sauropsids.
-Turtles are more basal amniotes than either Synapsids or Sauropsids.
-Squamates didn't develop from Diapsids, but from very basal Synapsids.
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Mar 24 2017, 08:53 PM
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— Theropoda and Ornithischia are actually sister groups, to the exclusion of Sauropodomorpha and destroying our traditional concept of dinosaurs as Saurischia + Ornithischia, throwing our cladistic definitions into turmoil and overturning over 100 years of traditional, well-known and deeply rooted classification conventions.
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