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I have a dream . . .; . . .and its called Sagan 4
Topic Started: Oct 18 2008, 03:25 PM (1,342 Views)
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Some of you may say " Why join Sagan 4? Its not scientific enough" but if everyone said that then guess what no one that knows better would join! So please people if you know real science then we need you! Just because it has things that did not make sense in the beginning doesn't mean you can't help fix to make sense for the future. When i started Sagan 4 2 years ago I have no idea what i was doing and it was basically an experiment that was suppose to last a month, if that. Basiclly the project itself has evolved into what it is today. And the reason it has lasted so long is because of the people who helped make it.

However since the release of Spore participation has dropped. Which is why i am posting here. Because you guys are enthusiastic about biology and science. The people we need. So please join or even re-join if you have left. I would also like to have some "BS" checkers if anyone wants to help. We use to have some back in the old days who would look over species to make sure they made evolutionary sense. But eventually they left and it was only up to me to check.

This lead to me letting people in who did not always know their biology. Thus it was either i let the project die with only me participating or open it up to those who did not know better. Sure over time their art and biological skills got better but not without causing the past of Sagan 4 to have species that did not always make sense.

In short don't judge Sagan 4 on how accurate it is, but judge it on how it has evolved and matured as a project. No other speculative evolution project out there will have the amount of content this has even Dougal Dixon, Nemo Ramjet and Wayne Barlowe's world have only a fraction of the species Sagan 4 has. The only thing i can think of that has more species is Spore and that's because its a full blown computer game and has evolution that makes even less sense than Sagan 4. But the difference between Spore and Sagan 4 is, you can help it become more realistic.

My dream is to have an extremely diverse planet that has species that make sense and origins from a single species. Please help make this dream a reality.

Sagan 4
http://sagan4.com

Sagan 4 Forum
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php

Sagan 4 Wiki
http://wiki.mydigiview.com
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This is kind of inappropriate considering this forum is for commentary on this site and any sort of advertisement like this is prohibited.
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You advertise on Sagan 4 all the time. Plus we are affiliates with this site. Whats the difference?
Edited by Hydromancerx, Oct 18 2008, 05:37 PM.
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Hydromancerx
Oct 18 2008, 05:36 PM
You advertise on Sagan 4 all the time. Plus we are affiliates with this site. Whats the difference?
I advertise in a section that is for links to other speculative biology related sites. This forum is for discussion of this site only. If you want to advertise Sagan IV, do so in the exobiology forum. Which is why I am going to move it immediately after your next post.
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One thing is that organisms don't make sense. Some are too Earth like, others are just odd. They're also too different from each other. Instead of making random organisms, come up with domains, kingdoms,phylums,classes,orders,families,genuses, and species. Make them have things in common. Ask Nemo Ramjet if you can, for some advice.



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Oct 18 2008, 06:20 PM
One thing is that organisms don't make sense. Some are too Earth like, others are just odd. They're also too different from each other. Instead of making random organisms, come up with domains, kingdoms,phylums,classes,orders,families,genuses, and species. Make them have things in common. Ask Nemo Ramjet if you can, for some advice.
You can see how they progress in our taxonomy. I have cladograms for each family tree. They should make sense.

Taxonomy
http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Taxonomy

It wasn't like we just made them up out of nowehere. Each species was made from the one before it. Use the "Ancestor of" or "Descendant of" Nav links to see how they evolved.

Origin Species - Protosagania
http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Protosagania

Also could you give some examples of which are too diffrent from each other? And why you think they don't make sense?

Also you can see out taxonomy lists with domain, kingdom, phylum, etc.

Domain Eukaryota
http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Eukaryota

We would have more filled in but Ichthyostega has not filled in the rest. He is in charge of taxonomy.
Edited by Hydromancerx, Oct 18 2008, 08:49 PM.
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I <3 Sagan 4, and would like to add stuff to it. >.> I'm just a dork and feel like my ideas are redonk.
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I think the problem is that the animals are all too similar. Despite the fact that they all evolved from a common ancestor, why would they all suddenly converge on a multicellular, mobile heterotrophic form when there were already ones out there without extreme competition. On earth, we don't have multiple taxa of "vertebrates" descended from things like echinoderms and annelids in addition to protochordates, if there were, only one lineage would survive.

Also, your "cladograms" are a bit too general. There's too many polychotomies. If you're going to be specific as to how organisms are related, you might as well use dichotomous branching; get the smallest amount of sister taxa together without having none. That is one thing that defines a cladogram.
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Oh wow I completely missed those, I'm sorry. Although some species are bit wacky, the simpler organisms make more sense and are better .



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Oct 19 2008, 01:53 PM
Oh wow I completely missed those, I'm sorry. Although some species are bit wacky, the simpler organisms make more sense and are better .
Yeah. The reason not everything looks the same is because of the surviving lineages. I would suspect if most of the species during the Cambrian explosion did not die out we would have many more diverse lineages on the same planet.
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Oct 19 2008, 01:53 PM
I think the problem is that the animals are all too similar. Despite the fact that they all evolved from a common ancestor, why would they all suddenly converge on a multicellular, mobile heterotrophic form when there were already ones out there without extreme competition. On earth, we don't have multiple taxa of "vertebrates" descended from things like echinoderms and annelids in addition to protochordates, if there were, only one lineage would survive.

Also, your "cladograms" are a bit too general. There's too many polychotomies. If you're going to be specific as to how organisms are related, you might as well use dichotomous branching; get the smallest amount of sister taxa together without having none. That is one thing that defines a cladogram.
You have to remember this was made to be a GAME. In the rules of the original game is you evolve one species from another. Sure they could have hybrids but that was about it. Its very simplified and is limited to no evolving with other species during the same generation. Each generation is approx. 1.75 Million years. It use to be a lot more in the early stages but we have leveled at at 12.5 million year periods.

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I <3 Sagan 4, and would like to add stuff to it. >.> I'm just a dork and feel like my ideas are redonk.


We would love to hear your ideas you can post them here ...

Sagan 4 Idea Thread
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=1078.0

We also can help if you need to improve your art skills

Need a better Art Program?
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=4.0

And if you suck at both, well we could still use your help with the wiki. We have a step by step tutorial on how to upload our approved species to Sagan 4 wiki.

Can't Draw but want to Help?
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=3144.0
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I would love to help, but due to a lack of drawing skills, a scanner and trust of image sharing sites I can't
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I would like to help, but, despite the fact that i'm kind of good at drawing, my coloring skills are awful.
http://spidervenom022.deviantart.com

Go in there for some odd stuff that could make you puke, and ask for some free sketches. :)
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have you heard of a program called gimp?
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Oct 21 2008, 04:55 PM
have you heard of a program called gimp?
Perhaps, i'll try.
Because, i want my coloring looking like this:
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/666/666585/marvel-zombies-20051114024145364-000.jpg

So, i don't know if GIMP can do that for my art.
But, well, i'll try to use it.
http://spidervenom022.deviantart.com

Go in there for some odd stuff that could make you puke, and ask for some free sketches. :)
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