Terror Birds

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Terror Birds; Phorusracids, back in the future?
Topic Started: Sep 11 2008, 07:27 AM (3,947 Views)
Spartan Delta	Sep 11 2008, 07:27 AM Post #1
Infant Posts: 93 Group: Members Member #76 Joined: Sep 10, 2008 Gender: Private	Um, I should ask... ...Aside from "the Future is Wild", are there any other chances of the Phorusracids re-evolving?

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Carlos	Sep 13 2008, 12:46 PM Post #16
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Caracaras are really just a primitive linage of falcons, whose ancestors probably diverged before the evolution of fast aerial forms. I think Darren Nash once suggested that caracaras and falcons actualy belong to a south american linage of birds, which also includes seriemas, hoatzins, terror birds, new world vultures and turacos; that makes sense, since not only falconids don't seem to be truly related to other birds of prey, but they also appeared in South America/Africa and later spread across the world. Of course, this theory doesn't seem so likely any more, as most of the birds said to belong to this south american clade are actually hardly related to each other. Falcons, though still remain too different from the other diurnal birds of prey to be classified in the same order as them.
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Giant Blue Anteater	Sep 13 2008, 01:39 PM Post #17
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Spartan Delta	Sep 20 2008, 12:12 PM Post #18
Infant Posts: 93 Group: Members Member #76 Joined: Sep 10, 2008 Gender: Private	Yeah. I'm just wondering if we'd ever see a re-evolved dromaeosaur, because these phorusracids seem to have many of the basic blueprints.



Carlos	Sep 20 2008, 12:21 PM Post #19
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	No, because the avian beak cannot be lost, nor can the bony tail redevelop; naturally, neither of this wouldn't reevolve in a bird, but with genetic manipulation... However, avancna did on Deviant Art designs of flying lizards with feather like scales that resemble early flying/gliding dromeosaurids like Rahonavis. Since those belong to Tlanaquaru (a planet he made up; animals there evolved in a way that they resemble Earth's ones), however, I don't know if flying lizards could evolve on Earth Edited by Carlos, Sep 20 2008, 12:21 PM.
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leptonosoma	Sep 20 2008, 02:44 PM Post #20
Official Timette Posts: 441 Group: Members Member #63 Joined: Aug 22, 2008 Gender: Female	Spartan Delta Sep 11 2008, 07:27 AM Um, I should ask... ...Aside from "the Future is Wild", are there any other chances of the Phorusracids re-evolving? Maybe not the Phorusracids specifically, but yes, some birds can evolve parallel to their lifestyle and anatomy. I have several on my website.
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Vultur-10	Sep 20 2008, 06:09 PM Post #21
Posts: 639 Group: Away Staff Member #72 Joined: Sep 3, 2008 Gender: Male	A carnivorous parrot would be scary, and is definitely possible. The Kea is already most of the way there - it's an omnivore, but will attack fairly large animals (including, occasionally, sheep!) It's a vulnerable species, so it might not have descendants, but another might evolve... Also, if a Kea-analogue evolved from something like an African Gray, it might become very, very intelligent... Sapient terror birds?



The Chieftain	Sep 21 2008, 06:08 AM Post #22
Infant Posts: 130 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: Sep 14, 2008 Nationality: English	Spaient terror bird = terrifying. But do the parrots have enough intelligence to become sapient?



Black_Panther	Sep 21 2008, 04:21 PM Post #23
Adolescent Posts: 472 Group: Members Member #56 Joined: Aug 17, 2008 Gender: Private Nationality: Mexico	The Chieftain Sep 21 2008, 06:08 AM Spaient terror bird = terrifying. But do the parrots have enough intelligence to become sapient? It's either them or crows. I remember the Crow (corvus corax) being called the most intelligent bird actually. Sapient, phorusracid-like crows are actually terryfing. Perhaps parrots will turn into massive, titanis-like birds while Crows turn into secretary bird-like forms? Anyway, a sapient terror bird descendant from crows or parrots will be a really terrifying sight to behold. Imagine them hunting in packs...
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Carlos	Sep 21 2008, 04:52 PM Post #24
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	I'm not afraid of birds actually. I know I should, but birds and mammals can't scare me. A feather-less dinosaur, on the other hand...
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ATEK Azul	Sep 21 2008, 06:47 PM Post #25
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Cynovolans	Sep 21 2008, 08:16 PM Post #26
Servant to Empress Min Posts: 1,170 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: Jun 30, 2008 Favorite Quote: "Where is the queen? Point the queen out to us!"-Myeonseong's murderers	Ostriches wouldn't make great hunters. Their beak can't be used as an extremely deadly weapon unless you just let it peck you to death, and their legs are not that good at stomping their prey to death.
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leptonosoma	Sep 21 2008, 10:59 PM Post #27
Official Timette Posts: 441 Group: Members Member #63 Joined: Aug 22, 2008 Gender: Female	JohnFaa Sep 21 2008, 04:52 PM I'm not afraid of birds actually. I know I should, but birds and mammals can't scare me. A feather-less dinosaur, on the other hand... Shoot! Some of my flightless predatory birds on my site even scare me, and I drew them!
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truteal	Sep 22 2008, 04:56 AM Post #28
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Carlos	Sep 22 2008, 05:12 AM Post #29
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	No offense, but thats completly stupid. Specially because birds usually can only move their wings up and down, not to the front nor to the back, like it would be required
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Spartan Delta	Sep 22 2008, 10:37 AM Post #30
Infant Posts: 93 Group: Members Member #76 Joined: Sep 10, 2008 Gender: Private	I was actually referring to "the claw". The beak's pretty much stuck, but what about the killer foot claw?



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